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Topic: Computer Scientists say Crypto Industry is Misleading??? - page 3. (Read 655 times)

legendary
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This is a problem I've been talking about for a couple of years now. A large number of shitcoins were created and some people looking from outside look at the whole thing that is also overshadowing bitcoin so they end up judging the whole thing and make an statement about the whole thing that includes thousands of shitcoins.
In other words they look at altcoins and judge bitcoin!

Otherwise every single statement they made is wrong a bout bitcoin but 100% correct about altcoins. Not just that, we've been saying pretty much the same things about altcoins ourselves, we didn't need some outsiders comment on them.
hero member
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It's not secure, it's not decentralized. Any system where you forget your password and you lose your life savings is not a safe system.

I agree with Solosanz, and I guess others (Who know about Bitcoin) will be agreed. About password, This is the reason almost every Wallet and software suggest you store your keys safely. If you cannot take the risk, You shouldn't drive a bike or car too. It has the chance of a crash, and you may die. What a non-sense theory.


When someone forgets his password and lose life savings, its not the system's fault, its his fault that he didn't remember it.

When someone can just reset the password after recovering from an administrator of a system, then that's what a centralize system is. Which is also what decentralized system were trying to eliminate due to the risk from administrator's judgement like these scientists.
legendary
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  • "The claims that the blockchain advocates make are not true. It’s not secure, it’s not decentralized. Any system where you forget your password and you lose your life savings is not a safe system.”

Nonsense. You can forget the whereabouts of your gold and lose it, does that mean gold is not safe?

  • “We urge you to resist pressure from digital asset industry financiers, lobbyists and boosters to create a regulatory safe haven for these risky, flawed and unproven digital financial instruments"

I don't understand the motive here. Can't comment on this.

  • "Crypto-assets have been the vehicle for unsound and highly volatile speculative investment schemes that are being actively promoted to retail investors who may be unable to understand their nature and risk.”

Not sure about "unsound" but crypto is definitely very volatile and It is indeed being actively promoted to retail investors. And again, it is true that most investors don't have an idea of what they are doing. So, I pretty much agree with this.

  • The computational power behind blockchain is the equivalent of what one could do in a centralized way with a $100 computer.

If you want a centralized server you can have one for $100. The price for decentralization is much higher. So?

  • “We’re essentially wasting millions of dollars worth of equipment because we’ve decided that we don’t trust the banking system.”

Banking system did this to themselves. If he don't like crypto, he don't have to participate.

What about your view on these statements?

He has some legit concerns but the rest of the world won't care and crypto will do its thing anyway.





legendary
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Here is the letter:

Dear U.S. Congressional Leadership, Committee Chairs and Ranking Members,

We are 26 computer scientists, software engineers, and technologists who have spent decades working in these fields producing innovative and effective products for a variety of applications in database technology, cryptography, open-source software, and financial technology applications.

Today, we write to you urging the Committee to take a critical, skeptical approach toward industry claims that crypto-assets (sometimes called cryptocurrencies, crypto tokens, or web3) are an innovative technology that is unreservedly good. We urge you to resist pressure from digital asset industry financiers, lobbyists, and boosters to create a regulatory safe haven for these risky, flawed, and unproven digital financial instruments and to instead take an approach that protects the public interest and ensures technology is deployed in genuine service to the needs of ordinary citizens.

We strongly disagree with the narrative—peddled by those with a financial stake in the crypto-asset industry—that these technologies represent a positive financial innovation and are in any way suited to solving the financial problems facing ordinary Americans.

Not all innovation is unqualifiedly good; not everything that we can build should be built. The history of technology is full of dead ends, false starts, and wrong turns. Append-only digital ledgers are not a new innovation. They have been known and used since 1980 for rather limited functions.

As software engineers and technologists with deep expertise in our fields, we dispute the claims made in recent years about the novelty and potential of blockchain technology. Blockchain technology cannot, and will not, have transaction reversal mechanisms because they are antithetical to its base design. Similarly, most public blockchain-based financial products are a disaster for financial privacy; the exceptions are a handful of emerging privacy-focused blockchain finance alternatives, and these are a gift to money-launderers. Financial technologies that serve the public must always have mechanisms for fraud mitigation and allow a human-in-the-loop to reverse transactions; blockchain permits neither.

By its very design, blockchain technology, specifically so-called “public blockchains”, are poorly suited for just about every purpose currently touted as a present or potential source of public benefit. From its inception, this technology has been a solution in search of a problem and has now latched onto concepts such as financial inclusion and data transparency to justify its existence, despite far better solutions already in use. After more than thirteen years of development, it has severe limitations and design flaws that preclude almost all applications that deal with public customer data and regulated financial transactions and are not an improvement on existing non-blockchain solutions.

Finally, blockchain technologies facilitate few, if any, real-economy uses. On the other hand, the underlying crypto-assets have been the vehicle for unsound and highly volatile speculative investment schemes that are being actively promoted to retail investors who may be unable to understand their nature and risk. Other significant externalities include threats to national security through money laundering and ransomware attacks, financial stability risks from high price volatility, speculation and susceptibility to run risk, massive climate emissions from the proof-of-work technology utilized by some of the most widely traded crypto-assets, and investor risk from large scale scams and other criminal financial activity.

