Topic: Confession - Zapo=aTriz. (Read 13962 times)

I've just seen in my notes there was also a connected UID TeamJamal [B.o] who was ^{Last Active:    April 09, 2018, 03:07:25 PM} [a.t] [w.a.o]

while Zapo [B.o] [a.t] [w.a.o] was created ^{Date Registered:    April 08, 2018, 09:42:24 PM} some 18 hours earlier.

I don't think aTriz and jamalaezaz were originally controlled by the same person, but after aTriz got tagged, at some point he gave his account access to someone else for signature earnings. So by now, it could be anyone controlling it.
Not that it matters, the account is properly tagged and anyone trusting him now should be well aware of the risks.

I knew aTriz and Zapo were owned by the same person, but I don't recall that person owning the jamalaezaz account--and the link between the first two was made a few years ago, so my memory might be fuzzy on the matter.  However, I long suspected jamalaezaz of being shady, even before I tagged him but there was a time when aTriz was working his way up to being a respected campaign manager. 

I'll take a look at the trust pages for aTriz and jamalaezaz, but was that connection made a long time ago or more recently?  It could be a memory issue on my part, but I'm finding myself a little surprised that all three of these accounts are connected.  Then again, there shouldn't be anything on bitcointalk capable of even making me blink after being here so long.  Master-P, anyone?

True, but the three threads get bogged down in discussions at one point concerning when ownership transfer occurrs.


After consideration, I've amended my previous trust feedback to now read:


Feel free to point out if this (or any) are wrong.

Some highly respected members seem to think that aTriZ = Zapo and I know Jamal owns the aTriZ account so 1 could conclude they are all 3 owned by the same person IMO.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/confession-zapo-atriz-5043497

All 3 accounts are already tagged so you having yours there or not doesn't really make a huge difference. I guess to those that directly trust you I suppose. I can respect you wanting your feedbacks to be accurrate though.

Indirectly it does. 

I've been reviewing (yet again  ) my trust feedbacks to ensure they are accurate and saw both names and noticed the two connections.

Does it matter? https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zapo-2015835
Bunch of negative trust and has not been here in over 4 years.

Is there other drama someplace that I missed that brought this up?
If not then I would just file it in the whatever, not important pile.

-Dave

Sorry to necro bump this, but the My Apology to Bitcoin Community and Request for another Chance thread started by jamalaezaz is locked and the aTriz account has most likely changed hands thread started by Cashi was last active 2018-10-04

My question is if aTriz and jamalaezaz are alts, does that mean Zapo is jamalaezaz ?  There are no Flags against Zapo and the two aforementioned threads aren't clear about the co-ownership.

aTriz is back, but why not Zapo?

Although he leaves us this message:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/atrizs-bounty-and-signature-campaign-managment-services-available-2232934

(I just bumped this thread for I know this is the right section to discuss it)

Shame. He was pretty much the only "new" campaign manager who came here and was doing what he should have been by checking and denying participants due to quality, but something didn't seem right because of that because it's such an anomaly. I even thought about leaving him positive trust because of it but glad I didn't now.

I think we should probably be more weary of 'new' campaign managers here because they're often trusted with a lot of money and I'm sure many of them will just be building up for some long con or siphon off money to their alts (as some have already been caught doing).

I simply came to see what  the lying asshole is at again...


He posted earlier that all of this is the truth in response to me; now where have we heard this before

Your escrow has been shit, maybe because the "team" wanted to minimize their exposure to you (because they knew), maybe because you just suck at it, maybe both..
ftfy
The "escrow" is often sitting underbudget and therefore not protecting participants at all. It's not really even an "escrow", the "team" is just giving you funds to divvy out as needed, not even as needed..
It seems you had about 0.26 in "escrow" for a few days recently but the transactions are such a mess.. Coming from exchange hot wallets and using change addresses - mess..

You should have stuck with the signed escrow address in the OP to keep it TRANSPARENT and simple for all to confirm the campaign is ACTUALLY under escrow, which it is not anyway.. Use a consistent escrow address would ya? You didn't sign any of those other ones did ya? We have no idea who owns outputs to random addresses..
Currently your escrow is negative what, .25 btc? From what I can make of it..

The escrow in the OP is just a ploy to start the campaign and goes right out the window once participants sign up..
Since YOU are the "escrow" if that campaign scams right now it is YOUR fault. Money out of your pocket you owe them because you promised you were protecting the participants from the "team" via escrow.. You have placed that burden upon yourself..
I have mentioned your escrow a couple of times and I think you just don't want to admit that you aren't holding shit anyway..  

"Leeway"? Are you guys running a professional business or just winging it?

"Flying to Dubai" is more important than keeping their word? More important than paying their employees? Plane don't have wifi?
I didn't look into it but, are they really "flying to Dubai"? If they are willing to blow their commitment to you, and their employees, off - blow you all off because they are on a plane, do you really think it is a good idea for you to bear the burden of payments for them by being the "escrow" when you have no funds?

No way I would put myself in the position of "escrow" and let it ride with one party not fulfilling their obligation, risk my neck for all those funds..
No way, especially if I didn't have the funds to cover my vouch.
Much less taking out a large loan I couldn't repay and bearing the financial responcibility for some flake "team" flying to dubai, at the same time..

You must be seriously desperate for that job to risk your financial neck to them like that, or more likely risk your name AGAIN and risking the participants financials..  

Quote from: Zapo on October 05, 2018, 08:09:08 PM

I'm not incorrect. It did take a lot of planning and talking.

Sure isn't the whole truth now is it? Leaving out the exact details he was getting at weren't ya?
If you didn't want the world to know you should have PM'd him the truth..

Quote from: Zapo on October 05, 2018, 08:09:08 PM

It was a lot of months since my last lending applications.

Dude...
You just asked for a 1BTC loan less than a month prior!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45276131
http://archive.is/1pdLo since you like deleting similar shit
September 06, 2018, 06:00:57 AM

Quote from: Zapo on October 03, 2018, 12:49:44 AM

I'll be converting the BTC into USD for the purpose of paying bills and making purchases, but I will be paid a set BTC amount by my employers, so this is why I'm asking for this loan tied to BTC.

I'm more than happy to re-negotiate loan terms, making everyone happy.

Negotiate HIGHER than 33.333% interest?
Then you are going to pay bills and buy things.. Not very sustainable.. Very confident in your income from "employers" and ability to repay the loan..  

And now..

Quote from: Zapo on October 04, 2018, 09:02:12 PM

half me sort of desperate.

Are you desperate to buy things like some Black Friday wackjob consumer addict?
You didn't tell those lenders you were desperate did you?
That was all you just being some actor.. Some anon alias, playing the part..
You admit misrepresenting a lot in your lending applications..

Are you desperate for money to survive? Are you confident enough in your financials to spend 1BTC on a large purchase on credit? Are you that desperate to buy things?
Choose one..  

What are you going to do when you get even more desperate?
Which is likely.. You really are willing to skate on thin ice wanting a large loan to buy things while holding a negative balance "escrow"..

