Topic: Correlation between buying and selling of bitcoin: Is it a technical methodology - page 2. (Read 436 times)

There is no such thing as marketers on this market. It's all about the supply and demand of Bitcoin and that's making the price go high and down.

That's more of the technical thing and also about the halving which cuts the reward for the miners, when there's lesser reward for the miner. It's giving the lesser amount of Bitcoin which makes mining more expensive because the supply that's being mined is lesser than before.

Moreover, just go back to the law of supply and demand and that's it.

The law of  demand and  supply has a lot to do with the increase in  supply and availability of the product(bitcoin), once there is a scarcity of the product, the value goes high,  so also if the product is very much available, the value drops. So the market forces between the buyers and sellers, always determines if the value will increase or decrease.
So if a seller deside to sell the product at a higher amount, automatically most sellers will tow towards increasing amount of the product, buyer's will try to fight that amount to a lower price. Hence there will be a back and forth price range between both of them.

Every average of 10 minutes, a Bitcoin block is mined with thousands of transactions in addition to 6.25 new Bitcoins being generated. These Bitcoins may enter the market directly as a quantity offered or may be kept. If they are kept, the market will change according to the price movement over the two days, even if there is a demand higher than Selling will increase the price, and the statement is true, so you always find that after the block reward is reduced, the miners keep Bitcoin because they believe that its price will increase, and traders and investors will do likewise. As a result, there is no new supply and there is an increase in demand, so the price rises.

The market isn't "programmed". The exchange doesn't set the price. It just reports the price of the most recent trade as "the price". The exchange actually reports three prices: bid, ask, and last. bid is the highest price that any buyer is currently offering to pay, ask is the lowest price that any seller will currently accept, last is the price of the most recent trade.

Traders set the price they want to buy or sell at, and the prices of trades change as a result of traders competing against each other. If a trader can't buy or sell at the desired price, then they have to raise or lower the desired price until they can execute a trade.

Also, there are people that buy or sell "at the market", which means they pay the ask price or they sell at the bid price.

The price represents the balance of supply and demand. By supply we mean the coins available for sale - not the total amount of coins in existance. By demand we mean the amount of fiat money that want to buy Bitcoin. The price goes up when demand is larger than supply. This can mean that either more fiat money wants to buy Bitcoin, or that less bitcoins are up for sale. Price fall is the opposite - more coins are up for sale, less fiat money that want to buy them.

I see that the discussion has been broken up by examples of fruits, miners and the Halving event, among others.

First of all, I mentioned it in recent days, you may know absolutely nothing about bitcoin, as in this case, perhaps!, but you pose your question incorrectly, that is, the short answer is supply and demand. Spot!

OP, you question a "thing",  that you should known..., in fact, it is something empirical, that is, you learn without going to school; it is, supply and demand determines the price of any "thing."

Then, your doubt begins for not understanding these basic principles that apply to everyday life  and that in a way is the best example ever, of how to learn about bitcoin.

How do you want to learn about bitcoin if you don't master other basic concepts, which are sometimes general culture or traditional academic training to deal with other knowledge..

If you want to learn about bitcoin, you must have an "academic" or empirical basis that allows you to understand that natural correlation between supply and demand.

Then, supply and/or demand is a variable that intrinsically depends on the niche where it operates, bitcoin, like any other "thing" that is bought and sold, is affected by different factors that make the supply and demand variables, affect the price.

So, almost always these variables, supply and demand, are based on situations intrinsic to them, e.g.; Supply remains the same,(1) demand grows, then )supply falls therefore demand remains the (2) same or (3)grows.

Now, unlike those traditional "things", bitcoint maintains a limited production, that is, "21 million" and it is that same fact which makes it attractive, but the intrinsic laws of supply and demand "punish" it and make it go through that volatility that affects its price, not only upwards but also downwards.
^imho.

