Vaccines against SARS II create antibodies and long-lasting memory on your immune system against this virus. They don't avoid contagious and infection.
If a vaccinated person lost his antibodies because he took the shoots many months ago, his immune system still recognizes the virus and starts immediately creating new antibodies and attacking it.
During this time he gets some symptoms and can infect other people.
But if he has a strong immunity system, he controls the situation and ends the virus quickly.
If the person has a weak immunity system, he can still have problems or even die.
Without the vaccines this would happen to millions of people instead of just a few.
Topic: Concerns on new covid variants. (Read 322 times)
"I come here for my booster shot, because my fully vaccinated friends and acquaintances are dying like flies from lung covid after vaccination.
https://twitter.com/Symph0ny3/status/1469583083162718213
Da f*ck
the evidence is there. but ignorance to avoid looking is the flaw of the people that ask fro it but refrain from looking for it. thus pretend it doesnt exist because they failed to look and so didnt see anything.
I happen to be looking at evidence which is why I provided the study for scrutiny. If you want to attack the study, you can.
I didn't say Covid doesn't exist, nor am I saying Omicron doesn't exist. That would be your inability to read so I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. I am saying the danger of Omicron doesn't exist, evident by <10 deaths globally.
Any polled epidemiologist will say Covid is endemic, so the idea of preventing variants or eliminating Covid completely is unrealistic. Which is why it's in the interest of anyone with half a brain remaining to stop fear mongering from public health officials every time a new variant is discovered. The entirety of the crypto market dipped upon the announcement of Omicron. To think these health experts don't have real power is rather foolish. If they can cause entire shockwaves through financial markets without presenting data of true danger, they should not be trusted.
here is the thing. there are many many more variants then you think. there are not just the 4 main ones alpha beta delta omicron.. there are LOADS in between. each being identified at the rna sequence level. each compared to others to see the differences.
scientists dont shout "jackpot" every time they see a new variant. they only start getting excited and fidgety when there are variants that differ significantly from previous ones of previous significance.
scientists dont shout "jackpot" every time they see a new variant. they only start getting excited and fidgety when there are variants that differ significantly from previous ones of previous significance.
Yes, this is obvious. A variant is merely just a change in the RNA sequence that composes the coronavirus. The doctors in South Africa themselves announced the new variant, but also cautioned that there wasn't enough data available to draw conclusions. Did that stop the crypto markets from tanking? Did that stop health "experts" from pushing blatant misinformation on the dangers of Omicron despite not having any available data? Nope.
seems gyft has been brainwashed into the same conspiracy script badecker has been pushing for the last year and a half. if gyft really thinks there is no 'proof' of viruses and no proof of variants of significance. thus thinking there should be no need to aire on the side of caution. then dannnngggg! gyft has fallen deep down the idiot hole
I'm confused that this is the conclusion you've made from my comment.
<10 Omicron deaths world wide, and a study from South Africa illustrating an evasion from the vaccines somehow proves I don't believe the virus exists? No, franky.
None of these geniuses want to ask the real questions -- where is the data that this variant is anymore lethal than previous variants. The answer is that data is nonexistent.
the evidence is there. but ignorance to avoid looking is the flaw of the people that ask fro it but refrain from looking for it. thus pretend it doesnt exist because they failed to look and so didnt see anything.
here is the thing. there are many many more variants then you think. there are not just the 4 main ones alpha beta delta omicron.. there are LOADS in between. each being identified at the rna sequence level. each compared to others to see the differences.
scientists dont shout "jackpot" every time they see a new variant. they only start getting excited and fidgety when there are variants that differ significantly from previous ones of previous significance.
you can find hundreds of reports on the sequence and the isolation methods including contact details of those involved that can explain more.
seems gyft has been brainwashed into the same conspiracy script badecker has been pushing for the last year and a half.
if gyft really thinks there is no 'proof' of viruses and no proof of variants of significance. thus thinking there should be no need to aire on the side of caution. then dannnngggg! gyft has fallen deep down the idiot hole
Interesting and plausible interpretation you are offering here, but I would like to chime in that academics from the US, Germany and UK seem to agree that the reporting in Africa is indeed not as developed and precise as in some of the Western nations. I admittedly don't have an official source to quote here, but I think I saw in an interview with the German and the UK minister of health that they along with the US health minister deem the reporting in Africa in sufficient. They still do rely on academic studies from Africa, but the daily reporting is said to lack the administrative infrastructure in order to deliver an accurate overview of the overall situation regarding Covid infections.
