Topic: Confession - Zapo=aTriz. (Read 14025 times)

I've just seen in my notes there was also a connected UID TeamJamal [B.o] who was ^{Last Active:    April 09, 2018, 03:07:25 PM} [a.t] [w.a.o]

while Zapo [B.o] [a.t] [w.a.o] was created ^{Date Registered:    April 08, 2018, 09:42:24 PM} some 18 hours earlier.

I don't think aTriz and jamalaezaz were originally controlled by the same person, but after aTriz got tagged, at some point he gave his account access to someone else for signature earnings. So by now, it could be anyone controlling it.
Not that it matters, the account is properly tagged and anyone trusting him now should be well aware of the risks.

I knew aTriz and Zapo were owned by the same person, but I don't recall that person owning the jamalaezaz account--and the link between the first two was made a few years ago, so my memory might be fuzzy on the matter.  However, I long suspected jamalaezaz of being shady, even before I tagged him but there was a time when aTriz was working his way up to being a respected campaign manager. 

I'll take a look at the trust pages for aTriz and jamalaezaz, but was that connection made a long time ago or more recently?  It could be a memory issue on my part, but I'm finding myself a little surprised that all three of these accounts are connected.  Then again, there shouldn't be anything on bitcointalk capable of even making me blink after being here so long.  Master-P, anyone?

True, but the three threads get bogged down in discussions at one point concerning when ownership transfer occurrs.


After consideration, I've amended my previous trust feedback to now read:


Feel free to point out if this (or any) are wrong.

Some highly respected members seem to think that aTriZ = Zapo and I know Jamal owns the aTriZ account so 1 could conclude they are all 3 owned by the same person IMO.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/confession-zapo-atriz-5043497

All 3 accounts are already tagged so you having yours there or not doesn't really make a huge difference. I guess to those that directly trust you I suppose. I can respect you wanting your feedbacks to be accurrate though.

Indirectly it does. 

I've been reviewing (yet again  ) my trust feedbacks to ensure they are accurate and saw both names and noticed the two connections.

Does it matter? https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zapo-2015835
Bunch of negative trust and has not been here in over 4 years.

Is there other drama someplace that I missed that brought this up?
If not then I would just file it in the whatever, not important pile.

-Dave

Sorry to necro bump this, but the My Apology to Bitcoin Community and Request for another Chance thread started by jamalaezaz is locked and the aTriz account has most likely changed hands thread started by Cashi was last active 2018-10-04

My question is if aTriz and jamalaezaz are alts, does that mean Zapo is jamalaezaz ?  There are no Flags against Zapo and the two aforementioned threads aren't clear about the co-ownership.

aTriz is back, but why not Zapo?

Although he leaves us this message:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/atrizs-bounty-and-signature-campaign-managment-services-available-2232934

(I just bumped this thread for I know this is the right section to discuss it)

Shame. He was pretty much the only "new" campaign manager who came here and was doing what he should have been by checking and denying participants due to quality, but something didn't seem right because of that because it's such an anomaly. I even thought about leaving him positive trust because of it but glad I didn't now.

I think we should probably be more weary of 'new' campaign managers here because they're often trusted with a lot of money and I'm sure many of them will just be building up for some long con or siphon off money to their alts (as some have already been caught doing).

I simply came to see what  the lying asshole is at again...


He posted earlier that all of this is the truth in response to me; now where have we heard this before

Your escrow has been shit, maybe because the "team" wanted to minimize their exposure to you (because they knew), maybe because you just suck at it, maybe both..
ftfy
The "escrow" is often sitting underbudget and therefore not protecting participants at all. It's not really even an "escrow", the "team" is just giving you funds to divvy out as needed, not even as needed..
It seems you had about 0.26 in "escrow" for a few days recently but the transactions are such a mess.. Coming from exchange hot wallets and using change addresses - mess..

You should have stuck with the signed escrow address in the OP to keep it TRANSPARENT and simple for all to confirm the campaign is ACTUALLY under escrow, which it is not anyway.. Use a consistent escrow address would ya? You didn't sign any of those other ones did ya? We have no idea who owns outputs to random addresses..
Currently your escrow is negative what, .25 btc? From what I can make of it..

