Topic: Communism: Pro and Cons (Read 2093 times)
Communism literally derives from "commune" meaning public, ultimately leading to become apart of the political party where power is meant to be communal or public. The "good" of communism is the fact that the gov. is controlled by the people FOR the people and not supposed to benefit any one person individually. The "bad" of it is that human error comes into play and with power comes possesion and lust for more; and to always be in control. So someone in power in a communist society can easily say fuck the people. It is not the system that doesn't work, it is the people notworking with the system. It is not the people that do not work, it is the system. We need to give rid of the social construct that is the government.
Communism was an ideal theory.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.
Don't think that it was an ideal theory. Even the basics were flawed and that is the reason it could never be successfully implemented across the globe. The communist nations such as China and Vietnam prospered only after they abandoned the Communist ideology.
China and vietnam have a planned economy with 5 year plans.
Where did we have that before??
Communism was an ideal theory.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.
Don't think that it was an ideal theory. Even the basics were flawed and that is the reason it could never be successfully implemented across the globe. The communist nations such as China and Vietnam prospered only after they abandoned the Communist ideology.
Pro: All those people you hate will starve to death
Con: All those people you love will starve to death
Pro: You'll make as much as your neighbor
Con: You'll make as much as your neighbor
Pro: You know what your life prospects are
Con: Your life prospects are shit
Pro: Everything is free
Con: The lines are free too, and they extend beyond your precinct's limits
Pro: You won't have to worry about those pesky student loans
Con: The job lottery gave you a job that has nothing to do with your specialization, also you want to die at all times of day
Pro: Nobody is richer than you
Con: Just kidding O Glorious Leader is infinitely wealthier than you are
Pro: Criminals can't get guns to kill people with
Con: The government has all the guns and kill people with them if they don't show up to work
Pro: You won't have to worry about buying your own books
Con: All the books are communist propaganda
Pro: No obesity epidemic
Con: You'll have to eat your own daughter when the food is "accidentally" distributed incorrectly
Con: All those people you love will starve to death
Pro: You'll make as much as your neighbor
Con: You'll make as much as your neighbor
Pro: You know what your life prospects are
Con: Your life prospects are shit
Pro: Everything is free
Con: The lines are free too, and they extend beyond your precinct's limits
Pro: You won't have to worry about those pesky student loans
Con: The job lottery gave you a job that has nothing to do with your specialization, also you want to die at all times of day
Pro: Nobody is richer than you
Con: Just kidding O Glorious Leader is infinitely wealthier than you are
Pro: Criminals can't get guns to kill people with
Con: The government has all the guns and kill people with them if they don't show up to work
Pro: You won't have to worry about buying your own books
Con: All the books are communist propaganda
Pro: No obesity epidemic
Con: You'll have to eat your own daughter when the food is "accidentally" distributed incorrectly
Communism was an ideal theory.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.
Don't think that it was an ideal theory. Even the basics were flawed and that is the reason it could never be successfully implemented across the globe. The communist nations such as China and Vietnam prospered only after they abandoned the Communist ideology.
Communism was an ideal theory.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.
It like other theories had some serious faults.
So, was never implemented.
Precisely. All the way back 1900 great thinkers predicted, that only way, that communism (ie. permanent redistribution of wealth and privileges) can work is through tight state control of free speech and even movement of individuals. Political loyalty takes precedence over personal capabilities, it is the opposite of meritocracy by design.
To justify that, you have to turn state in God, erasing any notion of separationf of church and state in the process. All the authority comes from the select few that run the state in name of the People and are not to be questioned. Communism as it was practiced was closer to theocracy, than anything else.
Lol
Because nothing changed since 1900 xD
Clearly the world hasn't changed AT ALL
Nothing has been developped to get rid of those problems. There is no actual possibility to give power to people now, your only solution is to have a god state like in USSR.
Clearly.
Obviously.
No other possibility.
