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Topic: Could BTC ever be manipulated like Wall Street is? - page 2. (Read 1801 times)

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According to Wyckoff's theory, the manipulation refers to the Market Makers, Strong Hands, if we take it to the cryptocurrency market it would be the whales, but it is not a totally directed manipulation in one direction, as there are the bearish whales and the bullish whales, where there is a constant battle to prove who has the most strength in the market.

Today, we have seen that the Bitcoin graphic has a student structure since 2009, where according to Wyckoff's theory it shows the Accumulation and Distribution stages. At present we can make studies of technical analysis and fundamental analysis, then, the Strong Hands , they are the ones that decide the direction of the market, and for now until they do not accumulate 70 or 80% of the bitcoins, they will not be able to have the bitcoin their bullish.

According to Tom Williams, author of the book Master the Markets, there is talk about Institutional money, which refers to a possible manipulation of the market, but why manipulation? Simply because they are the ones who have enough money to move the market to the levels they decide to carry.

If we make a parenthesis, in the Stock Market, there are also these movements, which, many times, are not seen as manipulation but as an injection of institutional money.

Then, making a small analogy, that manipulation is of the people or institutions under which, with large amounts of money are able to move the market, and if they exist, being that most of the traders in the cryptocurrency market do not have Such a high power of money to move the market as they can. Then it will be a good term to call these movements manipulation?
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there are many whales in the community and they are the on who can manupilate the market.
If you have a hundred BTC and you want to sell it at rush, then it will be a big problem then. that is manipulation!
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Btc is already manipulated by big whales.

If btc will be present on Wall Street one day, then manipulation will be there at another level. Huge whales will be anywhere, so price will not be "free of manipulation" no matter what.
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It is already being manipulated by whales, media FUDs, where there is market there is manipulation.

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Btc cant be manipulated like wall street the reason is bitcoin is decentralized and transparent it cant be manipulated like other stocks

Being decentralized does not means that it cannot be manipulated anymore  .  bitcoin can be manipulated by crypto whales  .  though i dont know if what is the difference between wall street manipulation and crypto manipulation  .

exchanges and whales are the one manipulating the price.

Exchanges dont manipulate the price . they only list what is based on the exact data or infos about the crypto coins  .   some says there are exchanges that manipulate the volume of the coins but those exchange are crappy and seems shady .
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Btc cant be manipulated like wall street the reason is bitcoin is decentralized and transparent it cant be manipulated like other stocks
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It is already being manipulated by whales, media FUDs, where there is market there is manipulation.

Well i kinda agree with you there since it's not a question of "could it be manipulated" anymore. Manipulation is happening and we're at times at the mercy of the whims of big players. You just have to learn how to ride these manipulations and make profits when these whales do.
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It is already being manipulated by whales, media FUDs, where there is market there is manipulation.
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Although whales(those that purchase coins in huge quantity) can have an effect on the prices of coins they hold. External bodies can't manipulate it the way Wall Street is
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Gold is hardcore manipulated, a big part of it is done with naked shorts. At least that's not possible with BTC, if I see it clearly.

The question is if we should be concerned about JP Morgan ever taking over BTC like they have taken over silver and gold and controlling it.
Everyone is aware of the fact that inside trading is seen as a crime in the regulated market, be it stock trading or metal or any other derivatives, but bitcoin  being a new market and there is no regulation regarding that, expect these sort of inside trading and other manipulation in the market by big shots or financial institutions who can shell out big amounts just for their benefit.
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if bitcoin price is yes, but i think the bitcoin itself no.. exchanges and whales are the one manipulating the price..its difficult when whales start to play their money, small investors are the ones suffering
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Exchanges can manipulate basically anything they want and you've got no protection if you leave your coins on one, at least until voting pools become feature that users demand from the exchanges.

Wall Street is getting involved in the exchange market, and as soon as they do be very, very careful. Keep as many of your bitcoins as possible in your own wallet and regularly withdraw your entire balance all at once just to make sure the exchange actually has them.

It's virtually guaranteed that they are going to play undisclosed fractional reserve games with customer deposits.

That is why like banks if we have huge of amounts of money and we want to withdraw a large amount they would need weeks or even months to withdraw? Like exchange there are limits too. I thought we could withdraw any amount we want in the first place. If they play undisclosed and lose all of those amounts what could happen to our deposited assets on an exchange? Now I am starting to withdraw my assets and just keep em safe at my own wallet. These folks really know what to do with our money, it is really safer not to put it on exchange.
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the cryptocurrency, which has a strong base while the same is manipulated by the fear of the people
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The source of manipulation is Fiat, bitcoin exchanges are more rational when there are supply and demand. Whereas fiat can be made at any time and can be used to manipulate the value of bitcoin.  Cheesy
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The Bitcoin price is determined by supply and demand, so it is quite obvious if someone has enough fiat, they can basically get in and buy a bunch of coins over a long period and then suddenly dump them on the market, to cause some panic on the markets. When the price drops down, they just buy back these coins at a lower price than what they acquired them.

It just needs to be pointed out that a whole lot of bitcoins is needed to do this and a lot of fiat money. This is normally not done by individuals, but rather a group of whales.  Angry
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I was reading a thread online weeks ago about how every industry have a certain group of influencing bodies who manipulate the prices of the market they belong to. This is true especially in industries that have really wealthy individuals be it government officials, billionaires or the like, these are the big sharks or whales that have their final say effect the way things are being done in these industries. So in bitcoin too, there are influencing bodies, market manipulators who own a very good number of bitcoin to their names. If they decide to stop circulation of bitcoin, they can very much do it with ease.
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All the delays in withdrawals on Gox show that they are willing to use a large amount of staggered reserves. There is no doubt about that. These whales include the government and its affiliates, banks and all the other billionaires who can easily find any penny they want! All we can do is surf with it, which affects the market and the encryption value. Unless I see the price at Bitfinex, Bitcoin prices are going up sharply and prices have dropped dramatically.
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I think that bitcoin and crypto currency are even more manipulative than we can imagine
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If they have borrowed property or given an option to cover, it's not. well ... when i have 5 BTC in my wallet on my bitcoin-QT software ... it's not a database. bitcoin will survive again "big sale" ... the computer industry's traders do this.
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if the manipulators of the course too much drop the course, we will be able to talk about bitcoin to our children as a failed way to get rich and buy lambo. But seriously, the manipulation of the rate can really threaten the stability and faith in bitcoin, as a currency that can change something in the future
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