The escrow in the OP is just a ploy to start the campaign and goes right out the window once participants sign up..
Since YOU are the "escrow" if that campaign scams right now it is YOUR fault. Money out of your pocket you owe them because you promised you were protecting the participants from the "team" via escrow.. You have placed that burden upon yourself..
I have mentioned your escrow a couple of times and I think you just don't want to admit that you aren't holding shit anyway..  

"Leeway"? Are you guys running a professional business or just winging it?

"Flying to Dubai" is more important than keeping their word? More important than paying their employees? Plane don't have wifi?
I didn't look into it but, are they really "flying to Dubai"? If they are willing to blow their commitment to you, and their employees, off - blow you all off because they are on a plane, do you really think it is a good idea for you to bear the burden of payments for them by being the "escrow" when you have no funds?

No way I would put myself in the position of "escrow" and let it ride with one party not fulfilling their obligation, risk my neck for all those funds..
No way, especially if I didn't have the funds to cover my vouch.
Much less taking out a large loan I couldn't repay and bearing the financial responcibility for some flake "team" flying to dubai, at the same time..

You must be seriously desperate for that job to risk your financial neck to them like that, or more likely risk your name AGAIN and risking the participants financials..  

Quote from: Zapo on October 05, 2018, 07:09:08 PM

I'm not incorrect. It did take a lot of planning and talking.

Sure isn't the whole truth now is it? Leaving out the exact details he was getting at weren't ya?
If you didn't want the world to know you should have PM'd him the truth..

Quote from: Zapo on October 05, 2018, 07:09:08 PM

It was a lot of months since my last lending applications.

Dude...
You just asked for a 1BTC loan less than a month prior!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45276131
http://archive.is/1pdLo since you like deleting similar shit
September 06, 2018, 06:00:57 AM

Quote from: Zapo on October 02, 2018, 11:49:44 PM

I'll be converting the BTC into USD for the purpose of paying bills and making purchases, but I will be paid a set BTC amount by my employers, so this is why I'm asking for this loan tied to BTC.

I'm more than happy to re-negotiate loan terms, making everyone happy.

Negotiate HIGHER than 33.333% interest?
Then you are going to pay bills and buy things.. Not very sustainable.. Very confident in your income from "employers" and ability to repay the loan..  

And now..

Quote from: Zapo on October 04, 2018, 08:02:12 PM

half me sort of desperate.

Are you desperate to buy things like some Black Friday wackjob consumer addict?
You didn't tell those lenders you were desperate did you?
That was all you just being some actor.. Some anon alias, playing the part..
You admit misrepresenting a lot in your lending applications..

Are you desperate for money to survive? Are you confident enough in your financials to spend 1BTC on a large purchase on credit? Are you that desperate to buy things?
Choose one..  

What are you going to do when you get even more desperate?
Which is likely.. You really are willing to skate on thin ice wanting a large loan to buy things while holding a negative balance "escrow"..

Quote from: Zapo on October 05, 2018, 08:04:43 PM

I ran a lending buisness

Quote from: Zapo on October 04, 2018, 08:02:12 PM

not knowing how high-interest rates are on bitcointalk

These RECENT ACTIONS are plenty for me, regardless of old Atriz drama with snakey or other, that "Kevin" is not a highly trustworthy individual..
Not to say that I think he is going to exit scam a campaign, a large loan, or both.. But his word is no good..
A person's WORD to me is more important than "have held large funds"..

The last person you should lie to, or misrepresent facts to (at best), are potential creditors.. IMO


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Lets dig into this part..

Quote from: Zapo on October 03, 2018, 07:00:36 AM

Quote from: zazarb on October 03, 2018, 06:55:21 AM

Quote from: Zapo on October 02, 2018, 11:01:05 PM

Hi Bitcointalk, I'm looking for a loan with these terms,

I found the public has access only to the following address where you held fund:
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/17wW3y8HgcRACw6e8wjB5bkuc1CFJzvRQM
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/14cJEUeGm157ok88ouskfDGwbSmzf2Kgcr
Total 1.76BTC

Hi zazarb,
I didn't bother with changing the escrow address weekly, because of the wallet I use changes addresses everytime I send a TXID. For example, here is a TXID thats not from an address listed in the OP.

