Topic: Cobra fights Jihan Wu, and scammers Roger Ver, and Craig Wright like #NO2X - page 2. (Read 2116 times)

The 'best' option is currently somewhat undeterminable in this regard.

The safest option (imho) would be to choose the Bitcoin Cøbra [#UANF] = User Activated No Fork  and then watch / wait for this to play out.

Replay protection in the new Bitcoin Cøbra (BCH) release should prevent people from actually losing coins in the potential chain-split between Bitcoin Cash ABC <> Bitcoin Cash nChain/Coingeek.

If you think hard forks are hectic and you have never experienced a chain-split before, well let me tell you, I have and it can be both extremely costly and also causes total and absolute chaos! Both short-term and long-term.

Imagine holding coins on a chain that will no longer sync with the 'main' network i.e. that you can no longer spend, because technically they no longer 'exist'. Saying that a blockchain splits is actually an under-statement of magnitude, they don't just split, they fully shatter.

- Do what thou wilt, but this is certainly not FUD.

- https://medium.com/@CobraBitcoin/announcing-cobra-client-a-safe-implementation-of-the-bitcoin-cash-protocol-and-november-hard-fork-334bc86ce32f

Well done Cobra! You have done a tremendous job to discover the real faces of scam sites which were coning general users and looted all their money. These sites should be banned immediately. BY this decision cobra has reduced the competition it was facing before.

It is a well generated strategy by Cobra as they were facing false competition for selling Bitcoin cash. The sites that were actually a scam is uncovered by Cobra and has been instructed to the users not to use those sites.

yawn, more social drama distractions.

craig and jihan and ver are NOT DVELOPERS. they are also if you follow the money actually part of the DCG.co (BSCARTEL) family that pay blockstream and bloq.

so its all one big social family drama of distractions.
cash was not created by ver. infact the fork occured due to the USAF part of the DCG family instigating a ban of nodes on the BTC network hours before BCH even existed (look at the blockheader data, (ledgers never lie))

meanwhile people stop looking at the shady developments going on inside BTC
but hey.. lets see all the finger pointing of social drama and ignore the important stuff like stiffling BTC's blockchain tech just to innovate commercial side services that are to become the fortknox of BTC. where the only cheap viable exit becomes a different altcoin. thus letting the "factories" keep the btc while people entr and exit LN via altcoins.  thus making people not want to use BTC

its mind blowing how people are easily pulled into the social drama and ignore the economical changes of what BTC has become
but enjoy your social drama's of talking about people that dont even code.. because that seems more important to you

Bitcoin Cash Drama: Battle Lines Drawn Ahead of Scheduled Hard Fork
- https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-cash-drama-battle-lines-drawn-ahead-of-scheduled-hard-fork

But it does not have to continue that way, that is why their community should come to terms with themselves that throwing Roger Ver and Craig Wright, who is a scammer, out of their community would be better for their community itself and the protocol.

Don't forget that Bitcoin Gold wasn't backed by people with vast influence. Many people got hyped because of GPU mining being brought back. And yet, as we have seen, it suffered from 51% attack and no one really cares about it anymore. I use Twitter only to follow people related to cryptocurrencies. I am surprised that there are still many "discussions" which are mostly focused on blaming the other side for the low price and adoption of the Bitcoin fork they support. Can't we just focus on introducing new improvements? I guess that Bitcoin Cash supporters are really bored since they can only see increasing blocksize while we are playing around with the Lightning Network.


Recently, a long discussion on this topic occurred. You can read it on Bitcoin.org github.

The problem with bcash is that they don't accept defeat but instead they are trying to take down bitcoin. Nobody had any problems with Bitcoin Gold or other fork coins. Bcash is the one which claimed to be the real bitcoin and tried to hijack the name.

Bitcoin got the hashpower, community support, company support (not all but majority and that's what counts) and everything. Yet, bcash fanboys, especially Vermin still tries to confuse people. When they address bcash they write Bitcoin (BCH) wtf is this? This is straight out scam. I never saw any Bitcoin Gold hodler saying Bitcoin (BTG), they know how ridiculous that is. Bcash fans are toxic, and they are no different than a no coiner. In fact they are worse.

If they weren't that toxic and retarded I would have even bought some Bcash just to be safe and hedge myself. But no that was too much for them, instead they went full retard.

A wise man once said:

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

Fair play to you, then.  If you don't approve of forks, that's entirely your prerogative.  You can limit yourself with whatever constraints you like.  But you don't get to force your constraints onto others.  Otherwise it's not freedom.  Regardless what you think other people should or shouldn't do, it's ultimately not your choice to make.

Why is it people only like freedom up to the point someone does something they don't approve of?



I still can't help but think they should have forked sooner.  The drawn out debate and "civil war" just made tensions worse.  It should have been a clean split from the start. 

