Topic: Concerns with new DT1 logic (Read 1018 times)

If Bob has a lot of merit and also has Alice in his trust list, assuming many others have Alice in their trust lists, Alice would be on DT1. Later Bob may become inactive for whatever reason, but even when Bob is inactive, Alice will remain on DT1, even if everyone who has Alice on their trust list is inactive.



The new system is scheduled to update once per month, but the number of people on DT1 will likely increase, as IMO it is easier for someone to get added to a person's trust list than it is to get removed (practically speaking), and more people will get merit that makes them eligible to "vote" on who is on DT1.

I am an advocate for a fair system, and I care about the integrity of the marketplace (and of the community). My trust rating is shit, but that does not stop me from being entrusted with large amounts of money when I do engage in trades (which has become less frequent, but this is due to my own choosing).

Right. There should be some mechanism for someone to not be on DT1, both having their ratings not count, and not having their trust list count, beyond manual intervention by theymos. This should be beyond affirmatively needing people to remove an account from DT1 to get them removed, as over time people with a lot of merit will become inactive, get locked out of their accounts, etc., and will not update their trust lists.


If you want to do business on the forum, ranking up is very beneficial because of limits (both in delays, and total allowed per day) to the number of PMs of lower ranking accounts, making negotiating and working through details difficult if done via the forum.

One could also argue the posting limits for very low level accounts is excessive.

Most of the clique I am speaking of is a group of people who trade amongst themselves in the collectables section (and those closely associated with these people). They generally have high trust ratings, but much of this is from trading within the group, and in general a person is much less likely to scam their friend than they are to scam a stranger. A few of these people have a somewhat shady history (I am not referring to those who have explicitly scammed) by doing things such as backing out of auctions, and making some questionable escrow decisions (I am not referring to situations that I view as clearly wrong), all of which would likely earn most people a decent amount of negative trust.

For me, DT serves as somewhat of a reference point. I would generally give ratings from DT a little more weight, especially successful trades, and successful trades with those who have decent trust ratings from the perspective of DT (this is one negative of not displaying the trust ratings of those who gave trust on a person's trust page). When deciding to give a no collateral loan, I will also consider (among other things), the value of their reputation when viewed from DT.

The new system makes it more difficult to gauge the value of one's reputation that someone has to lose if they were to (try to) pull off a scam in a trade.

Take out the top 200's own cycled merits and see how many have 250 earned merits.

About ... not many.

Earned merits only is like saying all posts legends made before merit system were worth zero .... that sounds very strange.

centralised the trust system and injects huge swathes of subjectivity and variance. Variance you eliminate from a trust system if possible I would say.  

trying to use subjective (and meaningless by suchmoons definition) scores as building blocks for trust seems quite a strange idea. I would like to have seen a debate on it by some real game theory egg heads to see what they say.

I still am yet to understand why creating some merit analysis stats makes you more trusted than a legend that has held 10000's of dollars or millions of dollars of coins for years and never took even one for themselves.

If anyone can explain it.

I meant the 10-merit requirement. But even the 147 can add many more users to their trust lists so it's not like there's a lack of opportunity.

ATM, only 147 members have the 250 merit required to be one of the supervotes, according to BPIP. Not thousands. Guess we merit sources better get to work.

Everyone knows that Lauda is a cat, which is pretty much the opposite of a rat.

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Seriously though, THOUSANDS of users have a vote now, even some bright red scammers. So all these DT complaints... meh.

Let us presume that your argument that "Lauda is a scammer" is correct. When I view the trust comments Lauda makes, it would be clear that Lauda is a "rat" and has no qualms giving valid negative ratings to other scammers, if (s)he is indeed a scammer. Just like investigators in a police force use informants to get leads, I think it is still perfectly valid to add Lauda to my trust list and even be a member on the default trust list. Quite frankly, if someone is going to trade with someone, they should do more than just viewing the color of the number on the trust rating. They should do their own due diligence and actually view the comments themselves and make a judgement for themselves on whether the comments are valid and even apply to the current transaction they wish to engage in.

I think you're confused. You don't have "many numbers of green trusts", you're quite red.

There is no logic in getting Lauda in the DT list. It looks too stupid to see a scammer having many numbers of green trusts.

Look it is simple I presented facts about a scam pumper and protector

mention facts that there are thread accusing lauda of shady escrow practices and that senior senior members agree that he is shady and the fact that lauda is also implicated in an extortion scheme.

I get red trust for this???

NO WAY.

Lauda is scared to come and debate with me this red trust because it knows I will destroy it like in every other encounter we had and it spouts shit that I tell lies then runs away when I say PRESENT THESE LIES.

Now get this shit red trust off of my account or every DT who allows it is an abuser and a scam pumper protector

These are FACTS and clearly observable to anyone.

Lauda is hiding away and sends this sexually depraved moronic slathering dog TMAN here to first red trust me for presenting facts about himself (lauda) .this guy TMAN is obviously a low functioning sub species lauda formed from merging the dna from tp and owlcatz and and jabbed it full of testosterone by direct methods. It's sexual depravity is off putting when I am trying to present sensible evidence relating to scams. How can resist such directness and excitement and brand them as the scammers they are at the same time. It is unfair and underhanded. Facts about your scamming and DT abuse only please.