Quote from: Zapo on October 01, 2018, 07:52:29 AM

Was refilled by devs via https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/13900245d8b37c3b5177647e808b65eb2cd9bff69919d4380b9d8c5946c064ad

Both addresses zazarb quotes held some funds from 8-8 until 8-16 and 8-18..
Which convienently coorelates with the openings of both campaigns BQT and IOU..
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/iou-true-p2p-e-commerce-loyalty-platform-on-blockchain-4845370
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ended-bqt-signature-campaign-member-hero-00007-btc-post-4862272

Like I said earlier, just a PLOY to start the campaigns and then the "escrow" goes right out the window..
They are also what he uses as reference for being so trusted.. "I held those funds I'm super trusty"

BUT, zapo's reply with...

Quote from: Zapo on October 01, 2018, 07:52:29 AM

Was refilled by devs via https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/13900245d8b37c3b5177647e808b65eb2cd9bff69919d4380b9d8c5946c064ad

Shit multi TX from a hot wallet for 1, he should have linked to https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/address/1AKwj14zZfGPcbXkJE7iVF8hLctrMjRhJF ..
It only held funds for 14 hours, which is NOT "escrow"..

STOP calling it "escrow", it is merely fund distribution..  Unless you are guaranteeing payment out of your own pocket, which you can't afford, and then it's still not "escrow", but a guarantee vouch..

Quote from: Zapo on August 08, 2018, 07:45:01 AM

Payment Details

Escrow Address - 17wW3y8HgcRACw6e8wjB5bkuc1CFJzvRQM

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is Zapo confirming that I am holding 0.7 BTC for the IOU signature campaign (first week). This address should be topped up weekly.
17wW3y8HgcRACw6e8wjB5bkuc1CFJzvRQM
Hxf/fLeKYzb/Zf+4PdBMwNv1oyqvgidu61j+Lx0P+CYUGTBOZQnsAEn6qkRh/D12yuohJ7wPuPhPyo+T+LQ5qzk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Quote from: Zapo on August 10, 2018, 04:44:14 AM

Escrow Address - 14cJEUeGm157ok88ouskfDGwbSmzf2Kgcr

Code:

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This is Zapo confirming that I am holding 0.7 BTC for the BQT signature campaign (first week). This address should be topped up weekly.
14cJEUeGm157ok88ouskfDGwbSmzf2Kgcr
Hz53nUWZzrzi5ICkpcWqeefToEQramEFdfpzvMWhYLPhSyucpKoW7iTyKYh0AzTy5TjGXr1KADAa2wAFtU7NE+U=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

"Topped up weekly" - lol        Didn't bother.. Should yeah if it was really an escrow, but it's not..
The signed messages are not even proof that zapo held those funds.. It is not an old known address of his..

Just as he was "forced" to continue a scam campaign because he had 2 weeks invested in it, now he is "forced" to continue as a fraudulent "escrow"..

I would tell the "team" to fulfill their escrow obligations as promised or fuck right off, but I'm not desperate to make money from Bitcointalk, and who knows what the agreement really is between zapo and the "team"..

These people love to keep things confusing, its pretty much part of the MO.

Ok. PM received and deleted.

So there is some kind of evidence that might be true or maybe not, however it doesn't show proof when aTriz bought account.

Defrauded investor has tried to scam aTriz sending him fake tokens as collateral loan. I posted this somewhere in one of the topics earlier.

I still don't see connection between pinkman12345 and snakey because everything is very confusing.

Well thanks for taking the time to fill in the gaps for me.

I must say I'm surprised that you ever sent along your private key to anyone. I can see why you made this extreme error in judgement considering you were making attempts to repay a defrauded investor.

You have the right to make your own decisions regarding repayment and what you feel is right. Taking the hurt feelings out of the equation though, despite them (assuming all connections made are accurate and true) snakey/pinkman12345 lightening your wallet for you; they did not steal above and beyond what you originally said you would pay back. Which I still feel was a big move, and owning responsibility for your lack of due diligence. *

All I can say is that I don't distrust you. I also wouldn't fully trust in anything you are apart of... there are very few people whom I would. I feel I've met your type before in that the details can get lost in the shuffle and that at times you are trying to handle to much; again maybe that's a product of how your spring turned out. Apart from the forum I don't know what you've been through, but there are definitely things that you dropped the ball on here that compounded your problems. Moving forward, try acting like the newbie you came back as for these 2 main points.

Escrow your funds - While it doesn't build your trust of holding funds and distributing them, it shows your willing to do the work with out the potential of funds missing. This could have been useful in the cases of tokens going missing, and in light of it being shown you trusted the wrong person with your private keys so recently put others at ease. Ensuring your employers provide these funds at the beginning of a round will also make it smoother if/when they want to cut payouts down, this way you can pay everyone on time and keep things transparent.

Feedback - It's tough to go back a few months and say this is how things went down when we have a system in place to document and track scams/or other untrustworthy behavior. I feel you should have done this with the whole Pinkman/Snakey. Might have even prevented others from getting ripped off as you appear to have been the first under the Pinkman banner. You could have also tied the alts together if the proof holds up to scrutiny.

Good luck, with your endeavors. I do believe you can come back from this just take your time, and when in doubt maybe think " If I post this on the forum for all to see... will I be run out of town?"

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Glad to see you are providing information going forward for those trying to recoup their default loans from Pinkman.

* Adding to the above, if you do plan to move forward with reimbursement to meet the originally agreed upon total. I don't see an issue with having this hashed out between you, Snakey/Pinkam, and the 2 lenders who have outstanding defaulted loans before any distribution of funds takes place. This all assumes the proof of alts is definitive, conversation is all open and above board between the 5/4 parties. Not my money just my thoughts.

Alright, I'll do it when I have time. He didn't deny or confirm it, but if you have talked to JH on tg before, it's quite obvious you are talking to the same person. I'm pissed at myself that I didn't get this earlier.

Alright, please don't leak.

Gonna shift through my email and try login in my bread wallet to find TXID and my angry email to bread support about getting hacked.

I can share that story
It started when I merited this post (with LoyceMobile).
What got my attention, is that Zapo posted a (zoomed in) screenshot of it:
I didn't expect a 4 month old fairly new Campaign Manager to know me. The use of the word "Alright" triggered me too, I've seen that used by aTriz in the same way.

Recognizing me and my alt was confirmed the next day:
Add the fact that a relatively new user started managing 2 Bitcoin-paying signatures campaigns with high rates, and the fact that Zapo was created just 3 days after aTriz received his first red trust, and it became very likely to be aTriz.

Send me PM.


Let me see if I got this right.
3 ethereum stuck in wallet, you asked someone for help, they said they can't fix it and your ethereum magically disappeared? You have to be kidding me! 

Can you post transaction ID?

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Ok, I think I have to update this topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rakeshdobar1-is-alt-of-engg-chakks-3062663 with some newer information.

I have been here for sometime and saw the allegations about bitblisscoin, the alia drama and subsequent negging of aTriz. From those incidents, aTriz comes across as someone who wants to stay involved with BCT and campaign management. This is probably what leads to the painstaking effort he has put into ensuring professionalism with Zapo account.

People tend to resort to desperate actions for business when they are too involved. It is worrisome. In a decentralized marketplace, reputation is everything. Who decides on reputation? The subjective 'Trust' decisions lead to group-think and oligarchial strurctures. They even become meaningless for someone too big to fail. For example, in case of Quickseller. He supposedly has an army of alts and a -9999 rated account but does alright. (I mention QS purely as an academic interest. The account could be a case study in reputation and trust issues.)

I suppose it works just fine for QS. I suppose it should work just fine for aTriz/ Zapo too as long as they don't stray too far from the honest / Full disclosure path. More than anything else though, his quandary should give us a lesson as to what kind of ethical behavior to follow while doing business HERE. Not resorting to "doing whats necessary". This may get you short term results but in a decentralized marketplace, it has a non-zero chance of doing some non-zero damage to whatever RPG character you choose to play on here.

Whether this inherent correcting nature of the market / RPG actually works or not depends on what kind of disincentive this creates for business-owners who choose to be casual with their dealings. For the long term, this is the most important takeaway. Other than that, I guess we also need an objective measurement of how "Number/severity of mistakes" reflects on "reputation."

PS: Zapo, Taking back the application. Thanks

Nothing in life is necessary.  But if you want to fix something that's broke, you have to make an effort.

You didn't earn this money the hard way, and just because you were scammed shouldn't prevent you from making right another scam.

Remember what I said earlier, ill gotten gains never go far...

Edit:

Pls post screenshots of your conv so we can also see that pinkman12345 = snakey (sander patt on telegram).