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Topic: CoinReturn - Discussion of Current Issues and Possible Future Actions - page 2. (Read 6172 times)

sr. member
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Got another reply back from the PI regarding timing for the information regarding the license; "should be Monday".

He also sent the following:
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I did some research through the databases we use that contain personal identifiers, address, and lots of other information on people here.  Nothing comes up on him with that birth date and nothing on his name in this state at all.  This is quite unusual for a 29-year-old guy and indicates he his not living a middle class lifestyle with credit cards, etc...

A search of database records on this address revealed no ties to a Thomas Mica.

No criminal records were found in the state on anyone named Thomas Mica.

No corporations or other business entities connected to his name in this state.

I did some extensive searching on the Internet I am finding nothing at all pertaining to a Thomas Mica in this region of the country.

So not a particularly good sign, but we'll see what comes back from the DMV.
legendary
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It is a holiday weekend so I don't imagine the DMV will open until Monday at least. Yes, I'm stating the obvious. Cheesy
sr. member
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I just received a reply from the PI I sent the license information to.  He has sent the information to the DMV and expects to receive a reply 'next week'.  I have asked him if it is possible for him to give me a more specific timeframe and I will report back when he replies.
sr. member
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Just rang the PI - No answer.  Left a voicemail for him to contact me.
sr. member
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Thanks StakeHunter, I appreciate the feedback.  Hopefully we can get some confirmation on the ID soon!!
full member
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I for one did not sell at a loss and still hold all my shares. So I am very interested as to your progress.
Any information is better than none. And I support your methods.
sr. member
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Unfortunately the PI hasn't returned my emails since my last post here, which is odd, because previously he was very responsive.  I will try to get hold of him by phone tomorrow morning my time (+12hrs from now).  Unfortunately the timezone difference between me and him means that there is only 2-3hrs of overlap when I can ring him during business hours.

If this PI doesn't respond soon, I'll fall back to the other one I checked out earlier.  He's more expensive, but hopefully also more responsive!
member
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Just a quick update on progress (or more accurately; lack thereof unfortunately).

Tom's ID Verification
I am waiting to hear back from one of the parties who can provide this service, and then I can make a decision on the best option moving forward.  Regardless, I will make a decision tomorrow night (my time; 24hrs from now) and then get this moving.  Once I give the go-ahead, we should hopefully get some results back fairly quickly (within 48hrs).

Domain Contact Information
The domain privacy company have now said that they require some kind of 'legal notification' before they will reveal any information, which is both disappointing, and contrary to what is written on their website.  So unfortunately we'll have to put this on the back-burner for now.

I'll keep you posted on my progress (or further lack thereof!) Smiley

So whats the update mate?
sr. member
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Thanks Deadwood, I pretty much agree with everything you're saying.

No contract was signed.

I'll definitely keep you posted on how things are going.
newbie
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Here's my two cents:

1. Kudos with being responsible with the ID. A witch hunt is definitely something we don't need right now.
2. A PI is an infinitely better idea than just going over there yourself for reasons others have stated (mostly, a PI should know some of the laws about recording people or dealing with them in general. That's why they're PIs). I liked the flowers idea though.
3. This might still be a scam, long con, or whatever, but it is also likely that the guys had good intentions  but at some point something happened - human error, computer crash, whatever - that lost them their bankroll and the easiest way out was to just up and quit. It's not like everyone who had $50 invested there will fly over and put pressure on the agencies that can shed light on this situation - and I frankly don't even know which they would be. The police? This isn't theft, it's closer to fraud, but did you guys sign a contract?
Anyway, I'm not trying to start a flame war about which laws this might fall under, I'm just saying it might be a bit difficult to solve in court.

However, good luck with the proceedings and do keep us posted. I am not against chipping in to hire a PI - though at this point this is just for closure for me.

Thank you!
sr. member
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I have decided that a Private Investigator located near the address on Tom's license is the best option for verifying his ID and have sent off the license details to him.  Hopefully we will hear back from him soon.
sr. member
Activity: 1064
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Just a quick update on progress (or more accurately; lack thereof unfortunately).

