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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on May 31, 2020, 11:45:20 AM

You are always better off just buying and holding bitcoin for the long term. Just stay away from the cloud mining contracts. The companies are in business to make a profit for themselves, not the investors.

I agree with your opinion, you will have no issue or problems holding Bitcoin, these cloud minings are suspects because they cannot sustain mining at this point in time after the halving, some small miners are already selling their mining rigs a clear sign that mining is not for everybody and that includes cloud mining which is actually Ponzi scheme.

If they do some research regarding on how those mining things works for sure they will be turned of for the returns given from this business option and for investment for sure it will give the same reaction since how could the cloudmining earn while the real one cannot even get a profit for their rigs so by this is a clear sign that people should avoid cloudmining since they are running a ponzi scheme system where for sure they will turn scam. I would rather buy bitcoins and hold since it will give more better result than investing at this type of bad option.

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Quote from: danieleither on May 31, 2020, 11:31:49 AM

Can someone help me understand the point of cloud-mining and why anyone would buy a cloud-mining contract? For every one I've looked at, the cost of the contract far outweighs the amount of bitcoin that would be mined, so why do people buy these contracts?

most people usually don't want to financially commit to a profitable mining setup. 'cloud mining,' as it is nowadays is attractive for people new to the cryptocurrency scene as it appeals as 'free money.' however, as they are new, they're usually unaware of the prevalence of pyramid schemes related to cryptocurrencies.

Quote from: danieleither on May 31, 2020, 11:31:49 AM

The only way I can see it 'could' be beneficial is if you purchased a contract some time in the future at a fixed price, and by the time your mining contract begins the value of bitcoin has risen significantly and outweighs the cost of the contract - or is that the point, like some sort of gamble?

i've said this many times before in other threads: there is no reason for a business to sell you their resources at a loss. you are not making money off of this, they are. on the chance there was a cloud mining op that was legitimate, they would have zero reason to help out a consumer make money when they could be using the hardware to make more money; hence by selling you this service, they ultimately make money off of the consumer.

cloud mining hasn't been legit since cex.io anyways. i'm more than comfortable labeling any recent cloud mining op that pops up as a scam with cursory examination.

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Quote from: BitcoinNewsMagazine on May 31, 2020, 11:45:20 AM

You are always better off just buying and holding bitcoin for the long term. Just stay away from the cloud mining contracts. The companies are in business to make a profit for themselves, not the investors.

I agree with your opinion, you will have no issue or problems holding Bitcoin, these cloud minings are suspects because they cannot sustain mining at this point in time after the halving, some small miners are already selling their mining rigs a clear sign that mining is not for everybody and that includes cloud mining which is actually Ponzi scheme.

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Quote from: danieleither on May 31, 2020, 11:31:49 AM

Can someone help me understand the point of cloud-mining and why anyone would buy a cloud-mining contract? For every one I've looked at, the cost of the contract far outweighs the amount of bitcoin that would be mined, so why do people buy these contracts?

The only way I can see it 'could' be beneficial is if you purchased a contract some time in the future at a fixed price, and by the time your mining contract begins the value of bitcoin has risen significantly and outweighs the cost of the contract - or is that the point, like some sort of gamble?

Cloud mining is a thing of the past, don't anyone fool you even if they promised you high interest or profit, they cannot sustain, in fact many small time miners are selling their mining rigs because they cannot keep up anymore, you are better buying Bitcoins and other mine able coins, in two years time there will no cloud mining site, because it's not going to be profitable it's more of a Ponzi scheme

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Stay away from cloud mining because that is not recommended way to make money or earn bitcoin reward. We don't know how long the company will stay online or exist, but you will not make a profit even if you can, you need to wait for a long time before you can get break even. If you have a lot of money, and you have low electricity fee, you can start on your own, so you can know how long you can make a profit.

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when people think of ways to increase their bitcoin and then investigate the various ways to increase their bitcoin they are faced with options such as:

1 - make trade (something risky that can make them lose money and forces people to spend many hours on the computer)

2 - Hold will only have the same amount of bitcoin, but may have more FIAT

3 - investing in altcoins, but they will also be taking great risks of losing many bitcoins

So they look at cloud mining as the perfect option because it is offering returns with no risk of reducing the bitcoin they are investing and without the risk of having to spend hours on the PC, cloud mining would in that case be the savior for many people... of course we know that the owners of cloud mining are basically the only ones who earn money and we also know that there are many HYIP/PONZI sites that disguise themselves as clooud mining, but for people who want to increase their bitcoins and are lazy will take the risk to use cloud mining sites

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Quote from: azarharus on June 04, 2020, 12:16:57 AM

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Quote from: danieleither on May 31, 2020, 11:31:49 AM

so why do people buy these contracts?

