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Gerald Davis
Bitcoin will always be Bitcoin regardless of whatever country switching to a Crypto-currency and I seriously doubt any country or union would expose their Blockchain to State manipulation or allow any random Joe-blow to mine their blocks.

Then there is no need for a blockchain.  The blockchain is the very expensive cost of having a decentralized network.  There is no point to a centralized decentralized network with no of the benefits of decentralization and all of the costs.

State digital fiat money already exists.  Take your existing bank accounts, add the ability for users to send funds directly to each other, eliminate cash.  Done.  No mining is even necessary.
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If Iceland goes crypto, I would still be able to use their coins, right? The internet doesn't really know any boarders. So yeah, they could introduce their own crypto, and see if it catches on. Just like everybody else.
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Human error caused a fork several months ago via an incompatible wallet upgrade.

No Government on earth will adopt Bitcoin so as long Satoshi has control of his pre-mined. Thanx for the prototype.



NOW THIS is what worries me the most.  HOW can we expect any government to say "fine... lets all usebitcoins" when just ONE PERSON controls 1/6th of all coins, and he's an anonymous kinda person that the government can't "find".  It's sad that he has to have that many bitcoins.  

Why do you care what governments say regarding bitcoin? Bitcoin doesn't care. Bitcoin doesn't give a shit.

Also, Satoshi does not hold 1/6th. Probably 5% at best.

Well, wouldn't it be TOO perfect if Iceland adopts Bitcoin as national currency? Yea!......not with [insert entity here] personal pre-mined stash. Just the same, Iceland may one day go crypto-currency, a blockchain maintained by a single State or Union.



I don't like that part , smells like centralized cryptocrap to me.

Bitcoin will always be Bitcoin regardless of whatever country switching to a Crypto-currency and I seriously doubt any country or union would expose their Blockchain to State manipulation or allow any random Joe-blow to mine their blocks.



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in defi we trust
Human error caused a fork several months ago via an incompatible wallet upgrade.

No Government on earth will adopt Bitcoin so as long Satoshi has control of his pre-mined. Thanx for the prototype.



NOW THIS is what worries me the most.  HOW can we expect any government to say "fine... lets all usebitcoins" when just ONE PERSON controls 1/6th of all coins, and he's an anonymous kinda person that the government can't "find".  It's sad that he has to have that many bitcoins.  

Why do you care what governments say regarding bitcoin? Bitcoin doesn't care. Bitcoin doesn't give a shit.

Also, Satoshi does not hold 1/6th. Probably 5% at best.

Well, wouldn't it be TOO perfect if Iceland adopts Bitcoin as national currency? Yea!......not with [insert entity here] personal pre-mined stash. Just the same, Iceland may one day go crypto-currency, a blockchain maintained by a single State or Union.



I don't like that part , smells like centralized cryptocrap to me.
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Well, wouldn't it be TOO perfect if Iceland adopts Bitcoin as national currency? Yea!......not with [insert entity here] personal pre-mined stash. Just the same, Iceland may one day go crypto-currency, a blockchain maintained by a single State or Union.

Yeah, each country with their own flavour of currency, specifically designed for their economic needs.
sr. member
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Human error caused a fork several months ago via an incompatible wallet upgrade.

No Government on earth will adopt Bitcoin so as long Satoshi has control of his pre-mined. Thanx for the prototype.



NOW THIS is what worries me the most.  HOW can we expect any government to say "fine... lets all usebitcoins" when just ONE PERSON controls 1/6th of all coins, and he's an anonymous kinda person that the government can't "find".  It's sad that he has to have that many bitcoins.  

Why do you care what governments say regarding bitcoin? Bitcoin doesn't care. Bitcoin doesn't give a shit.

Also, Satoshi does not hold 1/6th. Probably 5% at best.

Well, wouldn't it be TOO perfect if Iceland adopts Bitcoin as national currency? Yea!......not with [insert entity here] personal pre-mined stash. Just the same, Iceland may one day go crypto-currency, a blockchain maintained by a single State or Union.



sr. member
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Human error caused a fork several months ago via an incompatible wallet upgrade.

No Government on earth will adopt Bitcoin so as long Satoshi has control of his pre-mined. Thanx for the prototype.



NOW THIS is what worries me the most.  HOW can we expect any government to say "fine... lets all usebitcoins" when just ONE PERSON controls 1/6th of all coins, and he's an anonymous kinda person that the government can't "find".  It's sad that he has to have that many bitcoins.  

Why do you care what governments say regarding bitcoin? Bitcoin doesn't care. Bitcoin doesn't give a shit.

Also, Satoshi does not hold 1/6th. Probably 5% at best.

The congress hearing was a big thing in the bitcoin community, so i guess bitcoin cares about regulation and not necessarily adoption from governments.
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Human error caused a fork several months ago via an incompatible wallet upgrade.

No Government on earth will adopt Bitcoin so as long Satoshi has control of his pre-mined. Thanx for the prototype.



NOW THIS is what worries me the most.  HOW can we expect any government to say "fine... lets all usebitcoins" when just ONE PERSON controls 1/6th of all coins, and he's an anonymous kinda person that the government can't "find".  It's sad that he has to have that many bitcoins. 

Why do you care what governments say regarding bitcoin? Bitcoin doesn't care. Bitcoin doesn't give a shit.

Also, Satoshi does not hold 1/6th. Probably 5% at best.
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Satoshi "just" brought already existing ideas together in a clever way.

