Topic: Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz vows to carry mattress around university (Read 7948 times)
October 06, 2014, 04:11:01 AM
I think the Whole issue maybe was due to who pay for the Campus police.
October 06, 2014, 02:30:10 AM
I suggest every member of the lynch mob here read this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
and this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.
Accusation isn't evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
and this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.
Accusation isn't evidence.
Stop kissing the buttcheeks of rape apologists
No investigation was launched against the rapist.
Im a bit confused, as far as I know rape is usually delt with by calling the police. Why is this chick demanding he gets kicked out of school? Why didnt she call the cops and instantly get the rape kit from the hospital? I dont think it is up to the school to kick people out on word alone. You know how many guys would be kicked out of school if drunkie drunk girl said he raped me? I am not saying that is the case here by any means but I dont get why she didnt get the police involved if she was raped. Same goes for the other 2 girls.
Drunk women cannot consent. No investigation was launched against him. Normally, a police report results in an investigation at least.
October 06, 2014, 12:03:54 AM
I suggest every member of the lynch mob here read this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
and this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.
Accusation isn't evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
and this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.
Accusation isn't evidence.
Stop kissing the buttcheeks of rape apologists
No investigation was launched against the rapist.
Im a bit confused, as far as I know rape is usually delt with by calling the police. Why is this chick demanding he gets kicked out of school? Why didnt she call the cops and instantly get the rape kit from the hospital? I dont think it is up to the school to kick people out on word alone. You know how many guys would be kicked out of school if drunkie drunk girl said he raped me? I am not saying that is the case here by any means but I dont get why she didnt get the police involved if she was raped. Same goes for the other 2 girls.
October 05, 2014, 09:56:15 PM
I suggest every member of the lynch mob here read this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
and this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.
Accusation isn't evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
and this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.
Accusation isn't evidence.
Stop kissing the buttcheeks of rape apologists
No investigation was launched against the rapist.
October 05, 2014, 09:14:07 PM
I suggest every member of the lynch mob here read this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
and this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.
Accusation isn't evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta
and this,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process
No evidence, no trial, no conviction. Tough shit.
Accusation isn't evidence.
October 05, 2014, 07:09:55 PM
Thought this might be in need of an update
Here are the results (Nothing)
Parents of Columbia University student who accused classmate of rape rip school for lack of action
Senior Emma Sulkowicz is carrying around a mattress to protest the school's inaction in her case. Her parents criticized the 'prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process' in an open letter to the Columbia Spectator.
In an open letter to the Columbia Spectator published on Thursday, doctors Sandra Leong and Kerry J. Sulkowicz ripped the school for its "prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process" regarding their daughter's case.
"If Columbia remains passive in the face of Emma’s suffering, and does not attempt to rectify the injustice done to her, survivors at Columbia will feel discouraged from entrusting themselves to the system that Columbia has recently worked so hard at putting into place," the parents write in the letter
(Still carrying the mattress)
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parents-columbia-student-accused-classmate-rape-rip-university-article-1.1962312
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Comments
If the NYDN wants to carry a story like this, they should also include facts that readers might find relevant. The young lady in question did not file a police complaint until long after reporting the alleged rape to Columbia, and she only did that 9 months after the fact. Consequently, there is no physical evidence and there are also no witnesses to the alleged rape. I believe rapists should face severe penalties, but not without proof. There seems to be none here aside from she-said-he-said.
I don't think this is a good/effective way to protest how they handled the situation. Here are the results (Nothing)
Parents of Columbia University student who accused classmate of rape rip school for lack of action
Senior Emma Sulkowicz is carrying around a mattress to protest the school's inaction in her case. Her parents criticized the 'prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process' in an open letter to the Columbia Spectator.
In an open letter to the Columbia Spectator published on Thursday, doctors Sandra Leong and Kerry J. Sulkowicz ripped the school for its "prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process" regarding their daughter's case.
"If Columbia remains passive in the face of Emma’s suffering, and does not attempt to rectify the injustice done to her, survivors at Columbia will feel discouraged from entrusting themselves to the system that Columbia has recently worked so hard at putting into place," the parents write in the letter
(Still carrying the mattress)
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parents-columbia-student-accused-classmate-rape-rip-university-article-1.1962312
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Comments
If the NYDN wants to carry a story like this, they should also include facts that readers might find relevant. The young lady in question did not file a police complaint until long after reporting the alleged rape to Columbia, and she only did that 9 months after the fact. Consequently, there is no physical evidence and there are also no witnesses to the alleged rape. I believe rapists should face severe penalties, but not without proof. There seems to be none here aside from she-said-he-said.
I do agree that it is unfortunately little more then a he-said-she-said situation and would really not be proper to do anything to the guy without any proof
October 05, 2014, 07:53:24 AM
The university will never comment on the issue in an attempt to preserve their image when it comes to the press.
I got permanently censored by Facebook for sharing links about this
I got permanently censored by Facebook for sharing links about this
October 05, 2014, 04:28:18 AM
Thought this might be in need of an update
Here are the results (Nothing)
Parents of Columbia University student who accused classmate of rape rip school for lack of action
Senior Emma Sulkowicz is carrying around a mattress to protest the school's inaction in her case. Her parents criticized the 'prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process' in an open letter to the Columbia Spectator.
In an open letter to the Columbia Spectator published on Thursday, doctors Sandra Leong and Kerry J. Sulkowicz ripped the school for its "prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process" regarding their daughter's case.
"If Columbia remains passive in the face of Emma’s suffering, and does not attempt to rectify the injustice done to her, survivors at Columbia will feel discouraged from entrusting themselves to the system that Columbia has recently worked so hard at putting into place," the parents write in the letter
(Still carrying the mattress)
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parents-columbia-student-accused-classmate-rape-rip-university-article-1.1962312
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Comments
If the NYDN wants to carry a story like this, they should also include facts that readers might find relevant. The young lady in question did not file a police complaint until long after reporting the alleged rape to Columbia, and she only did that 9 months after the fact. Consequently, there is no physical evidence and there are also no witnesses to the alleged rape. I believe rapists should face severe penalties, but not without proof. There seems to be none here aside from she-said-he-said.
Here are the results (Nothing)
Parents of Columbia University student who accused classmate of rape rip school for lack of action
Senior Emma Sulkowicz is carrying around a mattress to protest the school's inaction in her case. Her parents criticized the 'prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process' in an open letter to the Columbia Spectator.
In an open letter to the Columbia Spectator published on Thursday, doctors Sandra Leong and Kerry J. Sulkowicz ripped the school for its "prolonged, degrading and ultimately fruitless process" regarding their daughter's case.
"If Columbia remains passive in the face of Emma’s suffering, and does not attempt to rectify the injustice done to her, survivors at Columbia will feel discouraged from entrusting themselves to the system that Columbia has recently worked so hard at putting into place," the parents write in the letter
(Still carrying the mattress)
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parents-columbia-student-accused-classmate-rape-rip-university-article-1.1962312
___
Comments
If the NYDN wants to carry a story like this, they should also include facts that readers might find relevant. The young lady in question did not file a police complaint until long after reporting the alleged rape to Columbia, and she only did that 9 months after the fact. Consequently, there is no physical evidence and there are also no witnesses to the alleged rape. I believe rapists should face severe penalties, but not without proof. There seems to be none here aside from she-said-he-said.
September 20, 2014, 12:58:03 PM
2. You got on a bus, and that's what people just need to do. You didn't shovel salt soooo why are these women staying around to get raped? Take a bus to a respectable place where they have respectable jobs and dress respectably and rape doesn't happen unless you really ask for it.
Problem solved.
I would certainly not say that women are asking to get raped as a result of how they dress. There are also no "respectable" places where rape does not happen, this is a crime that happens all over the world. Problem solved.
I would say that women are "asking" for some level of attention when they dress provocatively however it is crazy to say they are asking to get assaulted (or anything worse).
September 16, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
2. You got on a bus, and that's what people just need to do. You didn't shovel salt soooo why are these women staying around to get raped? Take a bus to a respectable place where they have respectable jobs and dress respectably and rape doesn't happen unless you really ask for it.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
Not sure if you're trolling, or you really don't know the definition of "rape"
You sound like you're from the Bronze age, are you from Texas?
September 16, 2014, 12:20:50 PM
2. You got on a bus, and that's what people just need to do. You didn't shovel salt soooo why are these women staying around to get raped? Take a bus to a respectable place where they have respectable jobs and dress respectably and rape doesn't happen unless you really ask for it.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
September 16, 2014, 12:17:44 PM
A little background info for you. In Texas at that time you were required to attend school until you passed the 8th grade or turned 18, whichever came first. High School was optional. They weren't required to send me to high school, so they didn't. I was needed more in the family business.
The family business was a salt mine in Grand Saline, TX. and I got to shovel salt all day every day excluding Sundays. I tried to get out numerous times but could not get a court to grant my request for minor emancipation and social services would not move me to another Foster home. Running away really was not an option, because there is not much to run away to from Grand Saline. So I shoved salt until my 18th birthday when I borrowed enough money from the minister at the church we went to every Sunday to buy a bus ticket to Dallas and left.
1. I don't think he meant he himself was on heroine and waiting tables. More like a play on the service comparison and how age and vulnerability and drugs should be considered when making stupid, stereotypical entitled male judgements. The family business was a salt mine in Grand Saline, TX. and I got to shovel salt all day every day excluding Sundays. I tried to get out numerous times but could not get a court to grant my request for minor emancipation and social services would not move me to another Foster home. Running away really was not an option, because there is not much to run away to from Grand Saline. So I shoved salt until my 18th birthday when I borrowed enough money from the minister at the church we went to every Sunday to buy a bus ticket to Dallas and left.
September 16, 2014, 12:02:54 PM
A little background info for you. In Texas at that time you were required to attend school until you passed the 8th grade or turned 18, whichever came first. High School was optional. They weren't required to send me to high school, so they didn't. I was needed more in the family business.
The family business was a salt mine in Grand Saline, TX. and I got to shovel salt all day every day excluding Sundays. I tried to get out numerous times but could not get a court to grant my request for minor emancipation and social services would not move me to another Foster home. Running away really was not an option, because there is not much to run away to from Grand Saline. So I shoved salt until my 18th birthday when I borrowed enough money from the minister at the church we went to every Sunday to buy a bus ticket to Dallas and left.
The family business was a salt mine in Grand Saline, TX. and I got to shovel salt all day every day excluding Sundays. I tried to get out numerous times but could not get a court to grant my request for minor emancipation and social services would not move me to another Foster home. Running away really was not an option, because there is not much to run away to from Grand Saline. So I shoved salt until my 18th birthday when I borrowed enough money from the minister at the church we went to every Sunday to buy a bus ticket to Dallas and left.
September 16, 2014, 11:56:22 AM
Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.
I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.It is nice to know that the ones you congregate with don't cry in front of you. That's the nice thing about emotional baggage for a sex worker: if the Johns don't see it, it doesn't exist.
As to your situation at age 13, I wish I could have been waiting tables.
Growing up, I was moved from Foster home to Foster home. Some were good, and some were horrible. I was moved to my last one at age 12. Husband and wife who owned a small business. I lived with them until I was 18.
I graduated 8th grade at age 13, and immediately went to work in their family business.
September 15, 2014, 10:27:18 AM
Personal service work is not for the whiny ones, escorts, bartenders and waitresses included, amongst many others.Whiners don't last long in any service trade.
I remember when I was 13 and I ran away from home. Six months later I was living with someone twice my age, who told me I was loved, then shot me full of heroin and made me wait tables until I was too sore to walk. Dipshit...I'm sorry to hear that mate.
September 15, 2014, 10:20:02 AM
Personal service work is not for the whiny ones, escorts, bartenders and waitresses included, amongst many others.Whiners don't last long in any service trade.
I remember when I was 13 and I ran away from home. Six months later I was living with someone twice my age, who told me I was loved, then shot me full of heroin and made me wait tables until I was too sore to walk. Dipshit... September 15, 2014, 09:47:21 AM
Once again I am, as a father, a husband, a brother, and a son, absolutely disgusted and terrified by the things that apparently some guys find tolerable.
I am, as a father, a husband, an uncle, a brother, and a son, absolutely amazed at the level of stupidity and naiveté continuing to be exhibited by young ladies in situations where their instincts should tell them to have their guard and radar up and functioning.It is nice to know that the ones you congregate with don't cry in front of you. That's the nice thing about emotional baggage for a sex worker: if the Johns don't see it, it doesn't exist.
September 15, 2014, 09:39:43 AM
At Berkeley, Karasek said she remained worried that such ambiguity could be used to further hurt survivors and that requiring verbal consent would make it easier to “avoid the ‘he said, she said’ that college administrators try to make rape cases out to be.”
An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.
so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.
If people were to actually go along with this, it would finally legislate abstention. And probably no sex after marriage either. It's an impossible standard in the real world. Only an idiot would vote for it, so it has a reasonable chance to pass in California.An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.
so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.
September 15, 2014, 09:32:26 AM
At Berkeley, Karasek said she remained worried that such ambiguity could be used to further hurt survivors and that requiring verbal consent would make it easier to “avoid the ‘he said, she said’ that college administrators try to make rape cases out to be.”
An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.
so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.
If people were to actually go along with this, it would finally legislate abstention. And probably no sex after marriage either. It's an impossible standard in the real world. Only an idiot would vote for it, so it has a reasonable chance to pass in California.An estimated one in five women is sexually assaulted during college. Emma Sulkowicz says she was raped in her own bed. Photograph: Kristina Budelis for Guardian US Opinion We’ve come a long way in the last four decades on sexual assault, but this necessary shift to “yes means yes” will not be an easy one. (Let’s also not forget that it was just four years ago when male students from Yale University were caught on tape chanting “No means yes, yes means anal.”)
The feminist movement of the 70s shined a light on “date rape” – the most common kind of sexual assault that once went ignored is now widely-understood to be a pervasive problem. Twenty-one years ago, marital rape was still legal in some states, but now legislation decries the idea that marriage equals constant consent. Today, politicians and activists alike increasingly recognize that everything we did before is simply not enough: despite these shifts in policy and public perception, rape is still far too common – approximately one out of every five women is sexually assaulted in college.
And that’s just what’s reported, according to the White House. That’s just in America. That’s just in college.
When I spoke to Sulkowicz about her unofficial senior project – she calls it Mattress Performance: Carry That Weight – the brave 21-year-old said something I think most people who care about the issue of violence against women can relate to. “It’s going to be an endurance piece,” she said. In some ways, battling rape always has been.
so they are making a science out of saying yes or no to sex.
September 12, 2014, 04:58:09 PM
Carrying a mattress around constantly just seems like too much work. This woman should be talking to police, and, if they ignore her, keep going to higher levels of authority. I am sure there are plenty of organizations that would be interested in investigating why certain police forces ignore serial rapists in their jurisdiction.
Is there any information about whether any authorities outside of campus have even been contacted about this issue?
Is there any information about whether any authorities outside of campus have even been contacted about this issue?
Right now, only the press cares.
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