Tom's ID Verification
I am waiting to hear back from one of the parties who can provide this service, and then I can make a decision on the best option moving forward.  Regardless, I will make a decision tomorrow night (my time; 24hrs from now) and then get this moving.  Once I give the go-ahead, we should hopefully get some results back fairly quickly (within 48hrs).

Domain Contact Information
The domain privacy company have now said that they require some kind of 'legal notification' before they will reveal any information, which is both disappointing, and contrary to what is written on their website.  So unfortunately we'll have to put this on the back-burner for now.

I'll keep you posted on my progress (or further lack thereof!) Smiley
sr. member
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If you do approach him, make sure u have a video camera recording of anything thing he says.
Under either of the 2 scenarios (scam or SEC trouble) I highly doubt he would say anything in person or on camera if ya caught up w/ him. IMO, if it was SEC trouble then they should just pay the fine and refund us our money and then carry on their private trading outfit amongst themselves. How long do they think they're gonna lay low and avoid penalty if they're already on the radar? I bet this was all well and fine until they either got spooked or notified and then they just stopped the trading and won't resume or pay divs/refunds which would prove their involvement. So, they dipped on us and outside of siccing the authorities on them the show is over.

Well, whatever the scenario, I want to give them a chance to explain and I think we need to at least try to get some kind of answer.  Refusing to answer at all might actually still tell us something.
sr. member
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Check the state laws about recording people, some state allow it with out consent some do not.

Thanks.  I imagine the PI would know this tho.
legendary
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If you do approach him, make sure u have a video camera recording of anything thing he says.
Under either of the 2 scenarios (scam or SEC trouble) I highly doubt he would say anything in person or on camera if ya caught up w/ him. IMO, if it was SEC trouble then they should just pay the fine and refund us our money and then carry on their private trading outfit amongst themselves. How long do they think they're gonna lay low and avoid penalty if they're already on the radar? I bet this was all well and fine until they either got spooked or notified and then they just stopped the trading and won't resume or pay divs/refunds which would prove their involvement. So, they dipped on us and outside of siccing the authorities on them the show is over.
full member
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Check the state laws about recording people, some state allow it with out consent some do not.
sr. member
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If you do approach him, make sure u have a video camera recording of anything thing he says.

Yes, I was thinking that would be a good idea.
sr. member
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If you do approach him, make sure u have a video camera recording of anything thing he says.
newbie
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Instead of sending a PI to "gently" speak with him, you can send flowers to his home making a simple call to a delivery.
It's cheaper.  Grin
PD: Text for flowers card: "From your shareholders"

Or you can send him a dead fish. With text:"Caveo Cavi Cautum"
jr. member
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Ok, I am making progress on the License verification front, but nothing solid to report as yet. 

I am having some trouble getting the domain privacy company to understand the current situation (the keep telling me to contact the domain owner via their form - which I have of course already tried).  However, I am persisting on this front for now.

I have also been checking out some options for engaging a Private Investigator in the area where Tom's driver's license indicates he lives.  I have found another PI who works only 20 min away from Tom's address and charges $80 per hour plus travel.  The first PI lived an hour away and charges $100 ph with a minimum of 4 hours billable.  A third PI has not returned either of the 2 emails I sent to them in the last week.

I am thinking that if the license is legit, we could contract a PI to pay Tom a visit and (gently) try to ascertain what's going on.  I am hoping that a number of shareholders would be willing to chip in and help me pay for this.  I imagine that it might take 2-3hrs for this initial work - so the cost would be $160-240 in total.  If we could get 25 shareholders to put in $10 (~0.017 BTC @ $580/BTC) each, that would cover it.  I would be happy to use some kind of Escrow if that's what everyone wanted.

What does everyone think about that idea?

Sorry, but I think if you have his first and last name, and the location where he lives, you do not need money.
Instead of sending a PI to "gently" speak with him, you can send flowers to his home making a simple call to a delivery.
It's cheaper.  Grin
PD: Text for flowers card: "From your shareholders"


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