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Quote from: axel2078 on January 29, 2015, 09:03:32 PM

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on January 29, 2015, 09:51:17 AM

Coinbase isn't licensed, correct, because they're still awaiting regulators to iron out the wrinkles of the Bit-License. They launched ahead of regulators, because that's what most tech startups do. It's nothing new. Run the business, add license and approvals later.

That said, they are fully licensed as a money tranmitter in the following states:

https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenses

It's just a matter of time before New York and California pass their licensing requirements.

No this is not true. As it stands now, coinbase is operating in states that it either has a license to operate in or that, in it's legal opinion does not need a license. As of now neither CA nor NY require licenses to operate a bitcoin exchange

a lot of ppl are getting confuse from the bit license for exchanges and the license as a money transmitter, they still dont have the bit license, thats why they are operating in a gray area.

I thought the bit license thing only applied to New York since it was their brain child. Is that not correct?

no, it is not correct. The BITlicense does NOT exist yet. it can be from tomorrow but it is not today. I repeat, make a search on internet: "bitcoin unlicensed money transmitter".

you will find things like this "2 year prison term for bitcoin unlicensed money transmitter ". So, New York is not so grey area. People are in jail for bitcoin exchanges.

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Quote from: mayax on January 28, 2015, 08:33:05 PM

you ignore the facts.

Coinbase is registered with FINCEN as being MSB for ALL THE USA

http://www.fincen.gov/financial_institutions/msb/msbstateselector.html

What does mean? It means they admit the fact that they are MSB in all the US. Are they licensed in all the US? No, they are not.

Let's take the New York state. Make a search on internet: "bitcoin unlicensed money transmitter". See what you can find and then you come to comment

Before searching, I will tell you what you will see; something like : 2 year prison term for bitcoin unlicensed money transmitter

Now, see Florida : "charged with felony violations of Florida’s law against unlicensed money transmitters — which prohibits “currency or payment instruments

So, Coinbase is operating illegally New York and Florida. These are only 2 cases. But they operate illegally in many other states

The law MUST be for everybody.

Maybe you just don't know, maybe you're just a ravaging moron. Who knows, but as people in this thread have said over and over.

California is a grey area, they haven't decide whether to regulate virtual currencies or not, so Obviously, operating as an exchange in California wouldn't be illegal, it'd just be slightly risky.

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Quote from: Gumbork on January 29, 2015, 09:00:00 PM

Quote from: hongw on January 29, 2015, 08:00:58 PM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on January 29, 2015, 09:51:17 AM

Coinbase isn't licensed, correct, because they're still awaiting regulators to iron out the wrinkles of the Bit-License. They launched ahead of regulators, because that's what most tech startups do. It's nothing new. Run the business, add license and approvals later.

That said, they are fully licensed as a money tranmitter in the following states:

https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenses

It's just a matter of time before New York and California pass their licensing requirements.

No this is not true. As it stands now, coinbase is operating in states that it either has a license to operate in or that, in it's legal opinion does not need a license. As of now neither CA nor NY require licenses to operate a bitcoin exchange

a lot of ppl are getting confuse from the bit license for exchanges and the license as a money transmitter, they still dont have the bit license, thats why they are operating in a gray area.

I thought the bit license thing only applied to New York since it was their brain child. Is that not correct?

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Quote from: hongw on January 29, 2015, 08:00:58 PM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on January 29, 2015, 09:51:17 AM

Coinbase isn't licensed, correct, because they're still awaiting regulators to iron out the wrinkles of the Bit-License. They launched ahead of regulators, because that's what most tech startups do. It's nothing new. Run the business, add license and approvals later.

That said, they are fully licensed as a money tranmitter in the following states:

https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenses

It's just a matter of time before New York and California pass their licensing requirements.

No this is not true. As it stands now, coinbase is operating in states that it either has a license to operate in or that, in it's legal opinion does not need a license. As of now neither CA nor NY require licenses to operate a bitcoin exchange

a lot of ppl are getting confuse from the bit license for exchanges and the license as a money transmitter, they still dont have the bit license, thats why they are operating in a gray area.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on January 29, 2015, 09:51:17 AM

Coinbase isn't licensed, correct, because they're still awaiting regulators to iron out the wrinkles of the Bit-License. They launched ahead of regulators, because that's what most tech startups do. It's nothing new. Run the business, add license and approvals later.

That said, they are fully licensed as a money tranmitter in the following states:

https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenses

It's just a matter of time before New York and California pass their licensing requirements.

No this is not true. As it stands now, coinbase is operating in states that it either has a license to operate in or that, in it's legal opinion does not need a license. As of now neither CA nor NY require licenses to operate a bitcoin exchange

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I also heard that Coin base was having a problem with the government in California?

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Isn't there a decentralized exchange that is popping up soon and being worked on? I would be excited to see how that worked. No huge hot wallets being hacked with thousands of btc being lost.

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Don't make excuses for flaky Bitcoin exchanges. The track record in the Bitcoin exchange industry is so awful that any compliance or withdrawal problem has to be considered a red flag.

