Pages:
Author

Topic: [CLOSED][Hosted-Mining] Overview & Speculation Thread (Read 2454 times)

legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1000
UPDATE: 8.29 02:18 EST

Trading is closed and the buyback is complete.

Thank you everyone for your support. We are sorry we were not able to make this happen.

HOSTED-MINING

Try listing on Bitfunder instead.

BTCT is the kiddy exchange and the kids are exhausted from the Garden/LagCoin debacles.

In contrast, ice.drill raised millions on Bitfunder.  Go Pro or go home!
Good idea!
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
UPDATE: 8.29 02:18 EST

Trading is closed and the buyback is complete.

Thank you everyone for your support. We are sorry we were not able to make this happen.

HOSTED-MINING

Try listing on Bitfunder instead.

BTCT is the kiddy exchange and the kids are exhausted from the Garden/LagCoin debacles.

In contrast, ice.drill raised millions on Bitfunder.  Go Pro or go home!
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
UPDATE: 8.29 02:18 EST

Trading is closed and the buyback is complete.

Thank you everyone for your support. We are sorry we were not able to make this happen.

HOSTED-MINING
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
Thank you for your frank appraisal. I agree your revised outlook is likely more accurate, but makes the OP seem rather dated. If you anticipate continued network expansion at a rate near 100%/month and re-targets below 12days, then you should really update the OP to reflect this rather than the 2.5%/day and 12day re-targets.

Cheers.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Hi KCBitcoin. You seem to be better equipped to answer specific questions than zif33rs. While this may come off as a slam to your CEO, I consider this to be a positive for the company's potential as no one person can be effective at everything and the ability to overcome one's ego and delegate responsibility to those that are more effective at a specific task is a vital trait for an effective leader to possess.

While I'm not going to go over your spreadsheet and check your maths and whatnot as I don't have the time & likely wouldn't spend it on this if I did, I do have a couple of questions.

First, are you aware that difficulty re-targets are NOT set to 12days or any other fixed number of days? That instead this occurs more frequently as network expansion accelerates and less frequently as expansion slows or contracts? Currently re-targets are occurring less than every 11days and the trend is quickening...not slowing.

Secondly, how did you arrive at your estimates of +30%/12 days in 2013 and +15%/12 days in 2014? Given that the same company you're intending to contract to provide this hashrate has said they'd make available 1Ph/s(1000Th/s) contracts in October of this year, what makes you think that a 2.5%/day estimate is high enough? This is obviously far more important than your estimates for 2014 as you MUST make back the bulk of your investment in late 2013. This seems unlikely if even one of these 1000Th's contracts is sold as this would constitute a nearly 200% increase in network expansion as it stands right now. Is there any reason to believe that Alydian is not negotiating with many other potential clients even now to devalue the contract you've not yet signed?

Cheers.

Hi creativex,

Thanks for your kind words towards our CEO and me. I greatly appreciated.

The 12 day retarget date is an assumption I made for my mathematical model(as stated in the first few rows of the spreadsheet). Actually, the retarget date has been floating between 11 to 12 days.
If the calculation really goes with 11 days, we will ask for a lower price from the vendor.
If a deal cannot be profitable based on a moderate estimation, we will not going to sign any contract.

With regard to your statement on the difficulty increase, I wouldn't be surprised if Alydian actually roll out another 1PT in October.
According to http://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate, the network hashrate has been approximately doubling every month.
We now have 550-600T in late August, I wouldn't be surprised, if in late October, it becomes 2.2-2.4PT.
If Alydian really rolls out 1PT in October, we still need ~1PT from other suppliers to keep up with this increasing rate.
Let's just HOPE all other suppliers will meet their delivery date and roll out this 1PT by October.

Not to mention that, Alydian actually list a range from 100 to 1000TH by October, which means even they are not sure about the market.
I think talking about a more precise prediction without a better mathematical model wouldn't make too much sense now.
But I think I've made my point.

WRT the pricing, our CEO has lived a life on contract negotiating and selling. I'm confident that he will be able to further negotiate a lower price once we get fully funded.