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Welcome to your Bitcoin trip. Exciting, right? You want to know how Bitcoin prices move, which many beginners find puzzling. I have an idea: Prices rise when people buy and fall when they sell because of supply and demand. Buyers express desire. When demand is high and supply is low, prices soar.

Limited Bitcoin supply and low mining returns raise the question of what will happen when we reach that limit. How would that affect prices and miners' motivation? That sparks ideas. Will supply and demand hold when block payments, miners' main motivation, become less important?

The market works with a Supply and Demand principle in general.

Sellers sell bitcoins and buyers buy bitcoin. If selling pressure from sellers is bigger than buying force from buyers, price will fall. If buying force is bigger than selling pressure, price will take off.

However, in this market you must know about leverages, margins, futures and forced liquidations that can make price crashes or rises a lot. Many people lose money by forced liquidations when they want to gamble in the market.

The answer is Volume and Time.

Prices are booked based on what is agreed price being bought and sold. Depending on the volume of the specific time an asset is being transferred, it will paint the price as how it is illustrated in candlestick charts.

When the volume changes because there's lesser participants or the time change because it passed, then it will consider as another transaction.

In short, by October 11, 2023 9:03 PM (time) a person will sell 1BTC on 4 willing buyers (volume). When It's already 9:04 (time changed) and only 3 willing buyers accepted the transaction, that's how the price was booked.

Exactly the number of buyer is equal to the number of seller but the price set out is different. For example if the bitcoin price is $27k just like it has been moving side ways this past few days then a bad news hit crypto world like an exchange getting to close down or something like that then many people have large funds on that exchange so they are obliged to sell, with this news the buyer now sets is price down from $27k to $26.5k. With the desperate need of selling the seller trades at that price, then the price chart of others will ultimately change too and as the sellers are desperate they sell at the price. Now with more sellers coming to sell at that price the buyers now influence the market again by going lower since the supply is more. This how you find the price decreasing gradually until dust settles.

Once everything settles, and many buyers are back to accumulate maybe for occasions like halving, this time the seller sets a price and since the buyer is desperate to have is bitcoin he aggress with that price and buys, subsequently other buyers follow suit and the price begins to go up again as the seller this time around sees many desperate buyers

With this illustration, that means the market is already programmed to work in that manner. The more people demand for bitcoin, the price will tend to increase itself and when they sell, the price begins to reduce. Buying and selling are proportional to each other, because you can’t buy when there’s no seller. If that is the case, won’t buyer=seller; then where does the market programmed that way to increase or reduce the price of bitcoin come into play in such scenario?

Again if you read and understand my statement you'll see that I clarified that it's the circulating supply on an exchange. Buying and selling affect the circulating supply on an exchange and the circulating supply of Bitcoin currently is showing on coingecko as BTC19,508,837. Circulating supply can't be measured in fiat value but actually figures. The circulating supply mightn't be accurate as well because I don't see how possible it is to track all Bitcoin in circulation as some might be lost or not on the market circulating (as a result of investors hodling).

Buying and selling affect the circulating supply of Bitcoin on an exchange as when they're more buyers, technically more Bitcoin are leaving the exchange while when there's more sellers more Bitcoin are been introduced to the exchange.

Yes, buying and selling of bitcoin does not affect the total supply of bitcoin but neither do they affect the the circulating supply of bitcoin. The circulating supply of bitcoin which is currently approximately $19.5 million is affected by nothing than mining reward, but the supply can have have effect on the price of bitcoin as lost coin among them will make bitcoin scarce and which can have positive effect on bitcoin price.

the supply was always 21 million. the ability or pace to unlock all the 21 million coins slows every 4 years.

my biggest wish about btc would be to have had 4 blocks an hour not 6.

1/2ings would have been every 6 years not every 4. same 21,000,000 coins

so
 satoshi's way.      Phil's way
2012 50-25            2014 50-25
2016 25-12.5         2020 25-12.5
2020 12.5-6.25      2026 12.5-6.25
2024  6.25-3.125   2032   6.25-3.125


but projections like above are think experiments or imagination games. I have to think it would have made a large difference in growth rates of coin value.