Back in the forums for mid-2013 there are lots of postings along the lines of "Mt Gox is fine/great/safe/not a crook".

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Quote from: axel2078 on January 29, 2015, 03:07:48 PM

Quote from: mayax on January 29, 2015, 12:56:18 PM

Quote from: Gimpeline on January 29, 2015, 12:52:04 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on January 29, 2015, 11:01:15 AM

Quote from: mayax on January 29, 2015, 09:57:34 AM

the way is like that: approval, license and the business. you cannot make the business and then license

It is also a felony to engage in money transmission without a license in any state that requires a license to operate.

Coinbase did business without ANY license since 2 years ago.

Why are you on this forum anyway? You seem to be spending a significant part of your (free?) time to attack anything bitcoin related.

If you have a genuine concern about Coinbase or any other, the solution is simple and it has been suggested to you:

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 28, 2015, 04:18:26 PM

As a law abiding citizen you ought to report them. Do it and move on.

If you know someone is committing a felony, it is your responsibility to report that to authorities.

So do it already and move on.

Never. I like it when I know what I am doing wont be reported. Thats pretty much the idea behind Bitcoin if you read the whitepaper. If you want a currency that is fully regulated, make an altcoin and let the rest of us live free

this is my point too.

Is it not BTC about anonymity and freedom? Why do the people want regulated exchanges who will report them to their gov? it's a non-sense.

It's seems that the BTC community is not quite a community... First, "we don't want regulations" and then "wow, Coinbase will be regulated, so cool. I want to be reported ! "

If you want regulation, chose some other form of so called investment. Bitcoin is/was all about free unregulated markets. right?

I see where you're coming from, but the U.S. government is making that harder and harder to do. Aren't they now basically saying that if you buy or sell bitcoins outside of a way that they can track/monitor, you are guilty of money laundering and acting as a money transmitter?

yes. selling bitcoin locally for cash is now worse than selling hard drugs. coinbase verifies your identity and bank to report you to the gov on your sales and purchases.

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Quote from: mayax on January 29, 2015, 12:56:18 PM

Quote from: Gimpeline on January 29, 2015, 12:52:04 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on January 29, 2015, 11:01:15 AM

Quote from: mayax on January 29, 2015, 09:57:34 AM

the way is like that: approval, license and the business. you cannot make the business and then license

It is also a felony to engage in money transmission without a license in any state that requires a license to operate.

Coinbase did business without ANY license since 2 years ago.

Why are you on this forum anyway? You seem to be spending a significant part of your (free?) time to attack anything bitcoin related.

If you have a genuine concern about Coinbase or any other, the solution is simple and it has been suggested to you:

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 28, 2015, 04:18:26 PM

As a law abiding citizen you ought to report them. Do it and move on.

If you know someone is committing a felony, it is your responsibility to report that to authorities.

So do it already and move on.

Never. I like it when I know what I am doing wont be reported. Thats pretty much the idea behind Bitcoin if you read the whitepaper. If you want a currency that is fully regulated, make an altcoin and let the rest of us live free

this is my point too.

Is it not BTC about anonymity and freedom? Why do the people want regulated exchanges who will report them to their gov? it's a non-sense.

It's seems that the BTC community is not quite a community... First, "we don't want regulations" and then "wow, Coinbase will be regulated, so cool. I want to be reported ! "

If you want regulation, chose some other form of so called investment. Bitcoin is/was all about free unregulated markets. right?

I see where you're coming from, but the U.S. government is making that harder and harder to do. Aren't they now basically saying that if you buy or sell bitcoins outside of a way that they can track/monitor, you are guilty of money laundering and acting as a money transmitter?

mayax

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Quote from: Gimpeline on January 29, 2015, 12:52:04 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on January 29, 2015, 11:01:15 AM

Quote from: mayax on January 29, 2015, 09:57:34 AM

the way is like that: approval, license and the business. you cannot make the business and then license

It is also a felony to engage in money transmission without a license in any state that requires a license to operate.

Coinbase did business without ANY license since 2 years ago.

Why are you on this forum anyway? You seem to be spending a significant part of your (free?) time to attack anything bitcoin related.

If you have a genuine concern about Coinbase or any other, the solution is simple and it has been suggested to you:

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 28, 2015, 04:18:26 PM

As a law abiding citizen you ought to report them. Do it and move on.

If you know someone is committing a felony, it is your responsibility to report that to authorities.

So do it already and move on.

Never. I like it when I know what I am doing wont be reported. Thats pretty much the idea behind Bitcoin if you read the whitepaper. If you want a currency that is fully regulated, make an altcoin and let the rest of us live free

this is my point too.

Is it not BTC about anonymity and freedom? Why do the people want regulated exchanges who will report them to their gov? it's a non-sense.

It's seems that the BTC community is not quite a community... First, "we don't want regulations" and then "wow, Coinbase will be regulated, so cool. I want to be reported ! "

If you want regulation, chose some other form of so called investment. Bitcoin is/was all about free unregulated markets. right?

