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Topic: COMMUNITY HORRIFIED BY PLAN TO BURN TIRES TO PRODUCE BITCOIN not a good situatio (Read 279 times)

legendary
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Filters could cut the emissions down to acceptable levels.  But I need 25 cu ft of rubber mulch and I still prefer mulching tires 🛞 not burning them.
how do you create rubber mulch out of tires? there's more than just rubber in them. there's metal wires.

You chop them mechanically into small pieces and then pass all that through a chamber with a magnetic field, all the steel is perfectly removed, quite a simple procedure. Here is a video on it this is a small-scale operation, but the main principles are the same. Compared to how aluminium cans are sorted this is nothing.

you mean like sulfer dioxide? i heard that stuff is dangerous.

NoX and SoX, all the compounds in those two families are things you don't want to breathe.

Cleaner and more environmental friendly sources of energy can always be sort, the environment is already very damaged, we do not need to contribute more to it. This company need to know that since they are crypto related, they will receive a lot of backlash for this kind of suggestion. They need not to have created the chance for this discussion in the first place. Burning tires should never have been an option.

Yeah, right, like the community will care.
The exact opposite will happen, they will start defending it with things like if they won't burn it then somebody else will so it's better if crypto miners do. Seen enough of this greenwashing happening around to know how this will turn into an textbook whataboutism defense!
sr. member
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Filters could cut the emissions down to acceptable levels.  But I need 25 cu ft of rubber mulch and I still prefer mulching tires 🛞 not burning them.
how do you create rubber mulch out of tires? there's more than just rubber in them. there's metal wires.
legendary
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I don't blame them. I wouldn't want tire smoke in my neighborhood either just so some bitcoin miner can make a few bucks...
When tires are burnt, they smell so bad and from how they smell, you do not need to be told that they are Hazardous to the health when exposed to it for an extended period of time. I consider it very unsafe and the permit that these company has demanded should not be given. If the permission is given, then corruption is at work again.

Some companies do business at the expense of some communities they do the business in and do not care how their industrial waste will affect the ecosystem of the community, and the people in the community where their business is being conducted, provided they keep making profits. It is very bad.

Cleaner and more environmental friendly sources of energy can always be sort, the environment is already very damaged, we do not need to contribute more to it. This company need to know that since they are crypto related, they will receive a lot of backlash for this kind of suggestion. They need not to have created the chance for this discussion in the first place. Burning tires should never have been an option.
legendary
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what would you do if a big bitcoin mining farm opened up right next to your house and thick black smoke was billowing up and enveloping your entire property 24/7? you wouldn't like bitcoin very much in that case i can guarantee you.
I, the community around me and the state etc would sue the crap out of them regardless of that the facility is doing/producing... In short, for decades *that* kind of pollution is no longer tolerated in most countries.

These days pollution tends to be not-so-visible gaseous emissions because particulates and smells are removed. As long as they follow the rules and regulations - no problem.

Filters could cut the emissions down to acceptable levels.  But I need 25 cu ft of rubber mulch and I still prefer mulching tires 🛞 not burning them.
sr. member
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I, the community around me and the state etc would sue the crap out of them regardless of that the facility is doing/producing...
good for you! that's what people should do.
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In short, for decades *that* kind of pollution is no longer tolerated in most countries.
maybe so but you can never let your guard down because the minute you do there's companies ready and willing to start burning tires to mine bitcoin i guess! so i guess these poor folks in the linked article need to find a good attorney.

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These days pollution tends to be not-so-visible gaseous emissions because particulates and smells are removed. As long as they follow the rules and regulations - no problem.
you mean like sulfer dioxide? i heard that stuff is dangerous.

kind of ironic in this very thread i'm seeing "BitcoinCleanup.com: Learn why Bitcoin isn't bad for the environment" as an advertisement  Shocked
legendary
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what would you do if a big bitcoin mining farm opened up right next to your house and thick black smoke was billowing up and enveloping your entire property 24/7? you wouldn't like bitcoin very much in that case i can guarantee you.
I, the community around me and the state etc would sue the crap out of them regardless of that the facility is doing/producing... In short, for decades *that* kind of pollution is no longer tolerated in most countries.