Lauda you skanky scam promoter come here now and tell me why I got red trust for presenting facts about you??

Stop hiding up.

Yeah, has anybody here a deathwish and ask the two to get a room?  
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PS: camera anybody?


I really don't get how people really think they have a way to design this trust system perfectly so it mirrors the user behind the account. People might turn bad in a matter of seconds, people might act like angels making one small pace at a time towards their goal of grabbing and running away. There is no way in hell you can predict this a lot of "trustable" persons here have shown through the years there is no way you can guarantee 100% for somebody.

This is the best we have right now, let it work for a month or two and let's see the consequences, if any.
It's the whole merit saga once again but now flavored with mentally abused dildos.

I'd be much more interested to hear thoughts about how its working from the viewpoint of genuine non sockpuppet newish users. To be fair, the majority of the people who have been voicing their opinions for or about the new DT system changes don't actually need DT in the first place. Almost everyone that has posted in this thread so far have been here for quite a while, and have already established their own good trading, risk mitigation practices. I'd be curious to see if any new users have thoughts on how the changes have either increased risk visibility, made them trust the DT lists more or less, or inspire more or less confidence that they'll at least get a basis for available feedback information.

I find it hard to have an opinion one way or another, because I don't personally use DT feedback. I lean on the side of helping people that need it out, but its rare that they voice their concerns, so most DT related meta threads end up as a political discussion among legendary members.

Why dont you read your sexual deviant ramblings that have no point on this thread an others in the last couple of hourse that cant be backed with facts or evidence.

Then provide examples of mine you claim are there??? trust abusing scum bag.

Then we can see who needs red trust and kicked off DT

Let me see these examples NOW or you are a DT abuser.

Your red trust link points to a FACT BASED post regarding your master lauda. This is abuse and proof of collusion. You can not red trust for fact based posts.

YOU ARE MENTAL - YOUR POSTS ARE PROOF OF THAT - I DO NOT TRUST MENTAL PEOPLE.

it ain't hard to understand cuntsmouth

I don't wish to engage you in your sexual fantasies or hear about your fluids.

I want you to bring forth an example of something I have said that makes me untrustworthy. Provide the specific example now or you are an abuser of the trust system as well as a scammer protector and ass licker.

It is very simple do it now your moronic miscreant

Can, have and will.

if you don't like it I suggest you petition all other DT-1 members to exclude me or if they feel that my tagging of you is not needed or accurate they will reach out to me like adults and have actual fluid conversations

so - Like it or fuck off back to your hole.


xxxx laters sexy pants

Why dont you read your sexual deviant ramblings that have no point on this thread an others in the last couple of hourse that cant be backed with facts or evidence.

Then provide examples of mine you claim are there??? trust abusing scum bag.

Then we can see who needs red trust and kicked off DT

Let me see these examples NOW or you are a DT abuser.

Your red trust link points to a FACT BASED post regarding your master lauda. This is abuse and proof of collusion. You can not red trust for fact based posts.

What don't you get about re reading your own posts from the last 12/18 hours as EVIDENCE OF WHY I DON'T FUCKING TRUST YOU

So no evidence then LOL - as I suspected. You fear the truth like the rest.

So no thread for me to analyse your extortion with lauda and owlcatz? I mean if it is apparent you were all just undercover trying to weed out bad guys ....show me it and provide your side. I mean obviously it will be hilarious. Bring it.

Just more attempts to sexy talk. Get lost, evidence first. Then perhaps a cuddle if you're really good later on.

Anyone got a "well that escalated quickly" meme or something?

QS has some points, but I'd rather we all just wait to see how this all works out, because I don't think the DT1 list we have now is going to stay static for long, so a month or a few down the road you never know who might be on it. 

Most of that 'clique' are people who tag scammers and so forth, and I agree that just because you sold or bought an account doesn't make you evil.  It's just very damaging to the forum because of the potential for using the account's reputation in order to scam or the rank in order to spam to earn more money, or for merit abuse.  I'd much prefer that account sales were banned here so I wouldn't feel the need to tag them. 

For some reason, that stirred something deep inside me.  Also made me laugh.  I'm conflicted about these feelings now, so thanks for that.

What dont you get about re reading your own posts from the last 12/18 hours or however long it has been that you have been consuming/not consuming enough drugs? tell ya what my little lovely, do you need a cuddle? I guess that was it, it wasn't your uncle touching you inappropriately it was the fact that your mum left your daddy.

now please understand this - no one will trust you whilst you act in such an unstable manner, if you do not believe that you have been acting a little crazy then you really are fucked up.

XX much love and im sure ill catch ya in the next 20 mins treacle.

PS - Qs I do apologise for this derailment, but this is proof that we need a system like Theymos has implemented so mentally unstable fuck sticks like this cytptowanker have actually 0 sway on the forum