Fun fact: Cobra owns the domain of Bitcointalk too!! He is pretty powerful guy in crypto space. But it's surprising that how just within a year Bcash is facing a major problem.

What the fuck is wrong with that? I don't see anything weird about this approach.

If it doesn't suit your interests you shouldn't use it. That's the most sensible thing to do. I sold my bcash the week fork happened and never looked back. Why? Because I don't fucking want them. 

What bcash people are doing is trying to destroy bitcoin just because the community didn't like their proposals. Fuck them. Now they are destroying themselves because they are toxic shitheads. I am glad they forked off.

Then I hope for your sake that the BTC chain doesn't change in future in a manner that you don't approve of.  Otherwise I assume you'll have to find (or make) a totally new coin to use.  If you want to forsake the ability to fork away for yourself, limiting your options because of your beliefs, you're free to do that.  Just don't expect everyone else to join you in your "from scratch" endeavours.  Me?  I'm not relinquishing my right to fork away if I don't like the way things are going.  

I bear no malice towards Litecoin and the other couple of hundreds of coins that couldn't reach consensus on bitcoin network and forked a new coin from bitcoin from scratch and none of them used the name "bitcoin". you can still see Charlie Lee's arguments against bitcoin and how he saw it as slow so he created a new coin and called it a new name with variables he thought was best such as 2.5 min blocks and a higher total supply.
you can also see Vitalik Buterin's arguments about bitcoin from years ago, him wanting to implement his ideas into bitcoin and since he couldn't reach any sort of consensus he created his own coin and called it a new name.
same with a lot of other real developers. that is a freedom that I will respect.

BCH IS harmful to bitcoin. it is not just about the misleadings, propaganda, scams that certain people like bitcoin.com,.. do. for instance if you remember the early couple of months, during which time bitcoin was under heavy spam attack that just had stopped and the backlog was going down. then BCH came along and started literary giving money away to miners! miners could find 144 bitcoin blocks per day but if they switched they could find 1000+ BCH blocks per day so they did. and their switching over made everything worse for bitcoin for a while. and that is one of the problems it created. we don't know what other troubles lies ahead.

I've never subscribed to the notion that consensus means everyone has to agree.  It means if you don't agree, you can run the code you want to run and consensus will match you up with those who agree with you.  You clearly have your own unique idea about why BCH was created and now you're projecting your perception of BCH onto every single last user.  

I feel that a less biased statement is to say that BCH was created to fill a gap in the market.  Some users felt their desires weren't being catered to.  It doesn't have to be a malicious act to want something different.  If their ideas aren't compatible and won't be implemented in BTC, what possible motivation would they have to stay?  

If you align yourself with the principles and ideology of permissionless freedom and open source, can you really be bitter about it when people use that freedom?

I bear no malice towards BCH as a coin.  It serves as a useful testbed.

when bitcoin is decentralized, censorship resistance, boarderless, .... you say bitcoin is blah blah, you never say some people in the community are decentralized, and ...! that is the whole ideology behind bitcoin and these are the reasons why it was created in first place.

BitcoinCash was created to bash bitcoin, to replace it or at least take the market from it. that is the whole ideology behind BCH. you can't say it is only some people who are doing it. it is the whole thing. they broke consensus and went against everything that a decentralized network stands for and created a minority fork just because they had money and hashrate to throw at it.

It sounds a little petty when you say it like that.  Bitcoin Cash is a protocol, so it isn't bashing anything.  It's more accurate to say that some people within the Bitcoin Cash community are bashing Bitcoin.  You can tar them all with the same brush if you like, but it doesn't serve to reduce the amount of polarisation and tribalism within the community.  I don't doubt there are moderate BCH users who are perfectly happy to use BTC as well.  They don't all have to be extremists, unless your personal bias deems otherwise.  I appreciate there's still a large amount of bitterness on both sides, but so much of it is just people taking affront to the actions of a few of the more vocal personalities involved.  Try to remember that Ver and Wright aren't necessarily representative of all BCH users.

You couldn't of said it better. And digital karma is the best ever.

I believe many people in the Bitcoin Cash community who "hate" Bitcoin have been manipulated by Roger Ver, the rest are holders who only want to fight for the idea that they are holding the "real Bitcoin" because they can be rich. Hahaha.

But if they throw Roger Ver and Craig Wright out, maybe they will come to terms that they are a community that can co-exist with our community.

I applaud his fighting as well, even though IMO it's lost cause.


No thanks, i prefer our community do something else such as encourage SegWit usage, moving away from centralized exchange to DEX, encourage using real bitcoin wallet (where you have access over your private key/seed) or introduce Bitcoin to people who don't know/use it.


With current community? That won't happen.

Altcoin boards discussion here ...

[ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees
- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-bitcoin-cash-pro-on-chain-scaling-cheaper-fees-2040221