Quote from: Zapo on October 05, 2018, 09:04:43 PM

I ran a lending buisness

Quote from: Zapo on October 04, 2018, 09:02:12 PM

not knowing how high-interest rates are on bitcointalk

These RECENT ACTIONS are plenty for me, regardless of old Atriz drama with snakey or other, that "Kevin" is not a highly trustworthy individual..
Not to say that I think he is going to exit scam a campaign, a large loan, or both.. But his word is no good..
A person's WORD to me is more important than "have held large funds"..

The last person you should lie to, or misrepresent facts to (at best), are potential creditors.. IMO


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Lets dig into this part..

Quote from: Zapo on October 03, 2018, 08:00:36 AM

Quote from: zazarb on October 03, 2018, 07:55:21 AM

Quote from: Zapo on October 03, 2018, 12:01:05 AM

Hi Bitcointalk, I'm looking for a loan with these terms,

I found the public has access only to the following address where you held fund:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17wW3y8HgcRACw6e8wjB5bkuc1CFJzvRQM
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/14cJEUeGm157ok88ouskfDGwbSmzf2Kgcr
Total 1.76BTC

Hi zazarb,
I didn't bother with changing the escrow address weekly, because of the wallet I use changes addresses everytime I send a TXID. For example, here is a TXID thats not from an address listed in the OP.

Quote from: Zapo on October 01, 2018, 08:52:29 AM

Was refilled by devs via https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/13900245d8b37c3b5177647e808b65eb2cd9bff69919d4380b9d8c5946c064ad

Both addresses zazarb quotes held some funds from 8-8 until 8-16 and 8-18..
Which convienently coorelates with the openings of both campaigns BQT and IOU..
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iou-true-p2p-e-commerce-loyalty-platform-on-blockchain-4845370
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ended-bqt-signature-campaign-member-hero-00007-btc-post-4862272

Like I said earlier, just a PLOY to start the campaigns and then the "escrow" goes right out the window..
They are also what he uses as reference for being so trusted.. "I held those funds I'm super trusty"

BUT, zapo's reply with...

Quote from: Zapo on October 01, 2018, 08:52:29 AM

Was refilled by devs via https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/13900245d8b37c3b5177647e808b65eb2cd9bff69919d4380b9d8c5946c064ad

Shit multi TX from a hot wallet for 1, he should have linked to https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1AKwj14zZfGPcbXkJE7iVF8hLctrMjRhJF ..
It only held funds for 14 hours, which is NOT "escrow"..

STOP calling it "escrow", it is merely fund distribution..  Unless you are guaranteeing payment out of your own pocket, which you can't afford, and then it's still not "escrow", but a guarantee vouch..

Quote from: Zapo on August 08, 2018, 08:45:01 AM

Payment Details

Escrow Address - 17wW3y8HgcRACw6e8wjB5bkuc1CFJzvRQM

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is Zapo confirming that I am holding 0.7 BTC for the IOU signature campaign (first week). This address should be topped up weekly.
17wW3y8HgcRACw6e8wjB5bkuc1CFJzvRQM
Hxf/fLeKYzb/Zf+4PdBMwNv1oyqvgidu61j+Lx0P+CYUGTBOZQnsAEn6qkRh/D12yuohJ7wPuPhPyo+T+LQ5qzk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- 

Quote from: Zapo on August 10, 2018, 05:44:14 AM

Escrow Address - 14cJEUeGm157ok88ouskfDGwbSmzf2Kgcr

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is Zapo confirming that I am holding 0.7 BTC for the BQT signature campaign (first week). This address should be topped up weekly.
14cJEUeGm157ok88ouskfDGwbSmzf2Kgcr
Hz53nUWZzrzi5ICkpcWqeefToEQramEFdfpzvMWhYLPhSyucpKoW7iTyKYh0AzTy5TjGXr1KADAa2wAFtU7NE+U=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- 

"Topped up weekly" - lol        Didn't bother.. Should yeah if it was really an escrow, but it's not..
The signed messages are not even proof that zapo held those funds.. It is not an old known address of his..

Just as he was "forced" to continue a scam campaign because he had 2 weeks invested in it, now he is "forced" to continue as a fraudulent "escrow"..

I would tell the "team" to fulfill their escrow obligations as promised or fuck right off, but I'm not desperate to make money from Bitcointalk, and who knows what the agreement really is between zapo and the "team"..

These people love to keep things confusing, its pretty much part of the MO.

Ok. PM received and deleted.

So there is some kind of evidence that might be true or maybe not, however it doesn't show proof when aTriz bought account.

Defrauded investor has tried to scam aTriz sending him fake tokens as collateral loan. I posted this somewhere in one of the topics earlier.

I still don't see connection between pinkman12345 and snakey because everything is very confusing.

Well thanks for taking the time to fill in the gaps for me.

I must say I'm surprised that you ever sent along your private key to anyone. I can see why you made this extreme error in judgement considering you were making attempts to repay a defrauded investor.

You have the right to make your own decisions regarding repayment and what you feel is right. Taking the hurt feelings out of the equation though, despite them (assuming all connections made are accurate and true) snakey/pinkman12345 lightening your wallet for you; they did not steal above and beyond what you originally said you would pay back. Which I still feel was a big move, and owning responsibility for your lack of due diligence. *

All I can say is that I don't distrust you. I also wouldn't fully trust in anything you are apart of... there are very few people whom I would. I feel I've met your type before in that the details can get lost in the shuffle and that at times you are trying to handle to much; again maybe that's a product of how your spring turned out. Apart from the forum I don't know what you've been through, but there are definitely things that you dropped the ball on here that compounded your problems. Moving forward, try acting like the newbie you came back as for these 2 main points.

Escrow your funds - While it doesn't build your trust of holding funds and distributing them, it shows your willing to do the work with out the potential of funds missing. This could have been useful in the cases of tokens going missing, and in light of it being shown you trusted the wrong person with your private keys so recently put others at ease. Ensuring your employers provide these funds at the beginning of a round will also make it smoother if/when they want to cut payouts down, this way you can pay everyone on time and keep things transparent.

Feedback - It's tough to go back a few months and say this is how things went down when we have a system in place to document and track scams/or other untrustworthy behavior. I feel you should have done this with the whole Pinkman/Snakey. Might have even prevented others from getting ripped off as you appear to have been the first under the Pinkman banner. You could have also tied the alts together if the proof holds up to scrutiny.

Good luck, with your endeavors. I do believe you can come back from this just take your time, and when in doubt maybe think " If I post this on the forum for all to see... will I be run out of town?"

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Glad to see you are providing information going forward for those trying to recoup their default loans from Pinkman.

* Adding to the above, if you do plan to move forward with reimbursement to meet the originally agreed upon total. I don't see an issue with having this hashed out between you, Snakey/Pinkam, and the 2 lenders who have outstanding defaulted loans before any distribution of funds takes place. This all assumes the proof of alts is definitive, conversation is all open and above board between the 5/4 parties. Not my money just my thoughts.

Alright, I'll do it when I have time. He didn't deny or confirm it, but if you have talked to JH on tg before, it's quite obvious you are talking to the same person. I'm pissed at myself that I didn't get this earlier.

