Topic: Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings - page 75. (Read 25423 times)

They cannot leave trust comments. I am not sure about the other two.

There is an argument a banned person (especially who is permabanned) should not have their votes counted for DT, and a separate argument that they should be excluded from DT2 (being excluded from DT1 will happen on its own). This is similar to how someone who does something bad enough that their freedom is taken away, also looses the right to vote.

Can a banned member still change their Trust setting? Also, can a banned member still leave trust comments? Can they delete their trust comments?

I can't tell, but it's the first one I've seen.

If he stays banned, he'll drop out of DT1 on the next update. Until then, he could be excluded by other DT1s, but will still keep his existing voting rights for other DT1s.

Is this the first time DT1 member banned in the forum? I have not seen Ban Appeal from lovesmayfamilis. It is abnormal but somehow shows that every one almost being treated fairly in the forum. Anyway, it is interesting to see how the case of DT1 banned member will be solved, and this ban's reasons.

I've updated the first 4 posts in this topic, overwriting the old list. I won't keep historic changes by adding more lists weekly (I have my Trust list viewer for that).

Changes
Last week

• 3 banned DT2 members
• 95 DT2 members without any earned Merit.
• 376 DT2 members in total

Now

• 1 banned DT1 member
• 5 banned DT2 members
• 94 DT2 members without any earned Merit.
• 376 DT2 members in total (unchanged)

Small bug: banned DT1-members also show up in the DT2-list.

I have to say thank you to you for your hard works as usual. I visited your post there: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50936358
And found that 94 DT2 members (from #283 to #376, out of 376 in your list) have not earned a single merit so far. Those users equal to exactly 25%, that is a significant proportion, that should be considered.

I'm of the opinion that we need to have more restrictions on the DT1 and DT2 qualifications.  If there were merit requirements for being listed on either that seems like it could help the situation, and possibly reduce the ability of a lynch mob from hijacking the system.

I would like to suggest that DT1 members must have a minimum of 100 earned merit.  That wouldn't change the the DT1 landscape too much, and only restrict a few users who are currently listed.

The other suggestion I'd like to make is that to be listed on DT2 you must have a minimum of two votes from DT1 members (LoyceV's suggestion,) and a minimum 10 earned merit.

I'm not trying to make the DT system less inclusive, or more centralized.  Adding these restrictions will make it harder for people to get on the DT list, but that's not a bad thing.  Ensuring that the folks who make it to DT are constructive, contributory members who care about the forum will help keep the DT system functional and pertinent.  

Sorry, that took me longer than expected.

I made 2 versions:
Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings - sorted by Merit
DT 1
    1. 35: theymos (Trust: 199: -0 / +21) (DT1! (49) 4407 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. 459836: LoyceV (Trust: 113: -0 / +16) (DT1! (48) 2635 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. 1582324: DdmrDdmr (Trust: 4: -0 / +1) (DT1! (11) 2102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. 234771: suchmoon (Trust: 68: -0 / +11) (DT1! (44) 2040 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. 487418: The Pharmacist (Trust: 181: -0 / +21) (DT1! (34) 1813 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. 1188543: o_e_l_e_o (Trust: 5: -0 / +3) (DT1! (17) 1717 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. 290195: achow101 (Trust: 40: -0 / +4) (DT1! (15) 1326 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. 11425: gmaxwell (Trust: 140: -0 / +14) (DT1! (26) 1191 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. 698159: Jet Cash (Trust: 32: -0 / +4) (DT1! (10) 1133 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. 30747: Vod (Trust: 201: -0 / +25) (DT1! (35) 1117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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   75. 410541: MaoChao (Trust: 16: -0 / +4) (DT1! (5) 102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   76. 160943: greenplastic (Trust: 435: -0 / +47) (DT1! (20) 101 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   77. 224980: cryptodevil (Trust: 65: -0 / +8) (DT1! (17) 99 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   78. 396526: ezeminer (Trust: 204: -0 / +21) (DT1! (13) 88 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   79. 485285: WhiteManWhite (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (1) 62 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   80. 162384: hedgy73 (Trust: 210: -0 / +21) (DT1! (2) 50 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   81. 189967: buckrogers (Trust: 124: -0 / +13) (DT1! (10) 42 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   82. 31931: Anduck (Trust: 3: -1 / +18) (DT1! (8) 41 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   83. 18640: SebastianJu (Trust: 243: -0 / +25) (DT1! (10) 33 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   84. 23092: malevolent (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (DT1! (4) 32 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

