Confessions of an /r/bitcoin moderator

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Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on August 21, 2015, 10:44:19 AM

Quote from: kelsey on August 20, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin forum and moderate it however they chose Shocked

that is not that easy because there is a network effect.

you can also say: anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin.

I went and re-read the article and thanks again for posting it. I fully agree that most would like to see a sensible compromise in the core implementation.

If XT is an alt-client as he suggests then moving discussion of it to the client section rather than altcoins here on bitcointalk would have made more sense.

While I can see that starting a new subreddit is difficult due to network effects, it may actually be very worthwhile, after all, that is the only way to break free of theymos's control of the discussion of bitcoin, which seems to be his core complaint.

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Audio:

John Ratcliff reads his recent article Confessions of an R/Bitcoin Moderator which talks about the "is BitcoinXT an Altcoin" controversy that was used to justify banning discussion of the proposed fork from several prominent community hubs.

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-240-as-they-see-it

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on August 23, 2015, 01:42:53 AM

Quote from: smoothie on August 23, 2015, 01:06:16 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 04:58:00 PM

You should be grateful that theymos has been able to keep these forums up against all the DoS attacks and basically allowed anyone to say anything they want.

Otherwise you'd have a bunch of fragmented communication sites and no economy-of-scale for us to speak to each other efficiently as a global community.

He allowed all that block size debate to go on and on and on.

You are free to compete and make your own top Bitcoin forum. Even Google refuses to link to this forum any more, because TPTB don't like the free speech that theymos provides. They'll probably take down his forums somehow eventually.

Come on just admit it. You love politics, communism, and a big government dick up your ass as a result.

Are you saying that we all should bow down and thank Theymos?

You do realize that the main source of funds to run the site are from users yeah? Donations and ad space auctions.

I don't think that's the main source of funds, I think it's the only source of funds.

There is almost no censorship here at all. Theymos is the most liberal forum admin I've ever seen. Hell, if I was doing his job, I wouldn't allow me to say some of the things I say. He took harassment from people like Matthew over and over and over again and did nothing. He banned Matthew and Atlas time and time again but always allowed them to return to do the same shit. There are people still using this forum that should have been (on any other forum would have been) permabanned years ago. OP give up, you're stirring an empty pot of shit.

Your username says it all... Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Kprawn on August 23, 2015, 02:42:45 AM

I also do not like censorship, but with all the XT brigading that was going on in the \r\Bitcoin sub Reddit, I was actually relieved that he temporarily banned such behavior.

You cannot have a small percentage of people disrupt a communication platform for their own benefit, and think moderators will not act on that.

Brigading is frowned on in all of Reddit, not just in \r\Bitcoin. You are free to create your own forum, if you not satisfied that this forum or \r\Bitcoin serve your need.

It's just not that entertaining if you have 20 members. Roll Eyes

small percentage of people? 70% all the worldwide hashingpower - 14 % of all nodes, experts like Gavin, Mike and other people. that is not a small percentage.

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I also do not like censorship, but with all the XT brigading that was going on in the \r\Bitcoin sub Reddit, I was actually relieved that he temporarily banned such behavior.

You cannot have a small percentage of people disrupt a communication platform for their own benefit, and think moderators will not act on that.

Brigading is frowned on in all of Reddit, not just in \r\Bitcoin. You are free to create your own forum, if you not satisfied that this forum or \r\Bitcoin serve your need.

It's just not that entertaining if you have 20 members. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: smoothie on August 23, 2015, 01:06:16 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 04:58:00 PM

You should be grateful that theymos has been able to keep these forums up against all the DoS attacks and basically allowed anyone to say anything they want.

Otherwise you'd have a bunch of fragmented communication sites and no economy-of-scale for us to speak to each other efficiently as a global community.

He allowed all that block size debate to go on and on and on.

You are free to compete and make your own top Bitcoin forum. Even Google refuses to link to this forum any more, because TPTB don't like the free speech that theymos provides. They'll probably take down his forums somehow eventually.

Come on just admit it. You love politics, communism, and a big government dick up your ass as a result.

Are you saying that we all should bow down and thank Theymos?

You do realize that the main source of funds to run the site are from users yeah? Donations and ad space auctions.

I don't think that's the main source of funds, I think it's the only source of funds.

There is almost no censorship here at all. Theymos is the most liberal forum admin I've ever seen. Hell, if I was doing his job, I wouldn't allow me to say some of the things I say. He took harassment from people like Matthew over and over and over again and did nothing. He banned Matthew and Atlas time and time again but always allowed them to return to do the same shit. There are people still using this forum that should have been (on any other forum would have been) permabanned years ago. OP give up, you're stirring an empty pot of shit.

smoothie

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 04:58:00 PM

You should be grateful that theymos has been able to keep these forums up against all the DoS attacks and basically allowed anyone to say anything they want.

Otherwise you'd have a bunch of fragmented communication sites and no economy-of-scale for us to speak to each other efficiently as a global community.

He allowed all that block size debate to go on and on and on.

You are free to compete and make your own top Bitcoin forum. Even Google refuses to link to this forum any more, because TPTB don't like the free speech that theymos provides. They'll probably take down his forums somehow eventually.

Come on just admit it. You love politics, communism, and a big government dick up your ass as a result.

Are you saying that we all should bow down and thank Theymos?

You do realize that the main source of funds to run the site are from users yeah? Donations and ad space auctions.

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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on August 21, 2015, 11:26:22 PM

Quote from: RGBKey on August 21, 2015, 12:41:54 PM

Theymos has too much power to control discussion by himself, for someone that supposedly supports bitcoin, he sure likes centralization...

You should start your own forum to stop all this terrible forum centralisation.

did you not read the article? his whole jist was sure anyone could, but no one should have to. The community should be able to discuss and make decisions based on consensus, after hashing out the pros and cons, and how it will affect all btc users.

Sure he could go start one, but migrating 100's of thousands of users, probably wont happen.

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Quote from: RGBKey on August 21, 2015, 12:41:54 PM

Theymos has too much power to control discussion by himself, for someone that supposedly supports bitcoin, he sure likes centralization...

You should start your own forum to stop all this terrible forum centralisation.

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Quote from: fryarminer on August 21, 2015, 12:39:08 PM

Fantastic article OP.

that was a great, and interesting read.

It certainly is hard for anyone on this forum, or anyone who supports btc to read that and still think as positively about where btc is headed. seems like all the "positives" about btc are seemingly going away. miners, btc "high ups" and the companies are becoming centralized, anonymity is not exactly guaranteed, adn its legal status still seems to be dubious at best, depending on how the gvt wants to get you.

and, now there are apps/companies offering similar money sending features that far exceed the ease of use of btc (and confirmation time)

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Theymos has too much power to control discussion by himself, for someone that supposedly supports bitcoin, he sure likes centralization...

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Fantastic article OP.

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Quote from: kelsey on August 20, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin forum and moderate it however they chose Shocked

that is not that easy because there is a network effect.

you can also say: anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin.

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"Bitcoin is already ridiculously centralized because of mining pools. Whether the block-size increases or not will have hardly any effect on this major existing problem. If we want to have a serious discussion about centralization, then it should be 'what are we going to do about mining pools'?"

No problem my friend... Mr. Gavin "to the rescue" Roll Eyes

: http://www.coindesk.com/gavin-andresen-rejects-bitcoin-centralisation-concerns-web-summit/

He said:

"Centralisation of mining is going to go in waves. Now you see economies of scale for companies that create huge mining farms where electricity is inexpensive. Once those [ASIC] chips become commodities and inexpensive, you'll see it decentralise again."

Oops!!

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Quote from: galbros on August 21, 2015, 03:00:07 AM

Quote from: kelsey on August 20, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin forum and moderate it however they chose Shocked

Or even post here in the altcoins section.

I agree the reddit post and moderation on reddit seemed heavy handed, but I don't spend much time there to see how bad it had gotten. I was surprised many of his posts there get massively downvoted, so he's not all powerful.

As to here, after reading about it, it's pretty clear that bitcoinXT is not bitcoin as I've come to understand it and so I'm fine with him saying it needs to go in altcoins. It may one day overtake bitcoin, maybe it should replace bitcoin, but it isn't bitcoin.

By that logic, we all are not using bitcoin right now and it died long time ago

Roll Eyes

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Quote from: kelsey on August 20, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin forum and moderate it however they chose Shocked

Or even post here in the altcoins section.

I agree the reddit post and moderation on reddit seemed heavy handed, but I don't spend much time there to see how bad it had gotten. I was surprised many of his posts there get massively downvoted, so he's not all powerful.

As to here, after reading about it, it's pretty clear that bitcoinXT is not bitcoin as I've come to understand it and so I'm fine with him saying it needs to go in altcoins. It may one day overtake bitcoin, maybe it should replace bitcoin, but it isn't bitcoin.

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Quote from: Lauda on August 21, 2015, 02:28:26 AM

Quote from: kelsey on August 20, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin forum and moderate it however they chose Shocked

But, you're wrong. It is easier to complain about the non existing censorship in addition to spreading misinformation. Roll Eyes

AFAIK things are getting out of control. This is like the 5th thread I've seen where people complain about "censorship", while there is none. If there was real censorship, we would not be seeing such threads nor would we be ever hearing from those members again.

i'd agree i think the mods are being too conservative with their moderation atm. just look at the threads, insults and misinformation left right and centre.

but forum moderation is up to the forum owner and their moderators, tis a big internet out there you can post anywhere you like if you don't want to follow the rules at any individual forums.

some seem to think its their god given right to post anything they want anywhere they wish Roll Eyes

in the history of this forum i've had many a post deleted, when it happens i don't think "censorship"., i think "sorry my bad for breaking the forum rules"

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Quote from: kelsey on August 20, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin forum and moderate it however they chose Shocked

But, you're wrong. It is easier to complain about the non existing censorship in addition to spreading misinformation. Roll Eyes

AFAIK things are getting out of control. This is like the 5th thread I've seen where people complain about "censorship", while there is none. If there was real censorship, we would not be seeing such threads nor would we be ever hearing from those members again.

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anyone is perfectly free to start their own bitcoin forum and moderate it however they chose Shocked

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Quote from: TPTB_need_war on August 20, 2015, 05:49:10 PM

Quote from: meono on August 20, 2015, 05:43:17 PM

Wait what did i steal?

Yeah Communists never do figure that part out. Good point.

Retard i compared Theymos to Chairman Mao, and you think i'm a commie

lol

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