BR
KC
hero member
Activity: 887
Merit: 1000
How long will this IPO go before throwing in the towel? Doesn't seem to be much interest.  Undecided
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
Hi KCBitcoin. You seem to be better equipped to answer specific questions than zif33rs. While this may come off as a slam to your CEO, I consider this to be a positive for the company's potential as no one person can be effective at everything and the ability to overcome one's ego and delegate responsibility to those that are more effective at a specific task is a vital trait for an effective leader to possess.

While I'm not going to go over your spreadsheet and check your maths and whatnot as I don't have the time & likely wouldn't spend it on this if I did, I do have a couple of questions.

First, are you aware that difficulty re-targets are NOT set to 12days or any other fixed number of days? That instead this occurs more frequently as network expansion accelerates and less frequently as expansion slows or contracts? Currently re-targets are occurring less than every 11days and the trend is quickening...not slowing.

Secondly, how did you arrive at your estimates of +30%/12 days in 2013 and +15%/12 days in 2014? Given that the same company you're intending to contract to provide this hashrate has said they'd make available 1Ph/s(1000Th/s) contracts in October of this year, what makes you think that a 2.5%/day estimate is high enough? This is obviously far more important than your estimates for 2014 as you MUST make back the bulk of your investment in late 2013. This seems unlikely if even one of these 1000Th's contracts is sold as this would constitute a nearly 200% increase in network expansion as it stands right now. Is there any reason to believe that Alydian is not negotiating with many other potential clients even now to devalue the contract you've not yet signed?

Cheers.
member
Activity: 210
Merit: 10
Because all these unqualified charlatans will bring bad publicity to the bitcoin ipo space. So we need more scams in the news? Pirate caused enough issues. We need to be doing due diligence on these people who are asking for millions. This guy hasn't stood up to a few questions and the CEO admitted he didn't know what he was doing.

I advised the CFO to reach out to established forum members, I mentioned creativex who is an astounding manager. All the CEO tried to do was argue back about how it was such a great deal. But it's all secret squirrel. Now this joker is here saying he is the CFO. I want to know what makes him qualified.

If I am wrong and they can answer my questions and convince me the company is sound I will invest. But they won't as these are a couple of kids who want to jump on the gravy train with no experience.

Again creativex and basic mining....could you stop being a troll here, there are a lot of young people can do create stuff,  think about friedcat and Yifu Guo, if you don't believe it just don't buy, your intention is too obvious.

Do you think it's ok for bad investments to take funds out of the economy? I don't I'm not trolling. This is going to fail, due to poor staff and massive numbers. It's insulting to intelligent people who read this ipo.
+1. this IPO is a joke.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do
Because all these unqualified charlatans will bring bad publicity to the bitcoin ipo space. So we need more scams in the news? Pirate caused enough issues. We need to be doing due diligence on these people who are asking for millions. This guy hasn't stood up to a few questions and the CEO admitted he didn't know what he was doing.

I advised the CFO to reach out to established forum members, I mentioned creativex who is an astounding manager. All the CEO tried to do was argue back about how it was such a great deal. But it's all secret squirrel. Now this joker is here saying he is the CFO. I want to know what makes him qualified.

If I am wrong and they can answer my questions and convince me the company is sound I will invest. But they won't as these are a couple of kids who want to jump on the gravy train with no experience.

Again creativex and basic mining....could you stop being a troll here, there are a lot of young people can do create stuff,  think about friedcat and Yifu Guo, if you don't believe it just don't buy, your intention is too obvious.

Do you think it's ok for bad investments to take funds out of the economy? I don't I'm not trolling. This is going to fail, due to poor staff and massive numbers. It's insulting to intelligent people who read this ipo.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
What ASIC hardware is Alydian running?

Is this where the stolen Avalon chips went?
The manufacture information is not provided to us on the contract.

But we highly doubt this is from the stolen Avalon chips, since Alydian is run by the Chairman of Bitcoin Foundation, which also involves the CEO of Mt. Gox and CEO of BitInstant.

We have trust in them.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
Because all these unqualified charlatans will bring bad publicity to the bitcoin ipo space. So we need more scams in the news? Pirate caused enough issues. We need to be doing due diligence on these people who are asking for millions. This guy hasn't stood up to a few questions and the CEO admitted he didn't know what he was doing.