DT 2
    1. 1067333: micgoossens (Trust: 55: -0 / +14) (1818 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. 3: satoshi (Trust: 220: -0 / +26) (1747 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. 479624: Last of the V8s (Trust: 7: -0 / +2) (1570 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. 397737: hilariousetc (Trust: 27: -0 / +3) (1495 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. 120694: xhomerx10 (Trust: 16: -0 / +2) (1104 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. 181806: HairyMaclairy (Trust: 6: -0 / +2) (1077 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. 1878246: abhiseshakana (Trust: neutral) (1043 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. 188198: Piggy (Trust: neutral) (1031 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. 1275282: joniboini (Trust: neutral) (975 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. 867786: HCP (Trust: 19: -0 / +2) (900 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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  367. 107601: pmorici (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  368. 1059684: RealHummer (Trust: 70: -0 / +7) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  369. 105603: dwdoc (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  370. 104532: gudmunsn (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  371. 104052: Kushedout (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  372. 1040400: btcapollo (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  373. 1037629: BitBot.V2 (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  374. 103680: chanberg (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  375. 102694: trepex (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  376. 100430: mavrick951 (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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Complete overview of users on DT1 and DT2 and their ratings - sorted by userID
DT 1
    1. 35: theymos (Trust: 199: -0 / +21) (DT1! (49) 4407 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. 11425: gmaxwell (Trust: 140: -0 / +14) (DT1! (26) 1191 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. 18312: phantastisch (Trust: 119: -0 / +12) (DT1! (4) 241 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. 18321: OgNasty (Trust: 20: -5 / +57) (DT1! (0) 654 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. 18640: SebastianJu (Trust: 243: -0 / +25) (DT1! (10) 33 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. 23092: malevolent (Trust: 20: -0 / +2) (DT1! (4) 32 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. 24140: qwk (Trust: 130: -0 / +15) (DT1! (31) 977 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. 30747: Vod (Trust: 201: -0 / +25) (DT1! (35) 1117 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. 31931: Anduck (Trust: 3: -1 / +18) (DT1! (8) 41 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. 51173: mprep (Trust: 70: -0 / +7) (DT1! (19) 349 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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   75. 1580039: asche (Trust: 58: -0 / +10) (DT1! (10) 561 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   76. 1582324: DdmrDdmr (Trust: 4: -0 / +1) (DT1! (11) 2102 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   77. 1668017: anonymousminer (Trust: 72: -0 / +12) (DT1! (13) 323 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   78. 1762404: Alex_Sr (Trust: 4: -0 / +3) (DT1! (13) 706 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   79. 1825672: morvillz7z (Trust: 0: -0 / +1) (DT1! (8) 524 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   80. 1855828: taikuri13 (Trust: 4: -0 / +1) (DT1! (8) 576 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   81. 1980983: Coolcryptovator (Trust: 25: -0 / +8) (DT1! (15) 641 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   82. 1982152: lovesmayfamilis (Trust: 6: -0 / +4) (DT1! (1) 451 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   83. 2143453: 1miau (Trust: 8: -0 / +1) (DT1! (7) 841 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   84. 2204241: ICOEthics (Trust: 55: -0 / +14) (DT1! (23) 658 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)


DT 2
    1. 3: satoshi (Trust: 220: -0 / +26) (1747 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    2. 4: sirius (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (4 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    3. 198: allinvain (Trust: 24: -0 / +3) (53 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    4. 224: Gavin Andresen (Trust: neutral) (19 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    5. 576: Syke (Trust: neutral) (28 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    6. 1268: nanotube (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    7. 2285: mikegogulski (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    8. 2676: casascius (Trust: 60: -0 / +6) (42 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
    9. 2759: midnightmagic (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (16 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
   10. 2786: Pieter Wuille (Trust: 10: -0 / +1) (6 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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  367. 1897580: curt999 (Trust: 6: -0 / +2) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  368. 2003707: kawetsriyanto (Trust: neutral) (252 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  369. 2003859: DireWolfM14 (Trust: 17: -0 / +5) (432 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  370. 2005913: Corrosive (Trust: 28: -0 / +5) (118 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  371. 2033515: mikeywith (Trust: 3: -0 / +1) (780 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  372. 2085659: MbyzIco (Trust: neutral) (118 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  373. 2148411: DIKUL (Trust: neutral) (87 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  374. 2277632: praine (Trust: 12: -0 / +2) (8 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  375. 2359691: Helana (Trust: neutral) (59 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
  376. 2518540: jackbauercsgo (Trust: 19: -0 / +7) (36 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

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Note that there are 2 less DT2s now, compared to when I started this topic.

Ah, you are right, fella. I meant it is one of indicators to point out potential 'fake'/ low quality DT2 members, it is a start, like you said. I meant if a real quality users have still been actively posting in the forum last year. It is abnormal to see them even have not received a single merit, or every limited merits. DT members, somehow, are high quality posters, compared to average users in the forum. So, they should received merits more than average users, or at least at acceptable rates.
Even they are more actively in collectibles, they can get easily get merits from such areas. Merits are not scarce.

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I actually did not misunderstand the terms and roles between Trust and Merit.

Thanks for giving another example on why merits cannot be directly related to being trusted in the forum. I just got disturbed a little on why tranthidung got suspicious about a lot of DT members not having merits. Yes maybe detecting unworthy DT members who have slipped through the cracks by looking at their merits might be a start but criticizing them solely because of not receiving or having any merits at all is an entirely wrong way to look at DT members and the DT system as a whole.

Having merit means you have made “good” posts, while being on DT means you can generally be trusted, specifically to give good/fair/appropriate ratings. Or at least this is what these should mean.

I met someone a year or two ago who created his account *solely* to trade with others in the forum and that is quite literally all he did (I assume he also read some threads). He created his account, got locked out, and created an alt account to recover his first one, and his second account had total active time of several days and had a fair amount of positive trust from trades done on the second account. I believe I met him prior to the merit system being implemented, however he would obviously have no merit (he had zero posts) but appeared to be generally trustworthy. ETA - it was this guy https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fanwolf-515678 and his first account was https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wolfbite-406863

I wouldn't jump to conclusions and judge a DT member just because he/she haven't earned any merits so far. After all our trust is mostly based in transactions being done within the forum not by the quality of our posts here, what will make it wrong though is if we just make high merit earners a DT member just because of the post quality they have. DT members such as Carra23, ndnh, Eodguy149, and devthedev have been active in the forum in terms of running campaigns, buying/selling in the market place, buying cryptocurrencies with Paypal, and doing escrows all of them have 0 merits but they are trusted because of the successful transactions they have made. So I hope before you get suspicious at them having 0 merits just look at their trust summary before you judge them.

Yeah, that makes it more obvious than the way I phrased it. Quote away.

Agreed, but I think the merit requirement is appropriate as well. Since both DT1 and DT2 ratings appear exactly the same if you are using default trust, I think the same minimum merit requirement (and a similar not-inactive requirement) needed for DT1 should also apply to DT2. Minimum of 10 earned merit and a minimum of 2 inclusions from DT1.

Thanks, I hadn't looked into it, but this makes a lot of sense. I'll quote you in the OP.
I edited your quote, do you agree?


I'd say 2 inclusions from DT2 would help a lot. DT1 needs at least 10 votes from users with earned Merit, so 2 votes from DT1 isn't that much to ask for.

Wait for it.........

182 Accounts were the DT2 list

Source my old thread <3 Is the Default trust system still working/active?

It's sorted based on the highest ranked DT1's trust list in which they appear. The DT1s are sorted based on account age.

The first 34 entries are all included on theymos' trust list. The next 32 (from 35 - 66) are on gmaxwell's trust list. The next 17 (67 - 83) are on phantastisch's trust list. And so on. It obviously doesn't display duplicates. It also doesn't matter if a user is trusted or distrusted by the DT1 member in question - if they are anywhere on their trust list, they will be grouped under that user. For example, Gavin Andresen is number 36, under gmaxwell's group, despite being excluded by gmaxwell.

In short, it's most likely just the way LoyceV's script collected the data. It's totally arbitrary and means nothing.

This is too high considering the threshold for DT1 is only 10 merit. I think either 10 for both, or perhaps 25 or 50 for DT1 and 10 for DT2 would be reasonable.

Wow, I don't even recognize most of those DT2 members, and I don't think I'd ever seen a list of them since all the new DT1 members were added.  Here's hoping they're actually trustworthy, realize the responsibility that being on DT entails, and leave feedback responsibly.   They can obviously be voted off DT2 if there's a good reason, but with that many members it could be a pain in the ass keeping tabs on how their DT "performance" is.

Thanks for the excellent compilation as always, LoyceV.

Yep, there are definitely a lot but the list doesn't look too bad to me.  At least there aren't any members that caught my attention as possible problems--but time will tell.

Small question and suggestion:
- I look back and forth but I don't know which indicator you use to sort out DT2 member list. It is not sorted out based on ID numbers, or total trust points. Please explain why you sorted DT2 member list liked this?
- It might be good if you can make a list of only DT2 member whom did not earn a signed merit so far, rather than a mixture like current list. It is ridiculous when a real DT2 member has not been able to earn a single merit so far, especially if still being actively in the forum last year.
- In my opinion, a threshold at 25 merit over last year is minimum one to judge quality of DT2 member. The threshold should be higher, 50 or 100. I would prefer to choose the threshold at 100 earned merits.

100-ish is a number that I recall for some reason.

We're now approaching that many in DT1. Inflation.

Pretty sure there were a LOT less people on DT2 back then.

I only found out about Maggiordomo by accident a few weeks ago. Love it!