Allow me to help:
Satoshi "just" brought already existing ideas together in a clever genious way.

Oh sir, may I help you with your spelling there? But of course:

Satoshi "just" brought already existing ideas together in a clever genious genius way.


My work here is done.  Please continue the conversation.  
sr. member
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Satoshi "just" brought already existing ideas together in a clever way.

Allow me to help:
Satoshi "just" brought already existing ideas together in a clever genious way.
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Satoshi "just" brought already existing ideas together in a clever way. It's believable imho that he is just one person, and not a zillion dollar funded government agency.

Regarding conspiracy theorists that are often unfamiliar with open source and large community-driven projects and can't believe how such a thing can come out of the blue, I often point them to MAME. I don't know how many thousands of man-centuries have been put into it, it emulates thousands of arcade games almost "too perfectly", is driven by passion alone and surely has no government agency or corporation behind it.

That makes Satoshi like Apple , and Apple is evil Smiley))
legendary
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Satoshi "just" brought already existing ideas together in a clever way. It's believable imho that he is just one person, and not a zillion dollar funded government agency.

Regarding conspiracy theorists that are often unfamiliar with open source and large community-driven projects and can't believe how such a thing can come out of the blue, I often point them to MAME. I don't know how many thousands of man-centuries have been put into it, it emulates thousands of arcade games almost "too perfectly", is driven by passion alone and surely has no government agency or corporation behind it.
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Human error caused a fork several months ago via an incompatible wallet upgrade.

No Government on earth will adopt Bitcoin so as long Satoshi has control of his pre-mined. Thanx for the prototype.



NOW THIS is what worries me the most.  HOW can we expect any government to say "fine... lets all usebitcoins" when just ONE PERSON controls 1/6th of all coins, and he's an anonymous kinda person that the government can't "find".  It's sad that he has to have that many bitcoins. 
legendary
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If your aware of how Bitcoin itself works generally you'll know it isn't anonymous as people claim ( feel free to correct this explanation if I completely misunderstand Bitcoin guys ) but from what I've seen the receive/send addresses work a lot like I.P Addresses so anybody can view the activity coming from that address and with some digging could find a location. Like with I.P addresses though you can't discover exactly who is behind it and easily track their every move and that is what has law enforcement and loyalists so uppity about Bitcoin because for years they've relied on persistently intrusive systems that demand all your personal information be real and attached to a bank account so they can easily prosecute you.

Bitcoin isn't perfect and there are many other methods that people want to try out which is why the altcoin market is getting ridiculously large too Cheesy user friendliness is also another big problem with Bitcoin and is preventing a lot of people from adopting it good luck getting a store set up entirely on your own without any outside help from programmers who know the code required to make a store.
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has control of his pre-mined
There are no "pre-mined" coins in Bitcoin. The design makes this abundantly clear— and anyone can audit the software and look at the public history to confirm this for themselves. Please don't spread misinformation.
sr. member
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I 've read an interview from Gavin Andresen saying that when they first reviewed the code, some parts of it were so obviously bad that they got removed or replaced instantly. Satoshi is a genious but certainly not the best coder around.
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in defi we trust
The biggest flaw in the system is that there are people who think it is Perfect.
And until now humans haven't create the perfect thing.

Also , there are lots of things Satoshi didn't think about when he first launched it.
Gmaxwell post shows only a few of them.
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A more detailed fact contributes to my skepticism: are we so sure that having *every* transaction recorded and public is really a good thing? If in the future bitcoin will completely take over other payment systems (like everyone here hopes, and it very well could given its immense advantages), including cash, we will live in NSA's heaven: you recieve your wage on a certain address, which very likely will be tied by law to your identity, and you can't do anything anonymously with that money.

I'm still new here, but two things I see here.

1) your current bank account is just as traceable. You sign up for a bank account with your SS#.  So my bank account and identify are directly tied and you can easily trace the money.

2) Would it not be easy to hide the money even if they knew it went to you? 

Example: I get paid to my normal wallet A
I then transfer some BTC to a middleman wallet X who takes a small fee and transfers is to whatever wallet I tell him too (maybe in chunks to further hide). 
My wallet B then gets funded through Wallet X.   Becuase wallet X is moving funds all over the place, you would have no way of knowing that the funds that got sent to wallet B came from Wallet A originally, making those funds untraceable after a single hop.

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there could be protocol changes in the future that encrypt transactions so only the ones in your control can be revealed, using homomorphic encryption this is possible. The transaction still gets processed nether the computer nor the user can decipher the data but it can process it, Then again just encrypt all addresses that interact with you too, It wouldn't be hard to do either.

Open Transactions has a system like that, Chaumian blinded coins, no one knows who had it or who it will go to just have to transact through one of those servers; The coins could exchange a 1000 hands before it exits the server, think of it as TOR for Bitcoin, the only transactions ever seen are the ones that went in and the ones that went out.
legendary
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Re: concerns on the bitcoin system: isn't it TOO perfect?
try reading the coder for once, then your skeptical senses will vanish

personally I don't know about that, but I'm confident that at least bitcoin-qt's code is well audited and doesn't contain any major bug).

well many thousands of people have audited it, but your senses will continue to tingle untill YOU satisfy YOUR senses by reading it YOURSELF
So, if you're skeptical like me,

you also start to mention satoshi, well learn the history for once, then your skeptical senses will vanish,

please don't become like some people here that just theorise idea's without research.

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