Mostly ignorance and their want to join the "crypto hype train". The same reason why people frequently get tricked into investment schemes. Even a quick Google search would immediately let them know how bad of an idea paying for cloud mining is.

Pretty much yeah.
OP suggested that people buying contracts because they expect price of bitcoin to go so up high that they're going to be in profit eventually.
But most of the time people sleep on doing math, relying on their expectations and assumptions

we all know that every bitcoiner expect a high price for btc but this isnt the main reason that someone pays for a cloudmining but because these people are lazy to run a mining on thier own , thats why they just pay for someone else to run it and get some comisions but cloudmining is also known to be one of the risky investment on this space . idk why its risky , because thier costumers are paying for the expense at the first place . if mining hardware wont run in the long run then why not they sell it and run another one

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Quote from: mk4 on May 31, 2020, 09:43:29 PM

Quote from: danieleither on May 31, 2020, 11:31:49 AM

so why do people buy these contracts?

Mostly ignorance and their want to join the "crypto hype train". The same reason why people frequently get tricked into investment schemes. Even a quick Google search would immediately let them know how bad of an idea paying for cloud mining is.

Pretty much yeah.
OP suggested that people buying contracts because they expect price of bitcoin to go so up high that they're going to be in profit eventually.
But most of the time people sleep on doing math, relying on their expectations and assumptions

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Quote from: danieleither on May 31, 2020, 11:31:49 AM

Can someone help me understand the point of cloud-mining and why anyone would buy a cloud-mining contract? For every one I've looked at, the cost of the contract far outweighs the amount of bitcoin that would be mined, so why do people buy these contracts?

The only way I can see it 'could' be beneficial is if you purchased a contract some time in the future at a fixed price, and by the time your mining contract begins the value of bitcoin has risen significantly and outweighs the cost of the contract - or is that the point, like some sort of gamble?

Just use the search bar and type cloudmining for sure you can see s many threads like this asking the legitimacy of those platform, Just avoid those kind of site sites theirs nothing gnna happen since its not beneficial at all the only thing you will gain is pure heartbreak since I'm sure after they collect the big amount target the error stuffs will starts and they will slowly leave their investors crying, so if you don't want to cry better leave and search for different realistic investment opportunity.

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isn't it obvious?
a miner has to buy the equipment, maintain them, tolerate the heat and the sound while running the equipment 24/7, pay the bills, and a lot more. meanwhile someone buying a cloudmining contract is doing nothing apart from clicking a button (to pay). so obviously people choose this since it is the easiest way without having any additional cost or effort.
but as others have already mentioned cloudmining has been a scam for a long time. so now it is just a bet that the gamblers make.

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Have you learn about cloud mining? If I were you, before I make a decision to spend money in anything place I'll check the place before I spend it, don't just take a decision from what othere people says and find some reviews against it, I mean, I'll consider an advantage and disadvantage of the place first. Like what I found in this thread, there are some bad opinion against cloud mining especially which end up in scam, you check them.

1. Cloud farm-mining.com website is a scam!
2. start-mining.com scam, don't join this scam website
3. Is HashFlare About to Exit Scam ?
4. Cryptominingfarm.io is a scam cloud mining site
5. Seedhash.com Scam - Cloudmining

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Quote from: Mighty_crypt on June 02, 2020, 01:53:31 AM

I used genesis cloud mining company in the past and after few weeks I stopped using due to few bad reviews about them, later genesis website stop working

Absolutely they are the Ponzi pyramid payout scheme. I heard about them before but I already fooled by this cloud mining investment (I forgot the name)so they will never fool me again. The money that you invested and paid for their contract will be paid back to you in a small amount daily as your payout and that is a drip-fed.

Instead of investing in paid contracts in cloud mining why not you didn't buy your own mining rigs and operate your own. And don't be fooled on the cloud mining companies without any proof of actually owning any hardware. Probably they also claiming mining equipment photos/images that they don't have.