Alright, please don't leak.

Gonna shift through my email and try login in my bread wallet to find TXID and my angry email to bread support about getting hacked.

I can share that story
It started when I merited this post (with LoyceMobile).
What got my attention, is that Zapo posted a (zoomed in) screenshot of it:
I didn't expect a 4 month old fairly new Campaign Manager to know me. The use of the word "Alright" triggered me too, I've seen that used by aTriz in the same way.

Recognizing me and my alt was confirmed the next day:
Add the fact that a relatively new user started managing 2 Bitcoin-paying signatures campaigns with high rates, and the fact that Zapo was created just 3 days after aTriz received his first red trust, and it became very likely to be aTriz.

Send me PM.


Let me see if I got this right.
3 ethereum stuck in wallet, you asked someone for help, they said they can't fix it and your ethereum magically disappeared? You have to be kidding me! 

Can you post transaction ID?

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Ok, I think I have to update this topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rakeshdobar1-is-alt-of-engg-chakks-3062663 with some newer information.

I have been here for sometime and saw the allegations about bitblisscoin, the alia drama and subsequent negging of aTriz. From those incidents, aTriz comes across as someone who wants to stay involved with BCT and campaign management. This is probably what leads to the painstaking effort he has put into ensuring professionalism with Zapo account.

People tend to resort to desperate actions for business when they are too involved. It is worrisome. In a decentralized marketplace, reputation is everything. Who decides on reputation? The subjective 'Trust' decisions lead to group-think and oligarchial strurctures. They even become meaningless for someone too big to fail. For example, in case of Quickseller. He supposedly has an army of alts and a -9999 rated account but does alright. (I mention QS purely as an academic interest. The account could be a case study in reputation and trust issues.)

I suppose it works just fine for QS. I suppose it should work just fine for aTriz/ Zapo too as long as they don't stray too far from the honest / Full disclosure path. More than anything else though, his quandary should give us a lesson as to what kind of ethical behavior to follow while doing business HERE. Not resorting to "doing whats necessary". This may get you short term results but in a decentralized marketplace, it has a non-zero chance of doing some non-zero damage to whatever RPG character you choose to play on here.

Whether this inherent correcting nature of the market / RPG actually works or not depends on what kind of disincentive this creates for business-owners who choose to be casual with their dealings. For the long term, this is the most important takeaway. Other than that, I guess we also need an objective measurement of how "Number/severity of mistakes" reflects on "reputation."

PS: Zapo, Taking back the application. Thanks

Nothing in life is necessary.  But if you want to fix something that's broke, you have to make an effort.

You didn't earn this money the hard way, and just because you were scammed shouldn't prevent you from making right another scam.

Remember what I said earlier, ill gotten gains never go far...

Edit:

Pls post screenshots of your conv so we can also see that pinkman12345 = snakey (sander patt on telegram).

Why would anyone ever trust you if you are going to not honor your obligations after you claim to be wronged in some way? This includes if you were to divert money you owe him to others absent his explicit approval.

If he really hacked your wallet, it would not be unreasonable to offset what was stolen with what you own him, provided you have evidence it was him. You would be nothing other than a scammer if you don’t repay what you promised to when you took out the loan minus what he allegedly stole from you.

You didn't deny this in our telegram convo yesterday, Sander Patt.

I have, but I don't see why it's neccassary. All the money I made off Chroynos, plus an extra 3 eth is all gone.

Why you keep saying i am pinkman which i ain't.
I ain't affiliated with any of your shit.
For the money you have scammed me still chasing you. Karma is not going to forget you. You know i am broke and still you are doing this.

For anyone who has doubt can kindly check my forum account as i can give you my password. I still have preserved all pms as i have not deleted any of my pm since beginning.

I can provide you my telegram info so that you can log in and see my chats with atriz, hampuz , jh and all.

I will provide my password only to a trusted member of community.
I can

Have you considered paying the remainder to those who were scammed by snakey/pinkman?

I thought that it was fine at the time? My bad.

I'm not going to post proof of that here since it's very personal. I'm sorry you've lost your trust in me.

Aight TLDR
JH found me when he asked for a loan for like 0.02 back when I ran a lending buisness
JH was a eth dev, so I asked him so questions, we became threads, he helped me look for ICOs, give advice eg.
JH then started helping me handle bounty distributions, with Bazista, in which he coded some smart contract to send to 100 addresses in one TXID. Similar to how Pay to many works.
We kept being friends, talking about crypto, for at least once a week.
Then snakey got "scammed" by the ico I promoted for 2-3 days.
Messaged JH for advice, and he told me, pay him back, take the L, and then just continue business as usual (for clarifications JH=pinkman on telegram, who also controls snakey's BTT
Repaid snakey 4 ETH, which was about how much (give or take 1 ETH), I earnt off Chroynos Coin (the ICO he got scammed for).
Had 3 ETH stuck in bread wallet, and there were issues with sending ETH at the time, so I gave my private key to JH, and asked him to help me fix it. A day later, JH says he can't fix it, and my 3 eth disappeared, into some shapeshift address. I asked JH about it, he said I couldn't access wallet, so I believed him, and since he was my friend, didn't bother any more.
Bazista's Content campaign had to get paid out soon, and since JH had access to the tokens, after the airdrop contract, I asked him to give them back to me, so I can do the distribution. He avoided me for a day and then said some bullshit lie, about shouldn't I have them, or something.
At the time I had some suspicions about JH, and after snakey said "I know you are zapo" and merited me, I was like WTF? I only told 3 people at that time, JH included.
Snakey sent me screenshots of his phone, JH sent me some before. Both phones were the exact same, and had the same writing tone. At this point, everything clicked.
So I still technically owe snakey 13 ETH. But after what he has done to me, with hacking my wallet, running away with tokens, pretending to be a friend, I'm 100 percent not paying him that.

Then you lied when you said account buying was ok at the time. By December 2016 DT members had started leaving neg trust for that shit.


Dude. Stop serial posting. And - no, I'm not going to engage in some behind-the-scenes validation because - in case you missed it - I don't trust you at all.

I have the same reply:

Everything you write is trying to manipulate and decieve people.

He gave me/told me all of these things because he wants me to have a taste of what's coming. We are in a trial period.

His plan was to make a whole website and everything, and that's what he really wants me onboard. I haven't decided yet.

The work he gave for me managing spreadsheets was work I asked for, so I can make some income. I don't see how managing a couple spreadsheet means that I'm his right man.

I don't understand what you have against me? I've treated you well, responded to you as I can, and tried to help you. I try to make some money off doing manual spreadsheet work and now I'm involved in a bunch of scams now?

You cannot say you are not involved with someone and that you think about making a decision on a job offer they made you WHEN:

1. You posted a bounty campaign for him
2. You own the Pinned message in his telegram bounty group



3. You are clearly a moderator and you are involved in managing spreadsheets for him



I can see right thru you, and hopefully everyone can see now.
You are so easy to debunk, your words are basically WORTHLESS.