I advised the CFO to reach out to established forum members, I mentioned creativex who is an astounding manager. All the CEO tried to do was argue back about how it was such a great deal. But it's all secret squirrel. Now this joker is here saying he is the CFO. I want to know what makes him qualified.

If I am wrong and they can answer my questions and convince me the company is sound I will invest. But they won't as these are a couple of kids who want to jump on the gravy train with no experience.
Hi TMAN,

Our CEO has been mining since late 2012, and has a well established customer base on our website: https://www.hostedmining.com
He is well experienced in maintaining mining hardware, overclocking, building custom mining equipment, dealing with heat issues and etc.

One thing he is not good at is financing.
He had a time-limited offer but lacked necessary financial/marketing knowledge to raise enough money in a short time frame.
Thats why I decided to help.

My title can either be CFO or executive assistant, whichever he names me. I don't think that really matters.
The real thing that matters is our company is looking forward and acquired the necessary employees to meet our growth.

Our team has sorted out this new thread for you to have a better understanding of our company and business.

BR.
KC
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
What ASIC hardware is Alydian running?

Is this where the stolen Avalon chips went?
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
Because all these unqualified charlatans will bring bad publicity to the bitcoin ipo space. So we need more scams in the news? Pirate caused enough issues. We need to be doing due diligence on these people who are asking for millions. This guy hasn't stood up to a few questions and the CEO admitted he didn't know what he was doing.

I advised the CFO to reach out to established forum members, I mentioned creativex who is an astounding manager. All the CEO tried to do was argue back about how it was such a great deal. But it's all secret squirrel. Now this joker is here saying he is the CFO. I want to know what makes him qualified.

If I am wrong and they can answer my questions and convince me the company is sound I will invest. But they won't as these are a couple of kids who want to jump on the gravy train with no experience.

Again creativex and basic mining....could you stop being a troll here, there are a lot of young people can do create stuff,  think about friedcat and Yifu Guo, if you don't believe it just don't buy, your intention is too obvious.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do
Because all these unqualified charlatans will bring bad publicity to the bitcoin ipo space. So we need more scams in the news? Pirate caused enough issues. We need to be doing due diligence on these people who are asking for millions. This guy hasn't stood up to a few questions and the CEO admitted he didn't know what he was doing.

I advised the CFO to reach out to established forum members, I mentioned creativex who is an astounding manager. All the CEO tried to do was argue back about how it was such a great deal. But it's all secret squirrel. Now this joker is here saying he is the CFO. I want to know what makes him qualified.

If I am wrong and they can answer my questions and convince me the company is sound I will invest. But they won't as these are a couple of kids who want to jump on the gravy train with no experience.
N_S
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
No experience then. Just that you are confident.

This whole ipo is a joke. You kids are just jumping on board the gravy train. You have been on this forum a month, and you suddenly think through a few PM's with the CEO you are qualified to be the CFO of a proposed multi million dollar company, don't make me laugh

Members please be aware these guys are jokers. You will lose your coins through incompetence. This is a couple of kids trying to fudge a clusterfuck of an ipo back together.

Why are you upset?
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do
No experience then. Just that you are confident.

This whole ipo is a joke. You kids are just jumping on board the gravy train. You have been on this forum a month, and you suddenly think through a few PM's with the CEO you are qualified to be the CFO of a proposed multi million dollar company, don't make me laugh

Members please be aware these guys are jokers. You will lose your coins through incompetence. This is a couple of kids trying to fudge a clusterfuck of an ipo back together.
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1808
Exchange Bitcoin quickly-https://blockchain.com.do
So you miss my important question, not 10 days ago you were putting questions about this company. Now suddenly you are the CFO. What experience do you have?  

It seems to me you have just been picked as the CEO installs no faith and struggles with numbers.

I need prof, IE linked in or references proving that you are qualified as CFO of a multimillion company. If you have no experiences. What are your qualifications? Why should we trust you with the money.

What is the USD rate on the contract? I want the figure per GH in USD please
sr. member
Activity: 251
Merit: 250
im in lets do this Smiley
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
You don't anticipate problems converting the BTC to USD in a timely manner? 
Hi cw92,

We can pay this deal using Bitcoins.

KC
member
Activity: 66
Merit: 10
You don't anticipate problems converting the BTC to USD in a timely manner? 
Pages:
Jump to: