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Quote from: BADecker on August 25, 2018, 12:16:02 PM

...This means that we would have to take life-support along with us if we went. Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

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It's not a matter of taking life support for humans. It's a matter of taking life itself as we know it.

Most ideas on this involve dna-sequence libraries and machines to produce plants and animals from those, instead of actually hauling all the living things...

This is really the practical means of doing Mars and the Moon, not hauling all the stuff from Earth. So that puts those two projects into the 50-500 years category, not 10-20 years. So what.

Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

More likely expensive beyond anything the greedy poor of socialist nations would want. They wouldn't want their monthly allotments of free stuff reduced to fund space missions.

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 25, 2018, 08:36:36 AM

Quote from: darklus123 on August 25, 2018, 06:13:19 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on August 24, 2018, 11:11:32 PM

Hmmm....

The detection of planets in "habitable zones" is a far cry from habitable planets. But maybe 1/1000 of these would in fact be suitable.

So then the only problem is that it would take five million years to get there.

So you see, it is not possible for humans to find other habitable worlds. But it is possible for the evolutionary processes of life to be spread.

It is still possible since the astronauts already found a planet like earth. If they were able to make a device that can travel that fast without carrying human beings then later on they will surely discover a new device that can travel as fast as the current device. Which can also load up humans.

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No, astronauts have not "already found a planet like earth."

no, nobody has made a device that travels that fast without carrying humans.

In addition, when you do a detailed study on the requirements necessary for a planet to support life, you find that there are enough requirements, that the odds of finding another like Earth are very slim. Most studies on how many Earth-like planets might be out there in other galaxies, don't take into account all the factors found on Earth, that would be necessary for life. This means that we would have to take life-support along with us if we went. Expensive beyond anything the greedy wealthy would ever give up.

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Quote from: darklus123 on August 25, 2018, 06:13:19 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on August 24, 2018, 11:11:32 PM

Hmmm....

The detection of planets in "habitable zones" is a far cry from habitable planets. But maybe 1/1000 of these would in fact be suitable.

So then the only problem is that it would take five million years to get there.

So you see, it is not possible for humans to find other habitable worlds. But it is possible for the evolutionary processes of life to be spread.

It is still possible since the astronauts already found a planet like earth. If they were able to make a device that can travel that fast without carrying human beings then later on they will surely discover a new device that can travel as fast as the current device. Which can also load up humans.

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No, astronauts have not "already found a planet like earth."

no, nobody has made a device that travels that fast without carrying humans.

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Quote from: Spendulus on August 24, 2018, 11:11:32 PM

Hmmm....

The detection of planets in "habitable zones" is a far cry from habitable planets. But maybe 1/1000 of these would in fact be suitable.

So then the only problem is that it would take five million years to get there.

So you see, it is not possible for humans to find other habitable worlds. But it is possible for the evolutionary processes of life to be spread.

It is still possible since the astronauts already found a planet like earth. If they were able to make a device that can travel that fast without carrying human beings then later on they will surely discover a new device that can travel as fast as the current device. Which can also load up humans.

Quote from: BADecker on August 24, 2018, 11:20:21 PM

If you study it, you will find that the requirements for life are so great that we will have to take everything along with us just to stay alive. The odds against life even happening here are so great that we don't understand how life could have happened. Colonizing other planets is way beyond anything we have a chance of achieving with any technology we have available now.

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That is a great way of thinking, this is the only planet where the creator have given us and maybe that is really the reality that it is almost impossible to colonize other country

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Quote from: darklus123 on August 24, 2018, 09:22:14 AM

Quote from: Vod on August 28, 2017, 04:50:54 PM

Quote from: Gyro on August 28, 2017, 04:28:42 PM

Other planets are not going to have the same atmosphere as ours. Chances are we're not going to be able to breath on these planets.

Mathematical nonsense.

There are hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy alone, with hundreds of billions of galaxies.

Each star has multiple planets.

Eventually, we will find some that support our life.

If i am not mistaken astronomy reached that goal already to find some planets that looks similar to earth that can support living.

So indeed there are really planets which can support human lives. The only problem for now is the tool for transfering humans from the other planets since those planets are a million light years away from the earth.

If you study it, you will find that the requirements for life are so great that we will have to take everything along with us just to stay alive. The odds against life even happening here are so great that we don't understand how life could have happened. Colonizing other planets is way beyond anything we have a chance of achieving with any technology we have available now.

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Quote from: darklus123 on August 24, 2018, 09:22:14 AM

Quote from: Vod on August 28, 2017, 04:50:54 PM

Quote from: Gyro on August 28, 2017, 04:28:42 PM

Other planets are not going to have the same atmosphere as ours. Chances are we're not going to be able to breath on these planets.

Mathematical nonsense.

There are hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy alone, with hundreds of billions of galaxies.

Each star has multiple planets.

Eventually, we will find some that support our life.

If i am not mistaken astronomy reached that goal already to find some planets that looks similar to earth that can support living.

So indeed there are really planets which can support human lives. The only problem for now is the tool for transfering humans from the other planets since those planets are a million light years away from the earth.

Hmmm....

The detection of planets in "habitable zones" is a far cry from habitable planets. But maybe 1/1000 of these would in fact be suitable.

So then the only problem is that it would take five million years to get there.

So you see, it is not possible for humans to find other habitable worlds. But it is possible for the evolutionary processes of life to be spread.

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Quote from: Vod on August 28, 2017, 04:50:54 PM

Quote from: Gyro on August 28, 2017, 04:28:42 PM

Other planets are not going to have the same atmosphere as ours. Chances are we're not going to be able to breath on these planets.

Mathematical nonsense.

There are hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy alone, with hundreds of billions of galaxies.

Each star has multiple planets.

Eventually, we will find some that support our life.

If i am not mistaken astronomy reached that goal already to find some planets that looks similar to earth that can support living.

So indeed there are really planets which can support human lives. The only problem for now is the tool for transfering humans from the other planets since those planets are a million light years away from the earth.

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We are developing and it is a possibility. People say that Earth is too small for us all. I do not share that point of view. To me, Earth is just enough for the big mankind family. Moreover, as many have mentioned, we do not have capable spaceships. We cannot travel too far. Even if we manage to go far, we cannot go fast. It means we cannot come back to share success stories. Our future is in the cosmos. It is sure. But first, we must learn how to improve ourselves on Earth. We must not go out there and keep destroying as we are doing here.

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Isn’t this the goal of Elon Musk’s SpaceX project? To colonize Mars? Honestly, I’m not a fan of the idea. I have a feeling history will repeat itself and humans would deplete the planet’s resources again. Other people are saying that the colonization of planets is not the most feasible solution to survival. Other’s are actually suggesting using technology to achieve digital immortality. Have you heard about it? Check out this discussion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/transhumanism/comments/91g7yd/should_we_focus_on_space_colonization_or_digital/

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Quote from: LudaIvanova7 on August 23, 2018, 04:28:52 PM

Quote from: RankoYS on August 28, 2017, 07:26:49 AM

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

The purpose of going on mars for these astronauts is to make it ready for colonization. Plan is organised and I think that it is pretty much possible.

I don't think that is so.

There are various reasons this idea exists.

One is to make money from government contracts for Elon Musk.

Another is political status for countries that pay to play.

In a practical sense, "making it ready for colonization" would require hundreds of rockets with payloads of machinery and robots. Sending humans is NOT an essential part of making it ready for colonization.

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I think, in some time in the future, we might come to a situation that a civilization of human race would be created in other planets. This is because in this present time, we already are doing actions in putting people in Mars and I think that's a big step towards making civilization outside earth. Also, it would be possible that civilization of humans would conquer those exo planet but it takes a lot time and research for it to happen as many things should be discovered and invented about this.

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Quote from: RankoYS on August 28, 2017, 07:26:49 AM

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

The purpose of going on mars for these astronauts is to make it ready for colonization. Plan is organised and I think that it is pretty much possible.

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It is still too early to talk about the colonization of other planets. Now, even on the moon, it is impossible to build an inhabited base. It will cost too much, but there will be no profit.

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Quote from: svendoto23 on August 22, 2018, 04:08:00 PM

...we can't even find the truth about the first expedition on the moon by Neil Armstrong. There's many theories and hoax about the landing on the moon what more if we can find a way to get to Mars.

You have got to be kidding.

What part of "Twelve US astronauts landed on the moon" do you not understand?

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Quote from: Moana on May 25, 2018, 07:53:49 AM

Quote from: Foxpup on August 28, 2017, 11:07:57 PM

Quote from: Vod on August 28, 2017, 04:50:54 PM

Mathematical nonsense.

There are hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy alone, with hundreds of billions of galaxies.

Each star has multiple planets.

Eventually, we will find some that support our life.

Chemical nonsense.

You won't find an oxygen atmosphere on a planet by chance; oxygen is far too reactive to exist naturally in a free state. You know why water's the most common compound in the universe? Because hydrogen is the most common element, so whenever there's oxygen around - BOOM! Oxygen also reacts with carbon to form carbon oxides, silicon to form rock, and metals to form rust: all of which can be found in varying levels of abundance on other planets, but no free oxygen.

The only reason Earth has oxygen in its atmosphere is because algae and plants are constantly producing it as a waste product, and the only way another planet can have oxygen is if it already has life like ours, which may be inconvenient for colonists.

Good point. But the real issue is that at the moment there is not even the slightest scientific clue that a long distant space travel may ever be possible. Sleeping during long trips is just a science fiction trick, no concrete reason it will ever be possible. At the moment we can't even be sure to be able to ship human safely beyond the Van Allen belts, BTW.

Our technology is really making a fast change and innovating our lives at a much faster rate but we don't have enough resources, pieces of knowledge, and facts about another planet we can't even find the truth about the first expedition on the moon by Neil Armstrong. There's many theories and hoax about the landing on the moon what more if we can find a way to get to Mars.

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Quote from: RankoYS on August 28, 2017, 07:26:49 AM

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

well if you glorify bitcoin then it will be not possible to colonize planets, you would have to have then a different type of cryptocurrencies.

like an ico for the james webb telescope, and you woul have to respect that.

or the iter fusion research society.

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Quote from: September11Myth on May 25, 2018, 06:36:19 AM

Quote from: BADecker on March 17, 2018, 11:47:59 AM

I agree that we went to the moon, but...

Just go up there and find out if that is a mirror. It could be a piece of natural, shiny, silica rock that somebody accidentally found while shining a laser around, and then made some claims about. You don't know it is a mirror.

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The mirror narrative has never convinced me in the slightest, since the light needs 1.3 seconds to travel from the earth to the moon, which makes it quite difficult to target the mirror (you have to shoot where the mirror will be in 1.3 seconds), but it makes it completely impossible to receive the laser ray when it comes back from the moon, since in 1.3 seconds the observatory would move tens of Km away from where the ray would return to.

Here there's a discussion on the theme:

https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4971.0

They only found the mirror by accident. There are all kinds of "things" that are continually "struck" by accident rather than by direct calculation. Just look at baseball.

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Quote from: Moana on May 25, 2018, 07:53:49 AM

...we can't even be sure to be able to ship human safely beyond the Van Allen belts, BTW.

That issue was resolved long ago.

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Quote from: RankoYS on August 28, 2017, 07:26:49 AM

Do you think humanity will ever create colonies on the other planets (not just couple of trained astronauts but a civilian population in a city or something similar) and depending on your opinion why not / where and when do you think they're likely to be created first?... also will the frontier of colonising be in our own solar system on Mars for example or on some exoplanet

It's really hard to say whether or not it will happen. There are so many unpredictable factors. I do believe for sure that we could colonize another planet. It seems that our space technology is improving constantly. I don't understand why we still haven't been back to the moon, but I think it'll all pretty feasible. Why it might not happen... I think that other problems on earth may distract us too much. Our efforts may be diverted, then space exploration could lose funding. I think the race will continue, but maybe landing on the moon again would be a good first step before going to Mars, for example.

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It is all about survival, no matter what we do , there will be some point in future where we will regress (technologically) or culturally(wars divisions etc). If we don do it fast we(the humans) will be doomed. Thanks God, we have Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos.

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