We ask you to take a truly responsible approach to technological innovation and ensure that individuals in the US and elsewhere are not left vulnerable to predatory finance, fraud, and systemic economic risks in the name of technological potential which does not exist.

The risks and externalities related to blockchain technologies and crypto-asset investments are neither isolated nor are they the growing pains of a nascent technology. They are the inevitable outcomes of a technology that is not built for purpose and will remain forever unsuitable as a foundation for large-scale economic activity.

Given these risks and externalities, together with the—at best still-ambiguous and at worst non-existent—uses of blockchain, we recommend that the Committee look beyond the hype and bluster of the crypto industry and understand not only its inherent flaws and extraordinary defects but also the litany of technological fallacies it is built upon.

We need to act now to protect investors and the global financial marketplace from the severe risks posed by crypto-assets and must not be distracted by technical obfuscations which mask an abject lack of technological utility. We thank you for your leadership on financial technology and regulation and urge you to consider our objective and independent expert judgments to guide your legislative priorities, which we remain happy to discuss anytime.
legendary
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The definitions defined in the claims are incorrect. Bitcoin is decentralized, can you shut down all of the nodes and erase Bitcoin? It is far easier to do so for the banking systems, and the point about lifesavings isn't really about how secure it is. If you cannot be trusted to manage something as simple as this, then you would be a great target for other SE or scamming attempt. The point with volatility is perfectly valid, but I see it as an inherent problem in the people's mindset and not with cryptocurrencies in general. They should address the root cause of the problem, by educating them and eradicating this fallacy.

Point 4 and 5 are not even worth discussing.
legendary
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To a significant extent, they are correct. Indeed, the crypto industry has a lot of misleading claims. The claim of decentralization is one but foremost. And the industry has since been promoting and selling all kinds of products and services which are said to be decentralized. Crypto laymen might be enticed because of this magic word without knowing that it's just that, a word.

Blockchain is another prostituted term in the crypto industry. What's the big deal with this new kind of database? Security? Not really. Just hours ago, a largely popular blockchain, Solana, shut down.

And indeed, people are wasting not millions but billions in avoiding the banks and embracing DeFi.

Well, at least I haven't read the word Bitcoin in the article.
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legendary
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In summary: "Computer Scientists" makes comments on one of the most important technological and financial inventions in the last 15 years without knowing anything about money, markets in general, and the importance of decentralization.
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It's not secure, it's not decentralized. Any system where you forget your password and you lose your life savings is not a safe system.

I agree with Solosanz, and I guess others (Who know about Bitcoin) will be agreed. About password, This is the reason almost every Wallet and software suggest you store your keys safely. If you cannot take the risk, You shouldn't drive a bike or car too. It has the chance of a crash, and you may die. What a non-sense theory.
hero member
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The computer scientists are correct about crypto aka shitcoins, but not Bitcoin.

-Bitcoin is secure, look this post

Let's say we have a trillion planet Earths. On each Earth, there are a trillion people. Each person has a trillion computers. Each computer generates a trillion keys a second. All these computers have been creating a trillion keys per second since the birth of the universe 13.7 billion years ago. 10^12 * 10^12 * 10^12 * 10^12 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365 * 13.7 * 10^9 = 4.3*10^65. This means thay they would have so far generated approximately 0.0000000004% of all private keys.

-Bitcoin is decentralized, any miners who mine Bitcoin and validate the transaction are proving anyone can take a part in Bitcoin network.

-The failed to remember or lose the seeds/passphrase is the user fault, not Bitcoin.

-In Bitcoin no one force you to buy it, it's on your own belief to trust Bitcoin or not. If you didn't understand and know the risk about Bitcoin, then just don't buy Bitcoin. Buy any asset without any knowledge is really dumb.

-Blockchain is just a public ledger, where anyone can see any transactions. If you're referring to Bitcoin block, where it's mined and stored on the blockchain, then it's also secure since you can't add random block to the blockchain. You need to find and solve the right block, 51% attack is almost impossible when most of Bitcoin already being mined and the difficulty are increase a lot. In case if you want to learn about this https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/mastering-bitcoin/9781491902639/ch08.html
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According to few popular computer scientists the crypto industry is misleading the public about blockchain technology.
The list were has 26 computer, Harvard lecturer Bruce Schneier, Microsoft engineer Miguel de Icaza and Google Cloud’s principal engineer Kelsey Hightower were few among them. This team of Computer Scientists have given a letter to the US Officials.

These Computer Scientists have given few statements on cryptocurrency and Blockchain technology.

  • "The claims that the blockchain advocates make are not true. It’s not secure, it’s not decentralized. Any system where you forget your password and you lose your life savings is not a safe system.”
  • “We urge you to resist pressure from digital asset industry financiers, lobbyists and boosters to create a regulatory safe haven for these risky, flawed and unproven digital financial instruments"
  • "Crypto-assets have been the vehicle for unsound and highly volatile speculative investment schemes that are being actively promoted to retail investors who may be unable to understand their nature and risk.”
  • The computational power behind blockchain is the equivalent of what one could do in a centralized way with a $100 computer.
  • “We’re essentially wasting millions of dollars worth of equipment because we’ve decided that we don’t trust the banking system.”
Computer Scientists Say Crypto Industry Is Misleading the Public About Blockchain Technology

What about your view on these statements?
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