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Topic: Comparing bitcoin halvings - 2012 to 2020 - and now looking ahead to 2024 - page 2. (Read 357 times)

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The trend is clear but I don't think that it is necessarily fair to extrapolate this into future performance.

Bitcoin is getting saturated for sure as institutional adoption has already happened and retail investors are already well aware.

There will still be long term growth, but definitely don't expect anything crazy like we've seen over the past decade.

Well, I agree, I'm definitely extrapolating far beyond what the data truly supports, however, as I said above some long-term steady growth would be great.  Of course a parabolic rise to half a million bucks would also be OK.
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Understand the charts and they may be logical, but the problem remains in estimating the top, which seems very little, as we tested the level of $68k, which means that if we break that top, we will not stop at $77k as you remember.
Also, in the previous halving, the price rose from 10k to 20k in a short time, and therefore it is logical to say that the rise from 70 thousand to 140k will be very fast.

In general, this cycle appears to be special and may be different from the previous ones or break the pattern. Cheesy

I'm not really convinced that follows - we recently broke the $66k "top" and only went to $69k, so its perfectly possible for bitcoin to exceed a previous high by a little and then fall back.

Regarding this cycle vs previous ones: what I think we might be starting to see is a smoothing out of the waves in the four-year cycle and a move towards a steadier mode of price discovery.  Obviously if we get another 84% drop after the high then that argument will be utterly crushed!

Whether this analysis proves right or not I do think it would be positive in the long run for Bitcoin to move away from massive-steep-rise-followed-by-massive-steep-fall towards slow steady incremental increases over time.

But I'd also add, I'm not presenting this as some magical forecast that I'm wholly invested in, it's simply looking at some data and showing a contrast to those people who say "we haven't had a parabolic rise like we had before, so we haven't seen the top yet", maybe there won't be one this time.
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a great record for gauging the future price of bitcoin. if this condition can be real it is very likely that in 2022 bitcoin can penetrate the new ATH. This note can be applied in short-term and long-term trading.
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Hey, great post but:

First I don’t think there is enough data to use the prior halvings to predict future halvings..

I think it doesn't matter what data you have. You can't predict future price behavior. Models can give you an idea, but this is not an algorithm. We've seen enough models fail this year, and with the stock market it's the same thing. Models are useful to get an idea, and better to explain the past than to predict the future, which, when they do, is usually more by chance than by causality.

Too many things can happen in the real world that are not included in the models and influence the price.
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The trend is clear but I don't think that it is necessarily fair to extrapolate this into future performance.

Bitcoin is getting saturated for sure as institutional adoption has already happened and retail investors are already well aware.

There will still be long term growth, but definitely don't expect anything crazy like we've seen over the past decade.
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This kind of prediction is more on the reality than for those random people who keep telling above $200,000 prediction or even $100,000 on the end of 2021.
With this kind of basis, the year 2022 and basis is bitcoin block halving which is already proven for the period of time, this is more realistic. Healthy price action will result in a positive run.

I can share it also here the countdown for Bitcoin block halvings: https://www.bitcoinblockhalf.com/


yes, it is. at least his next ATH target is 77k, which for me is very possible to happen. would like to remember this thread next year and see where we are at his chart. the 100k prediction before the year ends seems going far.
but who knows, in this market, we are always surprised by what things turned out to be? anyway, everyone can make his own prediction chart accdg to the factors he wants in play. so more then likely, this will just be one of those speculative charts that we will encounter of
legendary
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This kind of prediction is more on the reality than for those random people who keep telling above $200,000 prediction or even $100,000 on the end of 2021.
With this kind of basis, the year 2022 and basis is bitcoin block halving which is already proven for the period of time, this is more realistic. Healthy price action will result in a positive run.

I can share it also here the countdown for Bitcoin block halvings: https://www.bitcoinblockhalf.com/
legendary
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Understand the charts and they may be logical, but the problem remains in estimating the top, which seems very little, as we tested the level of $68k, which means that if we break that top, we will not stop at $77k as you remember.
Also, in the previous halving, the price rose from 10k to 20k in a short time, and therefore it is logical to say that the rise from 70 thousand to 140k will be very fast.