You are forgetting one important aspect. No one can generate more bitcoin than what is written in the consensus rules. The coin's scarcity coupled with big demand gives it value. The newly minted coins per block are fixed, regardless of how much processing power you possess. But a new apple producer that enters the market with a huge supply is able to bring the prices down and even put small producers out of business.   

I think that would be wrong to say that such actions will not increase or decrease the quantity of BTC available. Because the overall quantity remains the same, while the circulating BTC increases or decreases. For example if one is selling and that is reducing the price it, means that person has reduced the amount of BTC in circulation and vice versa. But after reading this you will be confused and will ask that if someone is selling then on the other hand someone would be buying it too. Right?

But my dear, it is not necessary that on the other hand, a buyer will be present because, on most of the exchanges, there are liquidity pools of the exchanges which ensure a seamless trading experience. This means they don't want you to keep in waiting for the completion of the trade, they will trade your USDT with their own BTC or vice versa. And just giving a remainder, the price of BTC does not solely depend on the Demand and supply factor.

This is the most simplest and technical explanation of the buying and selling correlation of BTC. And I really liked this explanation. To be honest, I don't think OP needs another explanation for understanding it.

Bitcoins do not expire, bitcoins do not rot, you don't consume Bitcoins and they are not produced randomly in one season but with near complete accuracy. Also unlike a miner who can simply shut down its miners if the reward is lower than the costs there is no way for a farmer to cut losses with the same predictability, plus, let's not even mention the fact that no matter how much gear you point at mining coins you won't be able to mine more than 900 coins a day on average, with apples it takes a few years but you cat quadruple the entire world production.


That's one of most annoying thing, I just hate when some claim that the supply is going down with the halving.


Oil is not in fixed supply and it went from -40 to $80, something I don't see Bitcoin ever being able to replicate 
Volatility has nothing to do with the supply, stocks have a limited supply too and they are all over the place in a messy day.

Well apples can be kept fresh for 13-15 months.

https://www.foodrenegade.com/your-apples-year-old/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-Methylcyclopropene


So they are not the example to use.

Back to op's question.

Perception of necessity can raise demand a lot.

So if people think they need it and can not get it the price rises.

Thus the ½ ings create the perception it is running out.

Next year blocks drop to 3.125 coins .

the daily crop of coins will drop from 144 x 6.25 = 900 to 144 x 3.125 = 450

It all comes on to the key players influencing the Bitcoin price. Who are the key players here? Buyers, Sellers, miners because of the mining rewards, and those who speculate. The price of Bitcoin reflects the supply and demand with a given limited supply of the number of Bitcoin that can be mined. When the demand for Bitcoin is high the price will go up, when the demand for Bitcoin is low the price will go down. It is a basic economic principle where buying and selling activities impact the price.

As an example let me quote you how an apple farmer sells his apples. We are considering that the farmer in a year through his farm produces 1000 apples. If the demand for apples goes high with the fixed produce then the farmer will increase the price. If the demand for apples goes down with the fixed produce then the farmer will reduce the price. The reason is that you cannot sell stale apples in the market.

Simple reason; Demand and supply. Both buying and selling happens when the price of Bitcoin is increasing and when it's decreasing but the difference is that when the price is increasing, there's more of buying going on and when it's decreasing, there's more of selling going on.

The action of buying and selling can actually affect the quantity of Bitcoin available on the market because the more we have more people selling (a larger quantity of Bitcoin will be available on the market) but when we have more of buying going on, they'll be reducing the quantity available for trading as more people are buying.

Buying and selling doesn't affect the fixed supply of Bitcoin but it affect the circulating supply. Just understand that selling = more people bringing their Bitcoin to the market (which increase the circulation supply on exchanges).