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Cloud mining aren't real to begin with, every cloud mining company don't have real mining farm, they are just deceiving people, I used genesis cloud mining company in the past and after few weeks I stopped using due to few bad reviews about them, later genesis website stop working

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Quote from: danieleither on May 31, 2020, 11:31:49 AM

so why do people buy these contracts?

The only way I can see it 'could' be beneficial is if you purchased a contract some time in the future at a fixed price, and by the time your mining contract begins the value of bitcoin has risen significantly and outweighs the cost of the contract - or is that the point, like some sort of gamble?

Exactly...
You purchase those contracts because you think mining will be profitable in the future and you lack both the cheap energy and space or knowledge or time to set your own mining gear. Plus, lately, you can't buy new and performant gear for a few hundred $ you need a bit more, with contracts, it's more flexible.

And yeah, contracts are purchased on a fixed amount of time at a fixed price.

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Quote from: freedomgo on June 01, 2020, 03:03:15 AM

I don't know if there still a legit business now that offers cloud mining but in general, it has a very bad reputation, so stay away. Investing in bitcoin or other potential coins would be better than risking your money in cloud mining.

I have seen that Viabtc offers it but it says that it's sold out. You can calculate how much profit would be.
https://www.viabtc.com/contract/pricing

Although I'm going to hate myself for this in the morning, there is also bitdeer, the farm that is equipped and run by bitmain.
As much as I hate Bitmain in general it would be better if newbies would put their money here instead of other scams that are simply ponzi schemes.

Quote from: AmoreJaz on June 01, 2020, 04:43:20 PM

or use solar panels, it will incur heavy cost at the beginning but later on there's no more cost.

And what do you do at night?

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It good to be well informed things before ones totally get involve into it, I'm once a victim of hyip ponzi scheme and i can tell you from experienced that the only things which make people join cloud mining/hyip scheme are ignorance and greediness.
People who are not greed joined because they dont know what is it what while some people who have been warned about it still join because of the free money theh will make through it.

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Quote from: TeslaWatt.com on June 01, 2020, 06:21:19 AM

Even if the cloud mining is legit, I would vote for holding physical machines in some professional facility or at home. But if you have massive electrical charges, much better is to have your machines hosted at a professional facility. Check it in person if you can.

or use solar panels, it will incur heavy cost at the beginning but later on there's no more cost. been in cloud mining contracts before and guess what? as others have said stay away, better invest on your on own hardware equipment. if it is not profitable, you can stop but at least you have your equipment and you can resume anytime you want. even if the the cloud mining site is legit, you cant get your profit out of it, not even your initial investments.

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You have valid concerns about cloud mining and for me it's very strange that people still investing their hard earned into such schemes 2020.
99% of cloud mining websites is just ponzi schemes and they don't mine any crypto. Their contracts is terrible and you barely can reach ROI at the end of contract. These who are offering high returns - they just will turn into scam soon like every ponzi scheme and run away with your investment.
I think main problem is people ignorance about mining in general. They know almost nothing about it and they think that cloud mining is profitable and it's easy to earn money in this way. Unfortunately, they are completely wrong about it. And no matter how many warnings about cloud mining we will post, it's simply imposible to warn everyone about it.

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The first thing many newcomers ask is 'how do I start mining?' If they ask that they get told it's an impossibility for the average person.

Then they see cloud mining and think 'hey, this is where the real money is and I don't have to do any work. I can't believe more people aren't doing it. I've got one over on everyone else.'

They pour in and wind up with nothing. If they'd bothered to ask about cloud mining they would be told almost all of them are ponzis but many are not inclined to ask after the first time they're told where they're going wrong.

The people selling it know how that's how many a mind works and they certainly know how to exploit it.

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Quote from: TeslaWatt.com on June 01, 2020, 06:21:19 AM

Even if the cloud mining is legit, I would vote for holding physical machines in some professional facility or at home. But if you have massive electrical charges, much better is to have your machines hosted at a professional facility. Check it in person if you can.

It's also necessary to know how to set up the rig, knowledge is very important when running a mining farm, well, that's an advantage for those who have free or cheap electricity, and I would try to educate myself on how to run a mining farm if I have that kind of advantage.

Anyway, some people just looking for cloud mining or we can just call it as an investment as AFAIK, they just have to invest money and get a return on it on a regular basis, but as of now, there are only few legit cloud mining services in the crypto space.

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Even if the cloud mining is legit, I would vote for holding physical machines in some professional facility or at home. But if you have massive electrical charges, much better is to have your machines hosted at a professional facility. Check it in person if you can.

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