In general, this cycle appears to be special and may be different from the previous ones or break the pattern. Cheesy
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Lets hope your calculation and prediction would be correct.

I might be having a wrong vision, but I remember, a lot of people awaited, that after halving Bitcoin price would immediately grow.But last year, such thing did not happen.And as I remember, price of Bitcoin was in "sort of a depression" last year. So most were disappointed with halving or with the whole year. I think that same thing will happen with next halving. Price wont really change. The price on "5 June 2022" is going to be the same as the price of Bitcoin on December 2021-January 2022.

The Bitcoin price increased from 10K to 35K USD several months after the halving.The price increase was caused by bullish news about Microstrategy and Paypal adopting BTC,so the halving didn't have a direct impact.
I remember that there was a small price pump before the 2020 halving,which ended after the halving.
Anyway,I don't believe that the June 2022 BTC price will be the same as the January 2022 BTC price.
A 6 months time frame is just too long for a volatile asset like BTC to maintain a stable price.
Bitcoin Halvings don't have a direct influence over the Bitcoin price.Actually their influence is decreasing even further.The 2024 BTC halving won't matter at all for the 2024 Bitcoin price.
 
legendary
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Lets hope your calculation and prediction would be correct.

I might be having a wrong vision, but I remember, a lot of people awaited, that after halving Bitcoin price would immediately grow. But last year, such thing did not happen. And as I remember, price of Bitcoin was in "sort of a depression" last year. So most were disappointed with halving or with the whole year. I think that same thing will happen with next halving. Price wont really change. The price on "5 June 2022" is going to be the same as the price of Bitcoin on December 2021-January 2022.
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Comparing the halvings.

This is an expanded version of a post from the Sumer dip price guessing thread:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58567206

The thread compares and contrasts bitcoin price behaviour between the three halvings we have seen so far: 2012, 2016 and (partly) 2020.

First some basic data:



Note, there is a bit of rounding in prices, dates, etc.

The first point of interest is that the halvings are somewhat less than the expected four years apart – 2016 was 3 years and 7 months after the 2012 halving; 2020 was 3 years and 10  months after 2016.  This is not entirely surprising as there has been a pretty steady increase in hashrate over Bitcoin’s life and so mostly each difficulty adjustment will have arrived early.

Next, let’s consider what proportion of the total supply had been mined at the date of each halving:



Key point here is that because the rate of emission halves each time, the number of coins affected gets rapidly smaller: and the proportion of new coins issued, starts to become trivial: in the current epoch less than 7% of the total supply will be mined against the 88% already mined and in circulation.  Accordingly the impact of each halving is likely to be smaller and potentially take longer.

If we add in the subsequent highs and lows after each halving:



As expected much higher highs, and significantly higher lows.

But add in the time taken to reach the highs and the relative increases (over the price at halving):



We can see that the high takes longer to arrive: 526 days vs 366 or 1.44x longer
And the relative increase has reduced: 103x vs 30x or about 29% of the increase

For completeness add in similar figures for the following lows:



Interesting to see that the falls are very similar, if anything faster after the 2016 halving, but the impact almost identical  (note they aren't actually identical its just the rounding took them both to 84%).

So can we use this data to predict the highs and lows for this halving?

Probably not … 😉 … there are really only two data points here which isn’t enough to draw a proper projection, but let’s do it anyway.

If we assume:
a.   Each high takes 1.44x as long to arrive after the halving as the one before;
b.   Each high is proportionately 30% as great as the one before;
c.   Lows take about a year to arrive (388 days is the average) after the high
d.   Lows result in an 84% drop
We get the following, predictions are in BLUE



So in short:

First I don’t think there is enough data to use the prior halvings to predict future halvings, but if we are going to try to do that we ought to at least use the data we have.  The data we have suggests that the impact of each halving will be smaller than the one before, as the proportion of the total supply that is affected by the halving reduces over time.

Extrapolating forward from the 2012 and 2016 halving suggests that the next “high” will be in June 2022 and will be around $77,000.

Here’s the whole post summarised in a handy chart (with thanks to mikeywith for the underlying chart to which I added this speculation):




(Edited to tidy up the tables and stop the wrapping which was annoying me.)


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