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Quote from: pawel7777 on January 29, 2015, 11:01:15 AM

Quote from: mayax on January 29, 2015, 09:57:34 AM

the way is like that: approval, license and the business. you cannot make the business and then license

It is also a felony to engage in money transmission without a license in any state that requires a license to operate.

Coinbase did business without ANY license since 2 years ago.

Why are you on this forum anyway? You seem to be spending a significant part of your (free?) time to attack anything bitcoin related.

If you have a genuine concern about Coinbase or any other, the solution is simple and it has been suggested to you:

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 28, 2015, 04:18:26 PM

As a law abiding citizen you ought to report them. Do it and move on.

If you know someone is committing a felony, it is your responsibility to report that to authorities.

So do it already and move on.

Never. I like it when I know what I am doing wont be reported. Thats pretty much the idea behind Bitcoin if you read the whitepaper. If you want a currency that is fully regulated, make an altcoin and let the rest of us live free

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So what are the big european whales waiting to imitate the Winklevii and Coinbase and create a big, serious European exchanges? If I was a whale i would be on it as we speak.

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Quote from: mayax on January 29, 2015, 09:57:34 AM

the way is like that: approval, license and the business. you cannot make the business and then license

It is also a felony to engage in money transmission without a license in any state that requires a license to operate.

Coinbase did business without ANY license since 2 years ago.

Why are you on this forum anyway? You seem to be spending a significant part of your (free?) time to attack anything bitcoin related.

If you have a genuine concern about Coinbase or any other, the solution is simple and it has been suggested to you:

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on January 28, 2015, 04:18:26 PM

As a law abiding citizen you ought to report them. Do it and move on.

If you know someone is committing a felony, it is your responsibility to report that to authorities.

So do it already and move on.

mayax

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on January 29, 2015, 09:51:17 AM

Coinbase isn't licensed, correct, because they're still awaiting regulators to iron out the wrinkles of the Bit-License. They launched ahead of regulators, because that's what most tech startups do. It's nothing new. Run the business, add license and approvals later.

That said, they are fully licensed as a money tranmitter in the following states:

https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenses

It's just a matter of time before New York and California pass their licensing requirements.

the way is like that: approval, license and the business. you cannot make the business and then license

It is also a felony to engage in money transmission without a license in any state that requires a license to operate.

Coinbase did business without ANY license since 2 years ago.

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Coinbase isn't licensed, correct, because they're still awaiting regulators to iron out the wrinkles of the Bit-License. They launched ahead of regulators, because that's what most tech startups do. It's nothing new. Run the business, add license and approvals later.

That said, they are fully licensed as a money tranmitter in the following states:

https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenses

It's just a matter of time before New York and California pass their licensing requirements.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on January 28, 2015, 08:48:38 PM

In every state (including FL and NY) they are licensed/registered with FINCEN to legally operate a MSB.
The federal requirement is met in all 50 states.

FinCen doesn't "license" anybody to do anything. Financial institutions have to register with FinCen for anti-money-laundering purposes, but that's an additional requirement on top of other regulation. Registering with FinCen is just filling out a form; they don't examine or approve it. It just makes FinCen aware that you exist.

A US Bitcoin exchange could register as a regular securities broker/dealer with the SEC, and that would preempt state regulation. That would be a reasonable direction for Coinbase, which has been a broker/dealer in Bitcoins for a year or so.

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There are 3 companies that have an address matching 1 Front Street, Suite 2600 San Francisco, CA 94111.

The companies are Coinbase Inc, Coinbase Inc, and Coinbase Inc.

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mmc.com used to be Lockheed Martin: http://web.archive.org/web/19970214125809/http://www.mmc.com/

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Quote from: Jordan23 on January 28, 2015, 09:27:06 PM

Go get Cryptsy too. They are based in Florida and I can buy/sell Bitcoin in NC there. Save us all from this misery. Thanks!

same thing. illegal but at least they are not playing as smart asses. they are "modest", they make the biz without noise.

When you want to play(to pose) as a shit corporation as Coinbase is doing, when you make waves, when you lie alot then you can expect some reactions.

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Quote from: Jordan23 on January 28, 2015, 09:25:00 PM

Quote from: mayax on January 28, 2015, 09:22:52 PM

Quote from: Jordan23 on January 28, 2015, 09:18:58 PM

OP is really slow. He wants Coinbase to have a State license in states that require no license at this time. They are Federally legit.

Please read again what i said above.

Florida : they MUST be licensed as MSB and they are not.
New York : the same

People are already doing jail time for that. "charged with felony violations of Florida’s law against unlicensed money transmitters — which prohibits “currency or payment instruments" . Search on google. Do not take my word. Verify yourself

You know more than all their attorneys. We got it. You just saved cryptocurrencies. Thanks man. What's your BTC address so I can tip you for your genius work?

Coinbase knows very well but they are playing their cards. I told you above.
Do not take my words, search yourself. Do it for New York and Florida where Coinbase is not licensed. You will find people arrested/in jail for the same business.

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