Everything you write is trying to manipulate and decieve people.

Minobia - They left me on the last couple weeks of the campaign, I was scammed by them.
Banana Coin - Paid everyone via the online portal, I don't know how their ICO went.
Dog Racing - Dev's exit scammed after I handed them the final sheet.
ModernCoin - Ran away mid campaign
Bazista - Used Pinkman to pay everyone except content. JH still has the tokens owed for content and last time I asked him, he said he lost them or some other bullshit.
Aeternum, dev's stopped responding to me, started a new campaign with another manager
Miboodle/FryEgg/Vernam/Truegame - have given final sheet in to them.

I am not involved with jamal. He offered me a job, so I checked the telegram group, but I haven't made a decision yet.

I'd recommend you to not involve payment issues from Jamal, over to me. All of the ICO's you've listed have exit scammed, blocked me, or I've done the work for them (final sheet). I don't see how I'm lying/deceiving here.

I can easily do that. Can you/suchmoon/The Pharmacist PM me? I have information which proves that, but I'd like not to be public.

Hi Eddie, the devs were requesting me to lower the budget mid-campaign, but it would be unfair to participants since it was mid-week, so I was only able to pay out a portion of participants. The team was currently flying over to dubai for a lot of meetings, so please give me and them some leeway. This week I misestimated how much I needed, and therefore had to ask the devs for another refill.

I'm not incorrect. It did take a lot of planning and talking.

It was a lot of months since my last lending applications. I was mistaken with the loan, so therefore offered higher interest. My apologies.

I'm not returning the 5 ETH or so I made off them, after I repaid that to snakey. That would be me losing money for doing work.

In this thread, I haven't lied once.

All I know is told to JH. The positive feedback was for when we were friends, but now he has backstabbed me.

@marlboroza I'm not quoting to save time.

1. 3 people have had access to aTriz. Me, original owner and someone who wanted to use it for a week after I got tagged (the shit posts) Here is when I took the account back. Only I've used Zapo.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.43073635

2. 3, aTriz, atriz_alt and this one.

3. I don't know, I wasn't involved in the hashcows buisness. Me and the original owner had a short conversation about it, which basically was

- We got hacked
- We repaid 90 percent of people getting hacked
- Slowly died off, and closed down

4/5/6/7. I can't really answer this in-depth because I wasn't involved in any of this old business.

Guess sometimes you've just got to ride the wave. I've got no other answer, and I'd rather come clean after a couple of campaigns, then have something looming over me forever.

No, I have the old owner on skype and just asked him to sign whenever. I don't think he's active nowadays though.

My bad. I bought it late 2016, didn't mean to mislead. I think I bought it decemberish, and then went to china for a month, came back and it was feburary, sort of forget for a couple months, and then started to look around and post.

Other issues next post.

List of scam or unresolved ICO's by Atriz:

- Minobia    (scam)
- Banana Coin (scam)
- Dog racing (scam)
- ModrnCoin (scam)
- Bazista (scam)
- Aeternum (left without saying anything...bla bla bla personal problems)
- miBoodle (left without saying anything...bla bla bla personal problems)
- FryEgg (left without saying anything...bla bla bla personal problems)
- Vernam (Vernam tems is unaware of some parts of the campaign he promoted on btctalk)
- Truegame (still has not paid translators, we (the translators) are going back and forth with Tgame team to solve this issue and is yet to be resolved).
Here is the wallet of tokens that we should recieve:
https://etherscan.io/token/0xf8e06e4e4a80287fdca5b02dccecaa9d0954840f?a=0x093b183834d6c93ed0f952b44c0d6efec33f1f15

Recently he was hired to run a bounty campaign for Terrawatt, i personally contacted the team, explained everything to them, instructed them to relevant threads on bitcointalk about his history and they decided to fire him from the project.
I did the exact same thing about Eraswap.

Modus operandi:
He now works with Jamalaezaz (aka Ebola, Spannish flu, Bubonic plague) and they have this bounty group togheter:

https://t.me/bountium

Basically Jamal, who in the past used hundreds of accounts to cheat the bounties he managed, gets the jobs and he should manage the campaigns.
Jamal is not using his account anymore because of his bad reputation, in exchange he is using sockpuppets to continue his work on the forum.

This is the Eraswap thread atriz made, and he deleted it after i talked to the projects team:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45998224

He even confronted me on telegram about this:



Somehow they still manage that campaign here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-eraswap-ito-project-bounty-program-5034864

The account that posted the thread has posted in Turkish until June, stopped posting, and then started again in english in September (most likely stolen or bought account). Someone who knows how to investigate this things could make a check on him.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mmm01-263733

Other campaigns they manage:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-thetokapp-the-future-of-communication-bounty-campaign-4895271
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountytrustlogics-blockchain-for-trusted-and-secured-professional-dataended-3439509
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/malooka-167909

You can check the accounts that posted these, not sure if they are paid to post or they are related. In posting history you can see some sort of ANN bumping.

He is managing some signatures campaigns relatively well, while in the backstage is managing and working closely with some of the most shadyest individuals in this forum.

The only thing that i get from all this is his excellent ability to decieve and manipulate, and you can see that in the comments of the people who talk about second chances...people who should read the OP first post and analyze the text carefully and identify how they were tricked into thinking this.

I don't think so.
Newbie heard something about bitcoin, found this forum and they made deal with scammers to use account to learn about btc. All that happened in late 2015. while aTriz made first post in 2017. If account changed hands it happened in 2017.

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@Zapo/aTriz can you prove you bought account?

It is something completely different than proving you didn't buy account http://archive.is/26ct8 ?  

Come on.

Nobody needs to buy an account (and as marlboroza pointed out - from a scammy mining pool - much fail on due diligence) in order to "learn about BTC" or to "grow with the community". And you didn't post with the account until April 2017 so according to Mr. Occam you mentioned "late 2015" so that you could then say:


Because buying an account in 2017 would not have been "fine" I guess.

How did you possibly conclude that, your plan was gonna work? Your campaign management has never been bad, your judgement of things have been though. And that is why some people think you're a con artist/scammer/naive person et al.

So I assume you also brought the private keys of aTriz's staked message back in 2013/14?

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But sir DT means Death Team and all scammers are supposed to die...

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I think all these questions aren't related to the aTriz/zapo being questioned here, since the account was bought in 2015, so hashcows and his buddy aren't related to the current owner of the accounts aTriz and Zapo.

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@Zapo, can you sign a message with the addresses that aTriz owned via this account with today's date?

Anything?    

1)How many people are behind accounts Zapo/aTriz?
2)How many accounts do you have?
3)Why your buddy is tagged as scammer https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nearmiss-106197 ?



4)Why support didn't answer?


5) Why aTriz has negative feedback?




6) Why some miners complained that hascows run away https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annpoolprofit-switchoptional-auto-exchange-per-coinvardiff-hashcows-293872 ?
7) Why hashcows? Don't you think it sounds like hashcons?  

You really need to stop showing your exaggerated bias and spreading absurdly false information like that.

Completely unnecessary; worth demeriting actually.