Yes, that wouldn't surprise me at all, it's just that I've not seen anyone really claiming this, and I've not seen any evidence for it - although obviously finding evidence for the absence of sufficient reporting can be problematic. It might also be that people are wary of suggesting poor reporting from Africa in case they are accused of racism.
In Europe lots of doctors lost license for speaking out and telling the truth. Welcome to nazi v2. To this day the test can not differentiate between flu, common cold or sars-cov-2. As a matter of fact the inventor clearly stated several times finding a virus is not what a PCR test can do, that is not what the invetion is for. Doing so is a clear case of fraud.
If a doctor can't grasp that the concept of evolution through natural selection also applies to viruses, then they are incapable of rational thought, and so deserve to lose their license.
And anyone who feels that the vaccine roll-out or a requirement to wear face masks during a pandemic is equivalent to the Third Reich is either unaware of Godwin's Law, or is trolling. Or is a bit simple - but of course we discount that possibility.
Couldn't have said it better, really nothing to add here.
@Tash, maybe you are not quite up to date. Hopefully this gets you back on track. Enjoy.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-pcr-idUSKBN24420X
Study shows Omicron variant breaking through booster shots - https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/small-safrica-patient-study-shows-omicron-breaking-through-booster-shots-2021-12-16/
If you'll recall, the so called "health experts" renewed their calls for vaccinations and boosters when the omicron variant was originally announced in South Africa.
Without knowing the virulence of omicron, nor without understanding the immune protection generated from the vaccines in relation to omicron, the health "experts" advocated that everyone get vaccinated and take a booster. Turns out, it may have been all for nothing.
Common sense tells you to wait for the data before panicking over the new variant, but not for the health experts. The good news is, <10 deaths reported world wide of omicron. It is nothing but a mild cold. So the need to get vaccinated over omicron is nonexistent.
If you'll recall, the so called "health experts" renewed their calls for vaccinations and boosters when the omicron variant was originally announced in South Africa.
Without knowing the virulence of omicron, nor without understanding the immune protection generated from the vaccines in relation to omicron, the health "experts" advocated that everyone get vaccinated and take a booster. Turns out, it may have been all for nothing.
Common sense tells you to wait for the data before panicking over the new variant, but not for the health experts. The good news is, <10 deaths reported world wide of omicron. It is nothing but a mild cold. So the need to get vaccinated over omicron is nonexistent.
Interesting and plausible interpretation you are offering here, but I would like to chime in that academics from the US, Germany and UK seem to agree that the reporting in Africa is indeed not as developed and precise as in some of the Western nations. I admittedly don't have an official source to quote here, but I think I saw in an interview with the German and the UK minister of health that they along with the US health minister deem the reporting in Africa in sufficient. They still do rely on academic studies from Africa, but the daily reporting is said to lack the administrative infrastructure in order to deliver an accurate overview of the overall situation regarding Covid infections.
Yes, that wouldn't surprise me at all, it's just that I've not seen anyone really claiming this, and I've not seen any evidence for it - although obviously finding evidence for the absence of sufficient reporting can be problematic. It might also be that people are wary of suggesting poor reporting from Africa in case they are accused of racism.
In Europe lots of doctors lost license for speaking out and telling the truth. Welcome to nazi v2. To this day the test can not differentiate between flu, common cold or sars-cov-2. As a matter of fact the inventor clearly stated several times finding a virus is not what a PCR test can do, that is not what the invetion is for. Doing so is a clear case of fraud.
If a doctor can't grasp that the concept of evolution through natural selection also applies to viruses, then they are incapable of rational thought, and so deserve to lose their license.
And anyone who feels that the vaccine roll-out or a requirement to wear face masks during a pandemic is equivalent to the Third Reich is either unaware of Godwin's Law, or is trolling. Or is a bit simple - but of course we discount that possibility.
Sure it has, Africa has less then 10% vaccinated India not much more.
If you are quoting ourworldindata, then does that mean you trust evidence from this site now?
But it is nice to see you posting proper figures, anyway.Africa certainly does appear to have a lower death rate from CV19 than more developed (and, yes, more highly vaccinated) nations in the EU or North America. And whilst we might suspect under-reporting due to the fact that these are generally developing nations, AFAIK there is no evidence that's the case.
