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Topic: Competing nodes - List of BTC implementations in competition for the Blockchain (Read 4499 times)

staff
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Bitcoin Knots v0.13.0.knots20160814
https://github.com/bitcoinknots/bitcoin/blob/0.13.x-knots/doc/release-notes.md
https://bitcoinknots.org/files/0.13.x/0.13.0.knots20160814/


Also, a part of the market is proposing the idea of forking/forks without a voting/trigger system:
http://bitcoinforks.org/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Btcfork

The main rule of these possible future forks is that all of them will maintain the current blockchain until a block X, then they will fork.
So holders will have the same amount of coins on all blockchains, at the time of the fork. (the current and the new one)
These proposed forks will also maintain intact the main economic rules, as the 21M amount of bitcoin and the current inflation velocity.
staff
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Merit: 1209
I support freedom of choice
staff
Activity: 4270
Merit: 1209
I support freedom of choice
staff
Activity: 4270
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I support freedom of choice
legendary
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Merit: 1001
So it will be automatically democratic?
I don't think that "democratic" is the right word.
On Bitcoin it isn't 1 opinion = 1 vote.

The value of the opinions of some worth more than others, but anyway everything is market driven.
Someone, even if he is someone with a huge following, he can't "force" other to follow his will if this is really against their interest.
Moreover, if he tries that, users will just move on other currencies.

Both nodes and miners (but nodes come first) should want this change.

I would call Bitcoin largely meritocratic. Miners that produce valid blocks quickly have a larger vote on the system than those that produce invalid blocks or at a relatively slower rate.

There isn't as direct of a metric as mining hashrate, but one could say the same meritocratic influence exists for large exchanges and their largest customers, etc. The largest traders will be able to influence exchanges more so than smaller traders. Large exchanges influence miners and other participants that they conduct on-chain transactions with, etc. Developers that write code that is accepted by other devs and ultimately users get a stronger 'vote' based on their work, etc.
staff
Activity: 4270
Merit: 1209
I support freedom of choice
So it will be automatically democratic?
I don't think that "democratic" is the right word.
On Bitcoin it isn't 1 opinion = 1 vote.

The value of the opinions of some worth more than others, but anyway everything is market driven.
Someone, even if he is someone with a huge following, he can't "force" other to follow his will if this is really against their interests.
Moreover, if he tries that, users will just move on other currencies.

Both nodes and miners (but nodes come first) should want this change.
newbie
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Merit: 0
So my question is will this create giant forks and if so, how will it be determined which one is "Bitcoin" and which ones are not?
So far its quite puzzling to me. Thanks.
With Classic possible fork, it could happen 28 days after 750/1000 blocks signed as BIP102.
I said it "could" because miners aren't forced to make bigger blocks, anyway after these 28 days Classic nodes will start accepting bigger blocks.

Bitcoin then (after the possible fork) will be the chain with more work.

So it will be automatically democratic?
staff
Activity: 4270
Merit: 1209
I support freedom of choice
So my question is will this create giant forks and if so, how will it be determined which one is "Bitcoin" and which ones are not?
So far its quite puzzling to me. Thanks.
With Classic possible fork, it could happen 28 days after 750/1000 blocks signed as BIP102.
I said it "could" because miners aren't forced to make bigger blocks, anyway after these 28 days Classic nodes will start accepting bigger blocks.

Bitcoin then (after the possible fork) will be the chain with more work.
newbie
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So I am curious now to what will happen when serious amounts of hashpower start splitting consensus.
I see pools are supporting this in a 'voting style' like slush making pools for each to let the miner vote with their hashpower.


So my question is will this create giant forks and if so, how will it be determined which one is "Bitcoin" and which ones are not?
So far its quite puzzling to me. Thanks.
copper member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1528
No I dont escrow anymore.
Is the problem on Bitcoin or in this single linux scanner?
How much bigger is the problem now?
How much does it cost to fix it on possible disadvantages?

No, I dont think its a significant problem now. It might become more pressing in the future. I doubt windows will stay the prominent OS, thus new viruses will emerge for Linux and MacOS and more snake oil will be sold to users to protect them.

However, it isn't a removed feature, it is just disabled by default.
If someone will need it, he will be able to enable it again whenever he wants.

Disabled or enabled it doesn't change the experience of the other users/nodes of the network.

I dont disagree with you. I just missed the downsides when I read the patch notes.
staff
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Is the problem on Bitcoin or in this single linux scanner?
How much bigger is the problem now?
How much does it cost to fix it on possible disadvantages?

However, it isn't a removed feature, it is just disabled by default.
If someone will need it, he will be able to enable it again whenever he wants.

Disabled or enabled it doesn't change the experience of the other users/nodes of the network.
copper member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1528
No I dont escrow anymore.
@shorena
Maybe they thought that could be a problem from retro compatibility with older versions, but it is still be possible to enable it.

EDIT
From Tom Zander on Slack
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its an awful idea to make everyones chainstate unreadable by older or competing software while this only happens on Windows (not exactly the most used server platform) and then only on machines that have a crappy virus killer (which practically no servers do have).

Makes sense, but the problem is not limited to windows only. There is at least one[1] linux scanner that also detects virus signatures in the chainstate folder. I suspect that it will be a problem for all OS in the future.

[1] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/found-8-virus-on-chainstate-1388201
staff
Activity: 4270
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@shorena
Maybe they thought that could be a problem from retro compatibility with older versions, but it is still be possible to enable it.

EDIT
From Tom Zander on Slack
Quote
its an awful idea to make everyones chainstate unreadable by older or competing software while this only happens on Windows (not exactly the most used server platform) and then only on machines that have a crappy virus killer (which practically no servers do have).
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