But sir, why you tag me and not [insertRandomUser]? Must be this so called "nepotism".

That's not how the trust system should work and it's borderline fallacy. DT is not some sort of police force and even if it was you probably wouldn't want every cop in the town to respond to every crime.

The fact that e.g. I tagged some (or many) fake ICOs or PayPal scammers doesn't mean I'm obligated to tag them all. The fact that The Pharmacists tagged some (or many) account traders doesn't mean that he's obligated to tag them all. Everyone has their own, possibly subjective, criteria and decision process and that's what makes the trust system work. Otherwise we could just have theymos tag everyone, when he has time between recovering hacked accounts and developing the new forum software.

I had read that thread back when I was reading up on the controversies of the time. It doesn't really tell the whole story though. Whether this was an oversight on your part trying to move on from the Atriz brand at the time or not; but there is no accusation or proof on your part they did anything wrong. I don't even see any feedback from any of your accounts

I obviously don't know the details, but given the current situation (see below), it might have been a good idea to have aired the dirty laundry and had pinkman tagged. Assuming the reason you have for not paying them was NEG worthy. All I can find is the positive feedback you left pinkman that is still positive but has (delete) at the end of it.


Moving forward can you provide the information now so that anyone who has tagged Pinkman12345 can also go and tag the snakey account. We wouldn't want to leave any loose ends out there.

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I feel like we've all been using the second chance thing improperly, myself included. No one gave a second chance; the closest would be Loyce not exposing Zapo - but still keeping tabs on the user and account (this was fair IMO). What has happened is an Alt account was used to try and shed the glaring RED trust that had essentially nuked a previously trustworthy user. Zaptriz has been tagged, and that's good. Not that I feel they are 100% untrustworthy, but that a record of members and how they have interacted and behaved on this forum should follow them and be visible. This way we can tell if they have changed for better or worse.

When you bring up The Pharmacist if you check the Atriz trust profile you can see that while he was not personally burned the feedback went from green to neutral to reflect the changing times. There are actually quite a few people being given second chances if you consider marlbaroza's feedback for promoting scam ICO's. They are giving members the opportunity to repeal the harm they have caused and be made whole again. Like I said there is no second chance here; it's more of a long standing service provider falling short, and having to deal with that while moving forward. This brings clashing opinions between past and present.

For there to be a true second chance example there would need to have been a license or some permission granted to a select few to manage campaigns; this having been revoked, and then granted again. There is no such thing anyone no matter there trust score can manage a campaign. People will join any campaign regardless of who runs it, just look at the 2 started by a "newbie", of which one actually provided second chances to a couple red trust members.

I can understand why Zaptriz went this route they are trying to provide a service to clients outside of this forum, using the forum as a platform for this. Most of his clients I'm assuming would want the manager to be a neutral or nice shiny green color but that was likely never going to happen without going this route. Assuming they did accurately portray the situations to their customers and they were okay with it, not much to be said they can hire who they like. I do feel like it was shady doing this to the members who would have joined your campaigns as they should have been given the same information, being essentially contractors.


Zaptriz - Just keep doing you. Again just some advice take it or leave it. No more alts, just ride it out and try and earn back some of that 2017 reputation. Escrow and transparency are always advisable. Try not to leave any loose ends out there, it may burn someone else down the road.


EDIT for clarity - Zaptriz does not exist but I like the way it sounds, I'm sure most will get this but I'm sure some will not.

The rules are, but the DT aren't; apparently they have multiple parameters based on who they have pecuniary dealings with; I have been pointing this out for quite some time; but then again they jump with their racist biases and scream second chances when their scammy business partners are caught; for all the lesser mortals; it's just sick when they call them ISIS suicide bombers cause they are apparent spammers.




"shown some evidence of trustworthiness"
Has aTriz shown any in his case; it's one lie after another.
As for your conflict; it is primarily because people have obfuscated parameters; the ones who have a clear-cut conscience don't have conflicts on tagging scammers/liars.

You don't realize how many second chances I've given on account sellers.  I've removed quite a few feedbacks after a while if a person has shown some evidence of trustworthiness after engaging in account dealing.  Most requests I've had that resulted in feedback removal have come from PMs, so it's not like everyone is aware of this.

I also don't tag people just for having alt accounts, but for buying or selling accounts--because that leads to scams based on reputation or shitposting.  That point has been made millions of times already.

aTriz always did right by me, yet I would never discount the possibility that I'm being bamboozled by a smooth-talking con man.  I trust aTriz/Zapo just enough such that I'm just going to sit this one out, and it isn't like his accounts didn't get tagged anyway.  There's plenty of red trust on them as a warning for anyone who's considering doing business with them.  I appreciate your straightforward opinion on my inaction.  This particular situation has me more conflicted than I usually get.

No one really gets second chances around the forum? Ask every account that has been tagged by the DT who was begging for the second chances? Why special privileges for the accused here? @Pharmacist - You are actively tagging alt the alt-accounts and account sellers in the forum, why haven't you left your tag here when the case is clearly to be of owning multiple accounts, scamming and other stuff. This isn't a rational judgement. If you think he deserves a second chance, why not all those accounts who have been tagged by you don't?

To conclude -  Don't be a bunch of biased hypocrites, if you stand by a principle, support it regardless of the accounts involved. I have nothing against the OP but rules should be equal for everybody.

I suspect this has to do with who he is friends with and who he is associated with.

In other words, he stole money from people he believed to be scammers. Now where have I heard that before?

So many defending him as a "great" campaign manager..
"Great" campaign manager that will continue to run a campaign as normal knowing that it lies to it's participants and investors, forced because he has a whole 2 weeks invested in it..

Looks like he isn't even holding FULL escrow to protect all the participants..

Late on payments because he doesn't have the money on hand, the point of escrow.. So much coin he has been holding    So trusts
If he is holding coin, why didn't he respond about putting it into an escrow? Just ignored..

Lies to the lender zazarb in his loan application, deleted the OP.. Very untrustworthy, like lying to the bank..
Doesn't seem like zazarb wants to fill the loan now that loyce corrected his lie about..
And then..


People get ruined for less so why all this "second chances"?
Because he can manage a campaign? Any offshore tech support guy can manage a campaign..

Sympathy for him because he was "anti spam" and promoted merits, required merit for his campaign, has favor with the spam police..


Taking out a high interest no collateral loan out of desperation is a GREAT idea..


That's reasonable interest..

This guy wants atriz specifically to hold lending collateral for him
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32953287
But he is inexperienced in lending remember..

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.32052237
Another loan with a reasonable interest term..

Fuck he groups them for me..

He is an experienced lender/lendee..


Or not?

Look at that low requested interest..

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/open-loan-with-atriz-2669643
10%

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/need-loan-of-04-for-trading-payback-15-months-max-2763447

Super low interest requested and filled


Paid only 3.375% interest on that one..

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/need-loan-of-025-for-trading-payback-3-weeks-max-3-day-re-payment-possible-2906815

.001 daily for 21 days is .021 interest on .25 = 8.4% interest..