However, there are many factors to consider here. One important consideration, for example, is the age profile of African nations... they tend to have a vastly higher percentage of young people, and very few elderly people in comparison to EU/North America. We know that on average severity of CV19 increases with age. On a related note, it's not just that overall deaths per million people is lower, it's also true that there are fewer fatalities in relation to number of cases... i.e., an African who does catch CV19 is less likely to die than a European who catches it. Again, suggesting the differing age profiles.
What the chart you've shared does not suggest is any relation to vaccination... because the pattern of lower deaths in Africa has been apparent from early 2020, well before the vaccines were available.
Interesting and plausible interpretation you are offering here, but I would like to chime in that academics from the US, Germany and UK seem to agree that the reporting in Africa is indeed not as developed and precise as in some of the Western nations. I admittedly don't have an official source to quote here, but I think I saw in an interview with the German and the UK minister of health that they along with the US health minister deem the reporting in Africa in sufficient. They still do rely on academic studies from Africa, but the daily reporting is said to lack the administrative infrastructure in order to deliver an accurate overview of the overall situation regarding Covid infections.
In Europe lots of doctors lost license for speaking out and telling the truth. Welcome to nazi v2. To this day the test can not differentiate between flu, common cold or sars-cov-2. As a matter of fact the inventor clearly stated several times finding a virus is not what a PCR test can do, that is not what the invetion is for. Doing so is a clear case of fraud.
Sure it has, Africa has less then 10% vaccinated India not much more.
If you are quoting ourworldindata, then does that mean you trust evidence from this site now?
But it is nice to see you posting proper figures, anyway.Africa certainly does appear to have a lower death rate from CV19 than more developed (and, yes, more highly vaccinated) nations in the EU or North America. And whilst we might suspect under-reporting due to the fact that these are generally developing nations, AFAIK there is no evidence that's the case.
However, there are many factors to consider here. One important consideration, for example, is the age profile of African nations... they tend to have a vastly higher percentage of young people, and very few elderly people in comparison to EU/North America. We know that on average severity of CV19 increases with age. On a related note, it's not just that overall deaths per million people is lower, it's also true that there are fewer fatalities in relation to number of cases... i.e., an African who does catch CV19 is less likely to die than a European who catches it. Again, suggesting the differing age profiles.
What the chart you've shared does not suggest is any relation to vaccination... because the pattern of lower deaths in Africa has been apparent from early 2020, well before the vaccines were available.
Interesting and plausible interpretation you are offering here, but I would like to chime in that academics from the US, Germany and UK seem to agree that the reporting in Africa is indeed not as developed and precise as in some of the Western nations. I admittedly don't have an official source to quote here, but I think I saw in an interview with the German and the UK minister of health that they along with the US health minister deem the reporting in Africa in sufficient. They still do rely on academic studies from Africa, but the daily reporting is said to lack the administrative infrastructure in order to deliver an accurate overview of the overall situation regarding Covid infections.
Sure it has, Africa has less then 10% vaccinated India not much more.
If you are quoting ourworldindata, then does that mean you trust evidence from this site now?
But it is nice to see you posting proper figures, anyway.Africa certainly does appear to have a lower death rate from CV19 than more developed (and, yes, more highly vaccinated) nations in the EU or North America. And whilst we might suspect under-reporting due to the fact that these are generally developing nations, AFAIK there is no evidence that's the case.
However, there are many factors to consider here. One important consideration, for example, is the age profile of African nations... they tend to have a vastly higher percentage of young people, and very few elderly people in comparison to EU/North America. We know that on average severity of CV19 increases with age. On a related note, it's not just that overall deaths per million people is lower, it's also true that there are fewer fatalities in relation to number of cases... i.e., an African who does catch CV19 is less likely to die than a European who catches it. Again, suggesting the differing age profiles.
What the chart you've shared does not suggest is any relation to vaccination... because the pattern of lower deaths in Africa has been apparent from early 2020, well before the vaccines were available.
Covid is about 3 years old now and i think any vaccine out there in the global space should be thoroughly scrutinized, we can't afford to continually shot the world down for any new variant discovered because we loose people, money and time
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1470387150936059910
New Covid cases primarily effecting vaccinated individuals.
Both in VAXXED and UNVAXXED groups, infection is not extreme. Mild or asymptomatic at most, resulting virtually no deaths. IIRC one death in the UK, but no deaths in South Africa where this all started.