These days pollution tends to be not-so-visible gaseous emissions because particulates and smells are removed. As long as they follow the rules and regulations - no problem.
legendary
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So I have been doing a bunch of looking around and it seems that yes, people are using tire shred to boost the burn temp and some others things when burning other sub optimal materials. So although it is polluting it's polluting then just burning the tires or just burning the other stuff to make the steam for the generators.

But, from what few things I did find it's still a shit show of pollutants.

Not going to post links since I really don't know how accurate what I found was. But web searches do bring up some things.

-Dave
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I use solar not rubber tires. I have more than 2000 solar panels in various areas used for mining.

you're one of the good guys. the type of person i would want mining my transactions
legendary
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How many factories do it every year and pollute both your air and water anyway?
i dont know but  that doesn't mean i want more of them doing it.

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Do you end up using the same products?
not that i know of. in general i dont think i would support a company that wasn't environmentally conscious. just like i dont think we need to spending billions and trillions on nuclear weapons to destroy the world. i guess that's a different topic though.  

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Nothing new here. Except that it's talking about Bitcoin. Now that's on huge ass headline that will make climate activists' blood boil  Grin
as well it should. if this is what proof of work is all about is burning hazardous waste and polluting communities then I understand why proof of stake got pushed as an alternative. i guess now every tom dick and harry is going to be trying to find old tires on the sides of roads so they can go feed their antminer in their back yard.


I use solar not rubber tires. I have more than 2000 solar panels in various areas used for mining.
sr. member
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How many factories do it every year and pollute both your air and water anyway?
i dont know but  that doesn't mean i want more of them doing it.

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Do you end up using the same products?
not that i know of. in general i dont think i would support a company that wasn't environmentally conscious. just like i dont think we need to spending billions and trillions on nuclear weapons to destroy the world. i guess that's a different topic though.  

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Nothing new here. Except that it's talking about Bitcoin. Now that's on huge ass headline that will make climate activists' blood boil  Grin
as well it should. if this is what proof of work is all about is burning hazardous waste and polluting communities then I understand why proof of stake got pushed as an alternative. i guess now every tom dick and harry is going to be trying to find old tires on the sides of roads so they can go feed their antminer in their back yard.
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what would you do if a big bitcoin mining farm opened up right next to your house and thick black smoke was billowing up and enveloping your entire property 24/7? you wouldn't like bitcoin very much in that case i can guarantee you.
How many factories do it every year and pollute both your air and water anyway? Do you end up using the same products?

Nothing new here. Except that it's talking about Bitcoin. Now that's on huge ass headline that will make climate activists' blood boil  Grin
And please read my statement again, I did not say i support the burning of tires. My issue is the stupid current double standards.
sr. member
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Pennsylvania has so much fucking coal why burn the tires.
anything that spins the turbines i guess is fair game these days. bitcoin won't be making alot of friends with that type of thing though. people shouldn't have to be breathing smoke from tires powering bitcoin antminers.

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Shred them make some nice mulch with them.
or just retread them and let people drive on them.

just imagine if the entire world started burning tires. the earth would go into another ice age with all that thick black smoke blocking the sun's precious rays. all thanks to bitcoin...
legendary
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Pennsylvania has so much fucking coal why burn the tires.
Shred them make some nice mulch with them.

Ironic they are not even burning coal but coal waste.

So, Stronghold makes it in the news again, I swear these guys have the most outrageous ideas sometimes, they've managed to get away with the first thing as in "disposing" or coal waste and residue through some mumbo jumbo of regulations and by saying that burning the coal waste is better than leaving it like that, although everyone with a brain would realize that 1 meter of soil on top of that would have been the best eco-friendly solution but now...78,000 tons of tires a year!!!