Offers to pay 33% interest "I dusn no wha intrus is"
Must be a conspiracy..

It would be "earned accidentally" however I'm still not sure that term is appropriate for what happened in your case.


Anyhow:

This was done because he had been on LoyceV's radar; and became a concern when asking for a decent sized no collateral loan. Essentially a come clean or I'll expose you situation.


I can't say I'm familiar with this loan in particular. If you could point me to a thread where it is discussed and makes sense why you wouldn't repay I'd appreciate it. I'm wondering if Snakey/Pinkman12345 did something to cause you to need the loan, by scamming you or stealing from you. Then loaned you what you needed. If that is the case and is provable your stance makes sense.

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All in all, I'm for second chances.  It does appear you burned up quite a few of those all in a short period of time; they could be lumped into one bad stretch of poor decisions. I like to believe you would have come clean after building up the account but that would have been less tempting than say doing it 3 weeks ago, you would have more and more to lose every week that passed as the account built up.

The part that concerns me the most is that you had been renting out your Atriz account to someone while building up Zapo. Iirc this was ongoing while you began managing these campaigns; that to me is continuing on with poor decisions. You likely used your Atriz reputation to get those accounts under your belt, which is fine but do you see how the Atriz account still had some reputation, and that lending out that account could have resulted in a scam large or small. I also don't see the value in lending someone an account to test out the forum, considering that would not be their experience, due to ranking up with merit changing things.

I hate to tell anyone how to act (apart from my kids) but I would suggest take time to think about how your actions will be perceived by/or affect the community before acting. For the foreseeable future, escrow account funds. Yes you will take a hit on your earnings from the fee, but you also add a layer of trust to your dealings.

Good luck moving forward, try not to get caught up in shady shit.

Ok, misunderstood - thought you took a loan from pinkman12345, found out he is a scammer, and are not repaying.  He has 0.54BTC in defaulted
loans as of now.

Didn't understand the "earnt accidentally" bit...

Either way, would appreciate your assistance in providing any and all relevant info about him here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5043688

All the money I made off the ICO that pinkman got "scammed" was around 4 eth, and I repaid him 5 eth before he backstabbed me. I don't see why I should donate the remaining balance as the money I earnt accidentally is already gone.

A thought:
If you have an outstanding "loan" to pinkman12345, a good place to start for karma-cleaning would be to repay what is owed by him to his victims or assist in debt recovery since you have worked closely with him in the past.

ill gotten gains never go far, but here you have a chance to make ill gotten gains not so ill again (atleast partially).

I am little bit late on this discussion . Since I am new on this forum, I just aware story about aTriz. Whatever did by aTriz account obviously wrong. You lied before, now no one will accept your true even me. Usually you can't expect second chance from community. Community is like a glass. If you broke once it can't be repair. You are the one who responsible damage your career. As well you self admitted that you are owner of aTriz account so your current account also will effect by your previous record.

Very interesting how LoyceV find out your previous account.

Eventually I want to say, there is no doubts Zapo has been doing great job by spam free signature campaign. But for me, I will not excuse for your previous record.

This is absolutely surprising, and somehow disappointing too. 
I was actually quite glad to have a manager like him who was punctual on payments, and very selective about the participants of the campaigns he is managing to avoid hiring spammers or shitposters, and then today, when I come online and open the campaign thread to check if the payments are sent out yet or not, I see his account in red, and upon following the reference I end up in this thread where I find out he is the alt of a person who was involved (intentionally or unintentionally, since I was not around in that period and have no much knowledge about the case/cases) in shady activities that cost people their money and him his reputation.

Though I'm no one to make any judgement since the case he was involved in is still unclear to me, but I really like the way he has been working recently. If he was a genuine scammer, he would definitely have stolen the escrow funds for these campaigns and disappear without anyone having any access to him. I think he should be given a chance to prove himself.

My assumption was that Zapo got those campaigns because of the connections he has as aTriz. That means the team didn't consider him to be a Newbie from the start.

I think just creating this topic by Zapo himself is a brave step to confront his critics, either good or bad. He laid out his true self and it's up to you on how you perceive him as a user here. And with that being said, in my opinion there's no need to lock up this account in his pocket. Users can always check the trust of that person and gauge for himself if he wants to deal with this person or not.

So, what do you plan on doing to your old account now that your identity is revealed as aTriz? Do you still intend on using it and regain the reputation wasted back then? or you'll just lock it up on your pocket?

How else was I able to sign 2014-2013 private keys in 2017?

I'm not lying. I would rebuttal the other arguments but they are too personal. If you want a definite answer for these I'd suggest PMing me.

Edit - The only "loan" on the forum here is to snakey. And I'm not paying him the 10 eth or so, after I found out he was pinkman123345. So he backstabbed me and he wants me to pay him a couple grand? Bullshit.

That makes about as little sense as all the other excuses we've heard from the 2015-2018 aTriz (for lack of a better definition) so there is good chance that this is indeed the same person.

Here is what you could do: stop lying, get a job IRL, repay the loans or whatever you owe to whomever, stop fucking around with alts, and stay away from shady deals, or any financial responsibility for that matter (use an escrow if you must).

Here is what you will do: same as usual.

Please explain how exactly you "accidentally" scam someone. If someone looses money because of your mistake, that is not accidentally scamming someone, it is either you reimburse whoever lost money because of you, or you are explicitly intentionally scamming someone. Period.

No.

My original plan was to land a couple clients, and then expose myself later on when I had a bunch of experience, and I did some good work for the community. This was earlier than expected, but what can you do.

I'm not exit scamming. I've never purposely scammed anyone, and all the issues from aTriz were from me being careless. I'll even pay out a little early today.

It's from a music album released a couple months back - Stay Dangerous By YG.

Don't know who Aventhe is, except on pm instance, where he asked me to check me for one of the BTC sig campaigns I was running on aTriz. So no, I'm not him.

They know.

I'm pretty sure my english isn't that bad now is it? I'm trying to learn how to touch type on a mechanical K70 keyboard, and before I was quite accustomed to my old Mac for typing. Probably this, but there's nothing else I can think of.

Thank you Lauda.

The higher interest offered was half not knowing how high-interest rates are on bitcointalk, and half me sort of desperate. I've held probably ~2 BTC of escrow funds at once and never ran, so I won't be running with any funds here.

Here's the timeline

Late 2015- I talked to the original owner, and we made a deal where I would use his account to learn about BTC, and just grow with the community.
I was in possession of the account, all the way until a couple weeks back, in which someone sort of wanted to trial the account for a week, and then I got it back. If you check my posts, there was a quite well made post addressing a scam accusation. Down below.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.43073635

TLDR - Bought account when account buying was fine, and then lended out a couple months back for a week, still have it. Only 3 people have had access to aTriz.

I just glanced at aTriz's post history and for some reason, I have this theory that, 4 people, or at least 3 people have controlled that account. The initial owner had control over the account till 2014, then either someone else bought it or used it from April 2017, and few months later, the aTriz we know controlled the account(might be the same owner who controlled it in 2014), and then a random spammer who used it for a few days.