It seems the vaccines are not as robust with Omicron, but how does the immunity stack up against the delta variant, which make up 90 percent of cases?
If Omicron provides ample protection, then it is in the interest of everyone to get infected with Omicron, vaxxed or not, for complete and total protection against deadlier Covid variants.
If the trade for heightened immunity is a mild cold, it's a good trade.
New Covid cases primarily effecting vaccinated individuals.
Both in VAXXED and UNVAXXED groups, infection is not extreme. Mild or asymptomatic at most, resulting virtually no deaths. IIRC one death in the UK, but no deaths in South Africa where this all started.
It seems the vaccines are not as robust with Omicron, but how does the immunity stack up against the delta variant, which make up 90 percent of cases?
If Omicron provides ample protection, then it is in the interest of everyone to get infected with Omicron, vaxxed or not, for complete and total protection against deadlier Covid variants.
If the trade for heightened immunity is a mild cold, it's a good trade.
If I'm not mistaken, virus mutation is a normal evolving process, while it becomes evident that the newer strains are more contagious, it also becomes less deadlier than the original virus. However, that doesn't mean that we should ignore their severity. Vaccines are effective, and it has already been proven by multiple studies and statistics. On top of that, the new Omicron variant derived from an area with very little vaccinations, and dense population, it was bound to happen.
The booster shots, as franky1 said, are meant to enhance the vaccine's efficacy, since the virus has already mutated plenty of times since the beginning of the pandemic.
The booster shots, as franky1 said, are meant to enhance the vaccine's efficacy, since the virus has already mutated plenty of times since the beginning of the pandemic.
When lord Fauci strikes down hard
https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1470455120513142792?s=20
Sure it has, Africa has less then 10% vaccinated India not much more.
If I'm not mistaken, virus mutation is a normal evolving process, while it becomes evident that the newer strains are more contagious, it also becomes less deadlier than the original virus. However, that doesn't mean that we should ignore their severity. Vaccines are effective, and it has already been proven by multiple studies and statistics. On top of that, the new Omicron variant derived from an area with very little vaccinations, and dense population, it was bound to happen.
The booster shots, as franky1 said, are meant to enhance the vaccine's efficacy, since the virus has already mutated plenty of times since the beginning of the pandemic.
The booster shots, as franky1 said, are meant to enhance the vaccine's efficacy, since the virus has already mutated plenty of times since the beginning of the pandemic.
vaccines are not a forcefield shield bubble that prevents infection. it is a way to teach body how to fight and stop an infection accellorating out of control
people will still get infected but if their body handles it quick, then it cannot incubate much to cause severe symptoms or then much more replicated viri out to then infect others
think of simple math
if a unvaccinated person is exhaling 1 billion viri every breath and the next person can only handle 200billion before their body cant cope asymptomatically. then that means only being near an unvaccinated person for 10 minutes before the next unvaccinated person is going to have symptoms.
however if the first person was vaccinated. he would be only exhaling 50mill per breath. meaning the next person can be near him for 200minutes(3 hours 20 minutes) before risk having a symptomatic infection
then ontop of this if the second person was vaccinated he can then cope with 4trillion viri before risking symptoms, meaning he can spend 2 days, 16hour, 40 minutes before risking symptoms
ontop of this. by being vaccinated your body fights off the virus far sooner, instead of waiting for symptoms so instead of day 5 trigger, it begins on day 1. and so could be dealt with if viral load was low enough within 1-3 days asymptomatically instead of 5-14 days symptomatically
thus if everyone was vaccinated then very high majority of people will just pass it around asymptomatically and only a very small minority would get symptoms.
but because there are many idiots that refuse to get vaccinated, and thus them becoming the high viral load incubators, the next best option is to help decrease what is being breathed out by wearing masks and socially distancing to reduce how much virus gets into the lungs of others
..
as for the effectiveness of vaccine
over time if your body is not under constant inhalation of a virus, it dissipates how much active ready for battle immuno cells are in your body at any time. so there are less 'soldiers' waiting to defend. if enough time passes without a battle the amount of battleplans(blueprints) for the design of training dissipates too
booster shots are like a dress rehersal battle/ training battles. but safer because its in the arm not the lung. and so you wont get lung infection and suffocate if the battle is lost or takes too long.
these booster shots keep your 'soldiers' on guard and alert, they keep the body producing more 'soldier's instead of letting your body recall the troops.