Cause it's all like in 1900 right? xD
And according to you communism is a viable option. A completely sustainable system that will give power to the people...
That's pure bullshit IMO.
Communism is a flawed system that feeds the masses with ideas that ultimately lead to a downfall of any economy. Just go for a ride across Europe and see how former communist countries differ from the rest. The easiest way to see it is going from Austria or Switzerland to nearby Hungary.
Any time two people live together, we have some rudimentary form of communism.
I don't live in a communist country, though communists have been waging a war against us since like forever, bleeding us dry. They like to keep on pointing to China's success, forgetting it only became so when it adopted capitalist policies. Not to mention the inequality, which they can't complain about because it's not a democracy after all.
It seems it's all good in paper but is very hard to implement in reality because it goes against human drive to own and master the material.
It was lucky to those people that did not live or does not live in communist countries. While other countries develop in all directions, communist countries develop only in a military plan. Simple people there live very badly. It seems it's all good in paper but is very hard to implement in reality because it goes against human drive to own and master the material.
If the best communist practices could be 100% efficiently implemented in reality, it would be all pros and no cons.
But as people are not perfect - it is bound to end up in corruption and poverty sooner or later - so, no pros and all cons. It's just a disaster bound to happen.
But as people are not perfect - it is bound to end up in corruption and poverty sooner or later - so, no pros and all cons. It's just a disaster bound to happen.
People isn't perfect but that isn't what makes Communism a non-working fallacy of all cons and pros only to very few at the top of the pyramid. What makes it what it is is the fact that persons are different.
Being different it means that each one of us have a different set of likes, dislikes and interests, this commands the "value of things". If John likes bananas but no apples and Sue likes apples but not bananas therefore bananas will have a higher value to John and be worthless to Sue, in the opposite direction apples are a valuable item to Sue but worthless to John. The Free Market just assumes this simple truth of value floating based on demand, if more people wants a piece of an item and the more scarce is that item to the demand the higher will be its price.
The concept of equal distribution totally fails on assuming items values and making everyone to take it as same value, regardless on how much it worth to each individual.
Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. Communism is good.
In my opinion there are no pros and all cons. It is a really bad political doctrine.
But I don't want to influence your own opinions, so feel free to share your personal thoughts about communism.
I'd like to hear mainly people who lived under a communist regime, for example Eastern Europe people, Chinese ones, North Koreans (... I guess there are no North Koreans here btw
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I live in Indonesia, actually in the environment of Indonesia there is no communism before there is a communist party Indonesia (PKI)But I don't want to influence your own opinions, so feel free to share your personal thoughts about communism.
I'd like to hear mainly people who lived under a communist regime, for example Eastern Europe people, Chinese ones, North Koreans (... I guess there are no North Koreans here btw
)The communist party of indonesia (PKI) was founded on May 1914 its founder henk sneevliet.
This party incited most of the peasants and created hatred for the Muslims (islam)
They kill and torture the Muslim figures, they (PKI) are very cruel.
I was not alive when communism was happening but I could have concluded they were very cruel
I fancy the irony that supports Communism.
It's an ideology designed for dumb capitalist people. As the dumb are intrinsically greedy, they believe that if everybody splits their wealth with them - yes, they exclude themselves of the share as in their mind they're poor (even if they are millionaires) - they will get more stuff.
Obviously they will fail square on see the obvious, not only they will be on the "givers" side but that the split will not provide as many wealth as they think. For an instance Bill Gates' fortune is somewhere around 80 bln, as there're 7 bln people, if we do a fair split of his fortune everyone would be receiving something around 10 bucks... Ouch! Not much for those dream holidays and new car, isn't it?
It's an ideology designed for dumb capitalist people. As the dumb are intrinsically greedy, they believe that if everybody splits their wealth with them - yes, they exclude themselves of the share as in their mind they're poor (even if they are millionaires) - they will get more stuff.
Obviously they will fail square on see the obvious, not only they will be on the "givers" side but that the split will not provide as many wealth as they think. For an instance Bill Gates' fortune is somewhere around 80 bln, as there're 7 bln people, if we do a fair split of his fortune everyone would be receiving something around 10 bucks... Ouch! Not much for those dream holidays and new car, isn't it?
i still believe that in everything we do no matter how good our intentions are the effect would always be either negative or positive.
As with communism, it may sound good when you all share what each other has..
But when a corrupt politicians started to become selfish then it will be a different story..
Greed can turn humans into a monster...
And it has already been proven throughout history...
As with communism, it may sound good when you all share what each other has..
But when a corrupt politicians started to become selfish then it will be a different story..
Greed can turn humans into a monster...
And it has already been proven throughout history...
In my opinion there are no pros and all cons. It is a really bad political doctrine.
But I don't want to influence your own opinions, so feel free to share your personal thoughts about communism.
I'd like to hear mainly people who lived under a communist regime, for example Eastern Europe people, Chinese ones, North Koreans (... I guess there are no North Koreans here btw)
I lived at a communism to disintegration of the USSR. Time, when many got dressed identical, there were turns in shops. Money was, but to buy it was nothing, especially last years before disintegration. It was forbidden to see many films and listen western music. To my mind are bad times. But I don't want to influence your own opinions, so feel free to share your personal thoughts about communism.
I'd like to hear mainly people who lived under a communist regime, for example Eastern Europe people, Chinese ones, North Koreans (... I guess there are no North Koreans here btw
)I'm all for it. A few, and I do mean A FEW, holding most the wealth, and I do mean THE MOST, is simply sickening.
Regrettably Cryptocurrency doesn't necessarily change this. Look at BTC, moguls have BTC the rest has crumbs.
Regrettably Cryptocurrency doesn't necessarily change this. Look at BTC, moguls have BTC the rest has crumbs.
I disagree, ordinary money is controlled by the state, altcoins give the possibility for the people to get a safe currency which cant be dominated by the state.
I'm all for it. A few, and I do mean A FEW, holding most the wealth, and I do mean THE MOST, is simply sickening.
Regrettably Cryptocurrency doesn't necessarily change this. Look at BTC, moguls have BTC the rest has crumbs.
Regrettably Cryptocurrency doesn't necessarily change this. Look at BTC, moguls have BTC the rest has crumbs.
Precisely. All the way back 1900 great thinkers predicted, that only way, that communism (ie. permanent redistribution of wealth and privileges) can work is through tight state control of free speech and even movement of individuals. Political loyalty takes precedence over personal capabilities, it is the opposite of meritocracy by design.
To justify that, you have to turn state in God, erasing any notion of separationf of church and state in the process. All the authority comes from the select few that run the state in name of the People and are not to be questioned. Communism as it was practiced was closer to theocracy, than anything else.
Lol
Because nothing changed since 1900 xD
Clearly the world hasn't changed AT ALL
Nothing has been developped to get rid of those problems. There is no actual possibility to give power to people now, your only solution is to have a god state like in USSR.
Clearly.
Obviously.
No other possibility.
Cause it's all like in 1900 right? xD
I am not for communist because communism is bad for the countries economy eventhough it is pro poor or pro farmers. The economy will be bad if you always rely on the poor. It has negative effect in the future so I am from for capitalism because it is good both side the rich and the poor. The business man and the employer.
Actually the farmers get it the worst, the whole idea of Communism is to "seize the means of production". The state first claims the farmland (collectivization) then executes the feudal owners.
And don't you think that a poor person in the USA is better off than a poor person in Cuba, Venezuela or North Korea? So no, it's not actually better for poor people either, it just makes everyone poor so they're all equal in poverty.
I am not for communist because communism is bad for the countries economy eventhough it is pro poor or pro farmers. The economy will be bad if you always rely on the poor. It has negative effect in the future so I am from for capitalism because it is good both side the rich and the poor. The business man and the employer.
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