Stop spewing bullshit conspiracy theories. If mr. Atriz wanted to "scam", he would have done so as he had plenty of opportunities to do so with non-pocket change amounts.

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Surprised given this thread.

I guess it was just smooth talking and luck..  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loan-request-for-03-btc-5042702
http://archive.is/vny7w



Also - He was asking to borrow 0.3 BTC and repay 0.4 BTC..
That is a whole 33.333% interest! Quite high interest..
That's $650 in interest he is offering to pay.. Ouch..

It is somewhat the mark of a loan scammer to offer such high interest, so people are more greedy to fund the loan for them, put up with more risk for that profit, and the scammer isn't planning on paying back so they don't care what the interest is anyway.. Make the lenders rush to fill it, make them make hasty decisions..

Suspicious..


Why did you offer such high interest?
It might as well be a doubler..

I'm listening closely to your opinion here, believe me--not that it matters all that much what I think.  

I just checked the PMs I got from aTriz back in 2017, and the English is definitely different than what I've seen him write recently.  It was nearly perfect in the PMs, whereas currently there are mistakes that he makes that are not consistent with what he used to write.  That's just my opinion on it, and one could of course start making mistakes on purpose if one were so inclined.

And the reason I questioned the Aventhe possibility is that the timing and writing style of the PMs I got were very similar, and both accounts were very active around the time I got those PMs.  Both became inactive seemingly (to me) at the same time.  Could be my paranoia, and I don't know if aTriz/Zapo would cop to Aventhe being his alt even if it were true.

Yeah, good point.

There was the episode where he "rented out" his account to some spammer. Also there was proof of aTriz account having been purchased a year or two ago. I'm sure there was more, I just can't remember everything now.

Even this latest debacle came to light only because LoyceV exposed it. 0.3 BTC loan without collateral LOL...

This "Ima be honest after I'm caught" routine is getting old.

I would be interested to know if you disclosed this information to the teams behind BQT and IOU before beginning work as their campaign manager.

On a related note, I've always been curious as to whether Aventhe is an alt of aTriz/Zapo.  It's been a lingering suspicion of mine based on communications I've had with both of them, though I don't have hard proof and there was never any reason to make an issue out of it.

I think that's a very good idea.  I'm not sure what to think about his trustworthiness at this point.  aTriz was always a very good campaign manager, and I got the sense that he was diligent and could be trusted with campaign funds--and then SHTF, and it's a valid point that an exit scam thing might not be out of the question.

Living up to the motto in his personal text - "stay dangerous" ..

Might it not be out of the question to ask him kindly to put those funds into the hands of a trusted escrow?
Since he plans to be so honest and whatever from now on right? Like he says..
That would possibly be a nice show of good faith..
If they exist as you say..

Since the account is already tagged and they're running two signature campaigns which I believe are self-escrowed, has anybody given a thought that they might just run away with the escrow money and still have nothing to lose? I mean they have shown the tendency to come back again with new accounts.

How 5?

I can remember only these:

- Lying about BitBlisscoin, and the paying deadley 7 ETH or whatever the amount was back.
- His whole involvement with Alia and her "gambling script".

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You'll so get used to it and before you know it, you'll start guessing which accounts are controlled by QS and which aren't, believe me. 

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Zapo/aTriz, what were you thinking when trying to create a new identity here? Did you forget how bitcointalk works or?

People started suspecting you the moment you came up with 2 new high paying campaigns out of nowhere, just like how aTriz did. Even if you haven't shown your naivety or anything here through the Zapo account_{(yet  )}, it is still not enough for people to give you another chance. Instead of asking for another chance, prove it, and managing 2 campaigns isn't enough if you think that's going to change anything. Just be careful with what you're playing with.

You know you have a problem when you need to say that.


That would be his ~5th chance though, so - no.

Just wowed by the scammer ....

Another new account with same two faced fucker... Did u sell aTriz?

All those who apparently have a pecuniary interest in you are supporting you, no surprises.

I too had my suspicions that you are the same pimp when you refused me in your campaign, but then I guess some people are petty assholes.



Long Live The Racist Coterie.

I am not aware of atriz case because I am still somehow a newbie in the forum.

I participate in IOU and BQT campaigns, managed by Zapo and I think he is a good manager.
Zero spammers, payments in time.

I wish good luck to Zapo clearing up the problems he had in the past, as he is doing a nice job in the forum, as Loycev pointed out.

Thanks Loycev, for exposing the situation. This forum surprises me everyday.

I haven't had much, if any, interaction with Zapo thus far but I still swear aTriz had better English writing skills than he's shown in this thread--and that's not meant to be a slap or anything, just an observation.  I don't see anything that would be gained by this if the two accounts weren't the same, so I guess I'll take all of this at face value.

I'm not going to leave any new feedback for Zapo.  I do believe in second chances, and the big difference between aTriz and someone like QS is that the latter doesn't even understand where he fucked up, much less admit to and apologize for it.  I don't know anything about cunicula and what his problem is, but it doesn't sound like he's trying to make amends or restitution.  He ought to start his own thread if he thinks this is a bunch of hypocrisy, however.

archive | trust page
It does not but you are making your red trust too cheap. Think about it.

https://youtu.be/v__qBmkuqF0

New account magically removed this:



 

Bitcoin gives you the choice not mandatory.  

Look mate I do not know you and do not want to throw any comment about you without knowing you well but I feel like you are trying to take advantages of this topic.

There are a lot of people who wants to have fair chances (not even 2nd chance) but it does not mean that you will ruin someone else's topic and pull things to leverage your problem. Don't make it a game.


Thanks

Just go away. The number of shenanigans you are involved in via aTriz shows you are willing to do just about anything to make a few dollars, even if that means others are harmed and/or defrauded. 

You know how strict DT's are when it comes to that issue, for me Zapo should accept that he made a very bad decision on that cased. We keep telling lower ranks user to just continue their life using those accounts because they have committed a mistake.

As I have said if ever zapo will be able to fix the problem or can then proved that he is more careful by now and trusting him is no more an issue then eventually everything will be fine.  Only ATRIZ can solve the problem

If you think that the tagged given by DT's are injustice then have a petition for that. Second chance is always been given of course Zapo deserves to have it especially if he is worthy of getting it. That is why I am asking him to try to fix it with those DT who tagged him out and prove his worth.


Of course you and quickseller deserves second chance that is why your are still here and not banned

I particularly know many here and how forum was in 2011 and 2012 where many users who are donator used to have account  which are dormant now because they made so much btc here by butterfly scams and et.al..
All the users including you are still not older than me,the only thing is that i did not made alt account back in 2011.
Kindly dont drive this thread to one to one discussion, you can always pm me on old bitcoin forum if you want a conversation.

Many regulars here know.
The "real" cunicula knew.
So, I assume I'm right with my assumption of a bought account?

Thank you mate for you this reply.
I will still continue using my this account as it is very dear to me.
I will still continue making good quality post as before the only thing is that i will not be able to pay back if signature campaigns dont pay me off.
Btw thanks for your reply.

@qwk, though you are designated as donator but still who t** F*** you are in real?

Here's the first reply. The problem with announcing "my account got hacked and someone scammed!" is that there's no way to verify it. It's inadmissible as a plea for innocence. Everyone can use that excuse, just like everyone can use the "my family member went on my account" excuse. Allowing that to pass creates the most abusable precedent ever.

I haven't taken a look at your posts but even if you have incredible post quality, it doesn't matter. Joining signature campaigns just "for the money" isn't something that I believe a BCT member should do. Just like how I frown heavily upon bounty hunters and all those garbage members buying/seeking out merit just so they can join a bounty.

You should find a different source of income to repay the debt.

Negative trust should have no impact on the quality of discussion. Additionally I see no problem trading with the use of escrow, and having you send first. If you're scammed, you can create a report as there shouldn't be prejudice towards negged users in that regard.

Didn't notice before, but who t** f*** are you?
You're obviously not the cunicula from years ago.
Bought / hacked account?

So, you're asking for equivalence here.

No comment.

This is a not as bad as argument and will have no impact on your rating.

In a general sense, negs should follow about the same degree of impact (i.e. scamming as opposed to wrong opinions). But, that's in general. Making a case between two different people will not change much unless it's something notable enough to set a precedent.

The aTriz case is a garbled mess and doesn't really relate to many other individuals, and certainly not you. A similar case can be said about Quickseller.

I am not trying to juice up the matter, i am just thinking that i also want a second chance , is'nt quickseller also a great guy who is repped just for self escrowing, dont he deserve 2nd chance?
How many scam ico atriz did?
Bitbliss, bazista, moonico, chrysoscoin, rockmining...?? On top he lied also that he dont have any alt accounts when called for and that time still he was using zapo account.

I know atriz want to take sympathy so do i.

Edit part:
I am just wondering why atriz aka zapo told his name kevin??arent we here just for anonymity, did btc was not created for that? Even forum theymos wanna be anonymous so he bans everyone who try to dox him.

Atriz i know you are a scammer and you want to get back in white game by giving high bounty payoffs to trusted members but not all are like what you think.

Yes, please check telegram. I'll tell you everything I know about him.

Thank you for your input people.

Stop trying to leverage this incident towards your own issue. I see that you're bumping old threads and making a ruckus. Stop.

You do not deserve a second chance. You flat-out stole money. You are untrustworthy, full stop.

Hi Zapo/aTriz ( ) I understand that you said you used to know pinkman12345 however I am just wondering if you can help me to provide some information which will help me to bring back my 0.2BTC and other guys 0.25BTC? I hope you remember the telegram chat we has few days ago. Thanks mate for your understanding.

Lol, "you deserve a second chance", calling for you to get negged beyond recovery.

If this forum really believes in second chances, then Zapo deserves one. If we want to continue as a hostile place where everybody is afraid to make mistakes, then go right ahead with your crusade.

We all know full well that getting multiple negs removed is nigh-impossible, it is not a deterrent it is a death sentence. In the Bitbliss campaign Atriz was the bounty manager, ergo the messenger, famous quotes anyone? I understand Snakey got screwed out of 17 ETH, but pinning that debt on to Atriz, then negging him for non-payment is frankly ridiculous. Based on this logic, one could assume that both Atriz and Bitbliss owe Snakey 17 ETH, which sums to 34 ETH or double his loss. Sure, Atriz might have said he'll pay him back and then didn't, but he should not be punished twice for the same mistake, nor should he punished for non-repayment at all.

Let's see how the forum deals out justice, I'm expecting a truly warped view of justice to be seen here today.

I know that you are a great signature campaign manager. However I still believe that you should still have a red trust since the certain issues about you was not solved yet.
I am thankful that you atleast realized that hiding really is not the solution of your problem.


You deserve second chance but for now I am calling out @pharmacist,@lauda, @suchmoon, @ibminer and @ognasty  to consider tagging zapo's account.

Thanks for doing the right thing coming clean, and saving me the trouble of creating this thread.


Allow me to emphasize that Zapo did a great job so far, running several signature campaigns without spammers, and he's been trusted with quite large funds to pay those campaigns.

Hi BTT,
Well, as most people have noticed as of today, I'm Kevin, also know as Zapo and previously, Atriz. LoyceV, posted this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46487639, a couple hours ago, when I was looking for a 0.3BTC loan. I guess it's time to come clean and address some issues. I will swear on god, that this entire post will contain no lies, and all I wish is for other people to truly understand me. I’m not mad/disappointed at Loyce at all, actually I think it’s pretty moral of him to post that, and I completely understand his/her position.

Let’s start at the beginning of aTriz’s downfall, shall we? Well, It was never my intention to EVER defraud, or scam anyone. I can admit I was very careless, and maybe didn’t act the best in certain situations, and this is due to my inexperience, and I guess spontaneous nature. The goal was to maintain a good relation with everyone, and have a steady income with management. The Bitbliss debacle was fucked up, especially in the way I responded. I never really dug deep into their site and never checked if they were a scam, and for some fucked up reason, I thought if I lied about being involved in it, it would be easily solved. The only time I noticed it was a scam, was when they stopped responding to my questions a week after the campaign ended, and they didn’t send over my last payment of 0.1/0.2 BTC if I can remember correctly.

As for snakey debacle, I Definity had the idea of paying him back in mind. Like many people, I know and used to like pinkman12345 very well, and we worked together a lot, with him helping with eth dev work, and me giving him little tips here and there and giving him a small loan there and there.  The last trust feedback I gave him was in December of 2017 when he helped me distribute tokens.



I was going to keep paying him back, as much as I could, until I them realized that Pinkman/JH/Lackeo, who was one of my closest friends at the time, was the same person as the guy who is trying to get 17 ETH off me. Of course, I was pissed, and at that point, I gave up on either redeeming myself on aTriz. No one would believe me, and there was no way I could prove this, except with just the similar write styles, and screenshots from JH, and screenshots from snakey where both a Samsung device (looked like a note8/s8). I hope the people reading this, can understand that I was definitely not going to hand over a couple grand to a friend who backstabbed me. Proof of them being alts can be found in this post - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46437898.

As for the 0.3 BTC loan I requested, I was actually going to pay that back, as too many people’s surprises.  This account was my last straw, and I really wanted to change from the old, careless aTriz style, to a new person who was kind, and someone I was pleased with. The only reason for the new account is because bitcointalk doesn’t really offer any chance of redemption, and I felt it was easier to start afresh, and then improve of myself, then attempting to change on aTriz and do some good as Loyce pointed out. Was also looking forward to working with them someday when I no longer have to hide the truth, they really are an incredible asset to the community

Well, for the future, I’ll continue activities on this account, and keep attempting being the person I strive to be. I won’t exit scam with escrow funds, or work with any scam ICOs, or anything shady, but I think it’s already too late for me to make a return. I’ll remain in the community, hopefully for the best, and I’ll ask for a second chance, but I’m pretty I’ll be bright red after this.

Well, feel free to ask me anything, now the rabbit’s out of the hat. I promise to answer everything honestly.