One stupid stunt like this and nobody is buying that eco-friendly crap the bitcoin council was promoting.

I guess the question really is why? Tires are usually shredded and the rubber and metal recycled.
Not to mention the costs vs energy density. Tire rubber has a much lower energy density then a lot of other things so unless you have the tires onsite the cost to move them there is going to be high.

Tax credits for disposing of the tires?
I know they are a thing in the cement industry but I don't know much about the others, at least not in the US!

legendary
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Obviously, car tires are a hot topic these days, although some others use them in a completely different way Roll Eyes

From the fragments that fall from above, such folk wisdom can save, but the price of such protection is free. But crumb rubber is used in construction and manufacturing, and I have seen machines that process car tires into raw materials. But I didn't see tire burning plants because it pollutes the air a lot.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
I guess the question really is why? Tires are usually shredded and the rubber and metal recycled.

Not to mention the costs vs energy density. Tire rubber has a much lower energy density then a lot of other things so unless you have the tires onsite the cost to move them there is going to be high.

Seems like either it's a scam to get investors money OR it's an answer in search of a problem.

Remember all you are doing is burning something to create heat, to create steam to turn the turbines in the generator. There are better things to burn...

-Dave

Pennsylvania has so much fucking coal why burn the tires.

Shred them make some nice mulch with them.
legendary
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I tried to find a better source for this story, and you can read it ----> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/31/bitcoin-mining-plan-pennsylvania-tire-burning

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Stronghold has been burning coal waste to create cheap power for cryptocurrency since 2021, when it bought the Panther Creek power plant in Nesquehoning, Pennsylvania. It is a controversial approach because although the removal of coal waste can help remediate contaminated land, the process emits greenhouse gases and other harmful chemicals. It can take twice as much waste coal to produce the same amount of electricity that regular coal would produce.

The company also says it sometimes needs to burn tire-derived fuel – made of shredded vehicle tires – to make the combustion of waste-coal more efficient.

From what I understand, it is a plan to improve the efficiency of burning coal waste by burning tire-derived fuel - made from shredded car tires - and perhaps the reason for this is that the quality of coal waste is low.
In general, this company receives government subsidies, and I do not think that it will present a stupid plan that will lead to public discontent, especially since its field is burning coal waste and it has a temporary permit.
legendary
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I guess the question really is why? Tires are usually shredded and the rubber and metal recycled.

Not to mention the costs vs energy density. Tire rubber has a much lower energy density then a lot of other things so unless you have the tires onsite the cost to move them there is going to be high.

Seems like either it's a scam to get investors money OR it's an answer in search of a problem.

Remember all you are doing is burning something to create heat, to create steam to turn the turbines in the generator. There are better things to burn...

-Dave
legendary
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It is hard for me to imagine that someone could come up with such a stupid idea, especially since the news does not come from a third world country, but from the US. Far from the fact that there are only roses blooming and honey flowing in the streams, but the people who thought of it never seem to have felt the stench that arises when burning rubber. To me, it seems like the idea of some third-rate manager who wanted to prove himself as someone who can make a profit out of garbage.

Obviously, car tires are a hot topic these days, although some others use them in a completely different way Roll Eyes

sr. member
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Another company already did a similar thing in the past, which begs the question if the lobbying is not strong enough or if the company went bankrupt before any harm was done. CMIIW.

probably all the people at the plant got sick from smelling black smoke all day long... Shocked and went on some type of leave of absense a long one.
legendary
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So if I read this correctly, the company already asked for permission and the regulation is allowing them to do it? Sounds like the key issue is the terrible regulation related to environmental concerns. Whether they want to use it to mine or not, a similar debate will arise if the law is not changed. Looks like this is not the first time either. Another company already did a similar thing in the past, which begs the question if the lobbying is not strong enough or if the company went bankrupt before any harm was done. CMIIW.
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