the more troops you have ready to battle. the faster the battle can be won
if its been over 6 months since you had second vaccine or covid. best to get a booster to re-alart your troops and train more.
as for choice of vaccine or covid to be used as a "troop" training.. its obviously better to get a vaccine in the arm rather then covid in the lung. thats just basic biology of risk/safety
so you can chose a bit of arm irritation. or lung irritation. im choosing arm irritation
people will still get infected but if their body handles it quick, then it cannot incubate much to cause severe symptoms or then much more replicated viri out to then infect others
think of simple math
if a unvaccinated person is exhaling 1 billion viri every breath and the next person can only handle 200billion before their body cant cope asymptomatically. then that means only being near an unvaccinated person for 10 minutes before the next unvaccinated person is going to have symptoms.
however if the first person was vaccinated. he would be only exhaling 50mill per breath. meaning the next person can be near him for 200minutes(3 hours 20 minutes) before risk having a symptomatic infection
then ontop of this if the second person was vaccinated he can then cope with 4trillion viri before risking symptoms, meaning he can spend 2 days, 16hour, 40 minutes before risking symptoms
ontop of this. by being vaccinated your body fights off the virus far sooner, instead of waiting for symptoms so instead of day 5 trigger, it begins on day 1. and so could be dealt with if viral load was low enough within 1-3 days asymptomatically instead of 5-14 days symptomatically
thus if everyone was vaccinated then very high majority of people will just pass it around asymptomatically and only a very small minority would get symptoms.
but because there are many idiots that refuse to get vaccinated, and thus them becoming the high viral load incubators, the next best option is to help decrease what is being breathed out by wearing masks and socially distancing to reduce how much virus gets into the lungs of others
..
as for the effectiveness of vaccine
over time if your body is not under constant inhalation of a virus, it dissipates how much active ready for battle immuno cells are in your body at any time. so there are less 'soldiers' waiting to defend. if enough time passes without a battle the amount of battleplans(blueprints) for the design of training dissipates too
booster shots are like a dress rehersal battle/ training battles. but safer because its in the arm not the lung. and so you wont get lung infection and suffocate if the battle is lost or takes too long.
these booster shots keep your 'soldiers' on guard and alert, they keep the body producing more 'soldier's instead of letting your body recall the troops.
the more troops you have ready to battle. the faster the battle can be won
if its been over 6 months since you had second vaccine or covid. best to get a booster to re-alart your troops and train more.
as for choice of vaccine or covid to be used as a "troop" training.. its obviously better to get a vaccine in the arm rather then covid in the lung. thats just basic biology of risk/safety
so you can chose a bit of arm irritation. or lung irritation. im choosing arm irritation
That being said, vaccines help in preventing infected people to experience severe conditions, but do not guarantee full protection from getting infected from Covid-19 variants. Honestly speaking, I don’t think that the world will become better anymore, in relation to the state of pandemic. It has been stated by many leaders and it can even be read from the Bible, the worse is yet to come. Not to be pessimistic here, but it’s a harsh reality and it unfortunately it does makes a lot of sense.
Booster Shots Fail To Keep Seven Triple-Vaccinated Germans From Contracting Omicron Variant
https://nationalfile.com/booster-shots-fail-keep-seven-triple-vaccinated-germans-contracting-omicron-variant-south-africa/
the feeling I have is that this pandemic will only end when have some medicine that can cure people who are infected, vaccines are welcome and are doing their role well, but from what I see only a vaccine or pill capable of curing people after being infected will be the salvation to eradicate this virus
I agree with your opinion that vaccine is helping to reduce severity in case you get infected by covid-19 or its variant , also helps to avoid hospitalization but as new variants keep coming in and they make vaccine ineffective so the best way to end this pandemic is medicine which can be taken orally to treat covid-19 like antibiotics medicines do. Pfizer Pharmaceutical has already made huge progress in this direction and introduced medicine which is under clinical trials.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizers-novel-covid-19-oral-antiviral-treatment-candidate
With a new so-called variant like this, it's only a matter of time before it reaches our corrupted city where they will gonna act swiftly because it involves more money. Once again just like the Delta variant, I smell another lockdown and a strict curfew. When money is involved, our government is active and doesn't really care about their people except for a few who chooses to stay just. I thought it already ended when we moved on from the Delta variant. I wonder when they will conclude this rubbish.
Jump to: