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April 14, 2015, 09:43:48 AM
#30
No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

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Sheriff's Office procedures were reviewed last week by the national Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement. The inspection was scheduled before the shooting occurred and was not done in response to it, Glanz said.
"They looked at all of our policies and found them to be in order," Glanz said. "And they looked specifically at the reserve program and found it to be in order."

So the program he operates under is an accredited law enforcement program. I've never heard of a "reserve deputy program" before, but it seems like part time police officers.
Ok, thanks for the info. It isn't as bad as previously thought then (as in, they are seemingly not sending rich guys onto the streets with no training after all). Of course, killing the guy is still bad.




Killing anyone is bad. And it would only stop if we can control the Gun Lobby. But it seems to people behind the Gun culture are too strong to do anything against them. Even Obmama failed to do anything against them last year after the Shooting incident in School.
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April 14, 2015, 02:00:03 AM
#29
No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story
Could you quote the relevant parts of the article? I couldn't find it with a quick read.

Look right under the guy's photo at the top of the article, that's where I got the information from:
"RESERVE DEPUTY Bob Bates: He was assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations."

Also, this from the article:
Quote
Sheriff's Office procedures were reviewed last week by the national Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement. The inspection was scheduled before the shooting occurred and was not done in response to it, Glanz said.
"They looked at all of our policies and found them to be in order," Glanz said. "And they looked specifically at the reserve program and found it to be in order."

So the program he operates under is an accredited law enforcement program. I've never heard of a "reserve deputy program" before, but it seems like part time police officers.
Ok, thanks for the info. It isn't as bad as previously thought then (as in, they are seemingly not sending rich guys onto the streets with no training after all). Of course, killing the guy is still bad.
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April 13, 2015, 10:30:25 PM
#28
I love the way the other officer responded: F*ck your breath Tongue

This is really bad. We are talking about a dead man. He might have a family, kids and parents who were waiting for him.

Even if he did survive from that tragedy, he won't be coming home to his family coz he will go to jail for selling illegal firearms.
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April 13, 2015, 09:56:38 PM
#27
I love the way the other officer responded: F*ck your breath Tongue

This is really bad. We are talking about a dead man. He might have a family, kids and parents who were waiting for him.
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April 13, 2015, 09:40:22 PM
#26
I love the way the other officer responded: F*ck your breath Tongue
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April 13, 2015, 07:39:25 PM
#25
Apparently the guy who shot the suspect wasn't a police officer:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1428891056

I had no idea they allowed rich civilian donors to play police officers without the regular formal training. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and now it happened.

What I also find strange is that he wasn't able to tell the difference between a gun and a Taser. But I guess that might be down to the fact that he isn't even trained to be a police officer.

This is F*cking crazy! SO if I give the cops enough money I can be a cop on the weekends?  Who gives this untrained old guy a gun and lets him play cop anyways? Even if he wasn't a cop the other cops are complete dicks and out ofline . Guy gets shot, the other cop puts his knee on the dudes dome. Guy is saying he cant breath and the cop replied "F*ck your breath". This is what the militarization of the police force does, it creates a us vs them mentality and them are treated below humans. It is the same principle with soldiers in Iraq, the decensitizing of the people you are fighting. No big deal with accidently killed that guy he was jsut a dumb ass haji.

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story

Thanks for clearing that up, I was gonna say that is madness.

My favorite part of that article

Sheriff Stanley Glanz described Reserve Deputy Robert Charles "Bob" Bates as a longtime friend who made "an error" last week when he fatally shot an unarmed man trying to flee deputies during an undercover operation to retrieve stolen guns.


"He made an error," Glanz said. "How many errors are made in an operating room every week?"

An investigator retained by the Sheriff's Office found that Bates violated no policies. The case is now in the hands of the District Attorney's Office.

Asked if he thought the shooting was justified, Glanz said, "That is a hard word for me to answer."


What a bullshit excuse, if any citizen "accidently" shot someone it would be murder and the sheriff would be talking about how if you shoot someone you need to pay the price. They love nailing huge trumped on charges on people over petty shit. I was reading the other day somehwere in Florida a kid changed the windows start up screen on a teacher's computer he didnt like to two guys kissing. They are now charging him with felony computer crimes because somewhere on that computer was encrypted test files.

And the last thing I bolded, does he mean the guy that was shot was a piece of shit in his eyes so it was somewhat justified?






Yeah, the way the Sheriff is defending this guy sounds like a couple of Good Ole Boys looking out for each other. His refusal to answer the question is probably because he knows he's in deep trouble. I'm glad the prosecutor had enough sense to bring charges, because the "independent" review by the police department shockingly found no violation of the law!
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April 13, 2015, 07:36:20 PM
#24
No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story
Could you quote the relevant parts of the article? I couldn't find it with a quick read.

Look right under the guy's photo at the top of the article, that's where I got the information from:
"RESERVE DEPUTY Bob Bates: He was assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations."

Also, this from the article:
Quote
Sheriff's Office procedures were reviewed last week by the national Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement. The inspection was scheduled before the shooting occurred and was not done in response to it, Glanz said.
"They looked at all of our policies and found them to be in order," Glanz said. "And they looked specifically at the reserve program and found it to be in order."

So the program he operates under is an accredited law enforcement program. I've never heard of a "reserve deputy program" before, but it seems like part time police officers.
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April 13, 2015, 07:12:38 PM
#23
No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story
Could you quote the relevant parts of the article? I couldn't find it with a quick read.
legendary
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April 13, 2015, 07:11:56 PM
#22
This is getting pretty crazy. These guys they are on Grand Theft Auto V or something, to be shooting random people like that.
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April 13, 2015, 04:08:43 PM
#21
Apparently the guy who shot the suspect wasn't a police officer:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1428891056

I had no idea they allowed rich civilian donors to play police officers without the regular formal training. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and now it happened.

What I also find strange is that he wasn't able to tell the difference between a gun and a Taser. But I guess that might be down to the fact that he isn't even trained to be a police officer.

This is F*cking crazy! SO if I give the cops enough money I can be a cop on the weekends?  Who gives this untrained old guy a gun and lets him play cop anyways? Even if he wasn't a cop the other cops are complete dicks and out ofline . Guy gets shot, the other cop puts his knee on the dudes dome. Guy is saying he cant breath and the cop replied "F*ck your breath". This is what the militarization of the police force does, it creates a us vs them mentality and them are treated below humans. It is the same principle with soldiers in Iraq, the decensitizing of the people you are fighting. No big deal with accidently killed that guy he was jsut a dumb ass haji.

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story

Thanks for clearing that up, I was gonna say that is madness.

My favorite part of that article

Sheriff Stanley Glanz described Reserve Deputy Robert Charles "Bob" Bates as a longtime friend who made "an error" last week when he fatally shot an unarmed man trying to flee deputies during an undercover operation to retrieve stolen guns.


"He made an error," Glanz said. "How many errors are made in an operating room every week?"

An investigator retained by the Sheriff's Office found that Bates violated no policies. The case is now in the hands of the District Attorney's Office.

Asked if he thought the shooting was justified, Glanz said, "That is a hard word for me to answer."


What a bullshit excuse, if any citizen "accidently" shot someone it would be murder and the sheriff would be talking about how if you shoot someone you need to pay the price. They love nailing huge trumped on charges on people over petty shit. I was reading the other day somehwere in Florida a kid changed the windows start up screen on a teacher's computer he didnt like to two guys kissing. They are now charging him with felony computer crimes because somewhere on that computer was encrypted test files.

And the last thing I bolded, does he mean the guy that was shot was a piece of shit in his eyes so it was somewhat justified?




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April 13, 2015, 03:43:52 PM
#20
Apparently the guy who shot the suspect wasn't a police officer:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1428891056

I had no idea they allowed rich civilian donors to play police officers without the regular formal training. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and now it happened.

What I also find strange is that he wasn't able to tell the difference between a gun and a Taser. But I guess that might be down to the fact that he isn't even trained to be a police officer.

This is F*cking crazy! SO if I give the cops enough money I can be a cop on the weekends?  Who gives this untrained old guy a gun and lets him play cop anyways? Even if he wasn't a cop the other cops are complete dicks and out ofline . Guy gets shot, the other cop puts his knee on the dudes dome. Guy is saying he cant breath and the cop replied "F*ck your breath". This is what the militarization of the police force does, it creates a us vs them mentality and them are treated below humans. It is the same principle with soldiers in Iraq, the decensitizing of the people you are fighting. No big deal with accidently killed that guy he was jsut a dumb ass haji.

No, this isn't true. See the link I posted directly above (or below!) for context. He was a trained law officer assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force and had specialized training in homicide investigations.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story
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April 13, 2015, 03:38:06 PM
#19
Apparently the guy who shot the suspect wasn't a police officer:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1428891056

I had no idea they allowed rich civilian donors to play police officers without the regular formal training. It was a disaster waiting to happen, and now it happened.

What I also find strange is that he wasn't able to tell the difference between a gun and a Taser. But I guess that might be down to the fact that he isn't even trained to be a police officer.

This is F*cking crazy! SO if I give the cops enough money I can be a cop on the weekends?  Who gives this untrained old guy a gun and lets him play cop anyways? Even if he wasn't a cop the other cops are complete dicks and out ofline . Guy gets shot, the other cop puts his knee on the dudes dome. Guy is saying he cant breath and the cop replied "F*ck your breath". This is what the militarization of the police force does, it creates a us vs them mentality and them are treated below humans. It is the same principle with soldiers in Iraq, the decensitizing of the people you are fighting. No big deal with accidently killed that guy he was jsut a dumb ass haji.
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April 13, 2015, 03:33:26 PM
#18
Where is this nonsense about pay to play cops coming from? This isn't true. Let's stick to the facts. He was a reserve deputy sheriff, perhaps because of his age (73 years old), but nevertheless he was a trained law officer.

And btw, he was charged with manslaughter today.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepage1/updated-district-attorney-steve-kunzweiler-charges-reserve-deputy-with-second/article_883e0747-46e9-595d-9c4f-e1cb4fdabbf4.html?mode=story
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April 13, 2015, 03:29:26 PM
#17
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db4_1428801807

After they shoot him they promptly but a need to his dome.

Man died 1 hour later.


 Huh Another person murdered by the police, and also in this case it was not necessary (also if it was accidently) they could stop it and handcuff him easily.


Some of the murders by police may be racial but one can not generalize it. A cop is also a normal individual and he/she also has to think about his/her own safety. It should be judged on case to case basis.

This doesn't justify shooting people in the back when they present no danger at all.

Exactly why murder him?

It really looks like they shot him when he was already on the ground.

He was.

The weapon should be only the last possibility, why murder/kill a person instead to chase it and stop. C'mon 4-5 cops against one and they can stop him without kill him Roll Eyes (also if it accidentally, if it was an incident who has shoot should pay and we know the cops will never pay for its mistakes).

They obviously just like shooting people. They've got stun guns and batons, right? If the people are unarmed use them if there's a present danger but there usually isn't even that half of the time.

I think one day people will get really bored and start a revolution against the system and the cops will in the first rank.
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April 13, 2015, 03:23:07 PM
#16
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db4_1428801807

After they shoot him they promptly but a need to his dome.

Man died 1 hour later.


 Huh Another person murdered by the police, and also in this case it was not necessary (also if it was accidently) they could stop it and handcuff him easily.


Some of the murders by police may be racial but one can not generalize it. A cop is also a normal individual and he/she also has to think about his/her own safety. It should be judged on case to case basis.

This doesn't justify shooting people in the back when they present no danger at all.

It really looks like they shot him when he was already on the ground.

He was.

The weapon should be only the last possibility, why murder/kill a person instead to chase it and stop. C'mon 4-5 cops against one and they can stop him without kill him Roll Eyes (also if it accidentally, if it was an incident who has shoot should pay and we know the cops will never pay for its mistakes).

They obviously just like shooting people. They've got stun guns and batons, right? If the people are unarmed use them if there's a present danger but there usually isn't even that half of the time.
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April 13, 2015, 03:08:22 PM
#15
It really looks like they shot him when he was already on the ground. It's hard to get anything from the video but the suspect looked fine when he was running and being caught by the cop, so the shot must've happened later. He wasn't threatening them and was unarmed, weapons should've never been used in such situation.

The weapon should be only the last possibility, why murder/kill a person instead to chase it and stop. C'mon 4-5 cops against one and they can stop him without kill him Roll Eyes (also if it accidentally, if it was an incident who has shoot should pay and we know the cops will never pay for its mistakes).
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April 13, 2015, 03:05:16 PM
#14
It really looks like they shot him when he was already on the ground. It's hard to get anything from the video but the suspect looked fine when he was running and being caught by the cop, so the shot must've happened later. He wasn't threatening them and was unarmed, weapons should've never been used in such situation.
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April 13, 2015, 02:51:11 PM
#13
Apparently the guy who shot the suspect wasn't a police officer:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3a0_1428891056

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pays to play cop

What the hell? That's a thing?

Lolwut? That guy PAYS to be the cop? What for? To feel some power over people? America fuck yeah!
That's a nonsense. How it's possible?
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April 13, 2015, 10:37:54 AM
#12
What does it mean accidently Roll Eyes , c'mon guys all the cops are bastard. Another victim of a cops, maybe we must start to call them terrorist because they bring to the citizen a sort of terror.
Yes I think cops should be trained in similar situations so they can handle it better and not by killing someone. They should implement more psychological tests aswell.
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April 13, 2015, 08:58:40 AM
#11
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db4_1428801807

After they shoot him they promptly but a need to his dome.

Man died 1 hour later.


 Huh Another person murdered by the police, and also in this case it was not necessary (also if it was accidently) they could stop it and handcuff him easily.


Some of the murders by police may be racial but one can not generalize it. A cop is also a normal individual and he/she also has to think about his/her own safety. It should be judged on case to case basis.
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