Could Elon Musk have been wrong about AI?

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Quote from: Emily_Davis on November 30, 2018, 10:09:17 AM

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Quote from: joker6756 on November 29, 2018, 10:17:40 AM

So you think that the guy who is working in this sphere is being wrong about its problems? I don`t.

Not wrong but hypocritical to say the least.
Furthermore tech companies are the least transparent firms. If it was bad, they would have not invested in digitizing everything including intelligence that could potentially destroy us, so they say.

What's wrong with digitizing things, including intelligence? Human intelligence, to be exact? If it can be possible in the future and it can extend the lives of the people then what's the harm? Besides, it's not like the man is using your money to maked these technology but his own, right? It might be too SciFi for a lot of people, but what if it really can be achieved? Think about it.

Nothing wrong with it at all. I just think technology should be exploited by projects that have values and transparency regarding their activities.

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Quote from: JealousCup on November 29, 2018, 07:41:20 PM

Quote from: joker6756 on November 29, 2018, 10:17:40 AM

So you think that the guy who is working in this sphere is being wrong about its problems? I don`t.

Not wrong but hypocritical to say the least.
Furthermore tech companies are the least transparent firms. If it was bad, they would have not invested in digitizing everything including intelligence that could potentially destroy us, so they say.

What's wrong with digitizing things, including intelligence? Human intelligence, to be exact? If it can be possible in the future and it can extend the lives of the people then what's the harm? Besides, it's not like the man is using your money to maked these technology but his own, right? It might be too SciFi for a lot of people, but what if it really can be achieved? Think about it.

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Quote from: joker6756 on November 29, 2018, 10:17:40 AM

So you think that the guy who is working in this sphere is being wrong about its problems? I don`t.

Not wrong but hypocritical to say the least.
Furthermore tech companies are the least transparent firms. If it was bad, they would have not invested in digitizing everything including intelligence that could potentially destroy us, so they say.

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So you think that the guy who is working in this sphere is being wrong about its problems? I don`t.

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Quote from: scheascha on November 26, 2018, 10:32:31 AM

The fact that Elon is working in this sphere himself only makes me more afraid that he is right about. That means he got some knowledge and perspective that people like us dont.

Right... just like those who are centralizing cryptos. Discouraging others from getting involved in a promising technological project for humanity.

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The fact that Elon is working in this sphere himself only makes me more afraid that he is right about. That means he got some knowledge and perspective that people like us dont.

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Quote from: Ladysmith on November 23, 2018, 05:50:25 AM

Everything can be considered dangerous, it depends on how it's used. Water is necessary for life. Too much at once could kill you.

AI will be extremely powerful, which is why it is imperative that it's used correctly. (not for war or crime).

Most people are hypocrites to some extent. It's only human to say one thing and do another. Elon Musk is also human, contrary to popular belief. Maybe he knows that singularity is inevitable, so he wants to make it as beneficial as possible so that humans can keep up. This is the nature of the neuralink. If you can' beat 'em, join 'em.

My point exactly. And if he's so worried about any potential danger that may come with AI development, why not focus on creating the infrastructures needed to prevent it from happening instead of discouraging his competitors?

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Anyone can be right and can be wrong. But Elon is a very focus and determined guy. So even if he is wrong, I am sure that he will find a way to make it right.

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Everything can be considered dangerous, it depends on how it's used. Water is necessary for life. Too much at once could kill you.

AI will be extremely powerful, which is why it is imperative that it's used correctly. (not for war or crime).

Most people are hypocrites to some extent. It's only human to say one thing and do another. Elon Musk is also human, contrary to popular belief. Maybe he knows that singularity is inevitable, so he wants to make it as beneficial as possible so that humans can keep up. This is the nature of the neuralink. If you can' beat 'em, join 'em.

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Of course can, he is a person, and any person, can be mistaken

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Quote from: flametoken on November 20, 2018, 06:25:05 AM

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Quote from: Sherwood_Archer on November 14, 2018, 07:47:45 PM

Could you provide some links that we could read so that we can have more context about the topic that you are talking about?

There you go pal: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-10-22/kai-fu-lee-says-elon-musk-wrong-about-ai-danger-video.
And needless to say that Musk has been an open critic of AI development, yet his Neuralink project is moving forward. Is AI really that bad or is the guy confused?

I think precisely because he is a critic of the AI development he is working on Neuralink. He thinks that, by having a direct connection between brain and computer, we thwart the AI doomsday predictions, because the AI will be an extension of us and we will be in a symbiotic state. This is Elon's way of insuring that AI won't destroy humanity.

Well, I am all for technological progress and applaud the many projects on AI development, but I still maintain that Musk statements were part of a FUD strategy. At the end of it, it's just a matter of making money.

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Quote from: orange_marmalade on November 15, 2018, 03:47:05 AM

Unlike the cognitive abilities of a human being with emotion being a factor in our decision making, AI would not have that same decision making factor therefore the AI would act logically in any situation regardless of remorse, but I hope the coding would make it not resort to violence and lethality.

That description reminds me of a psychopath, who feel no such remorse when they did something wrong. Assuming we are talking of an AI that can think on its own, it makes me think if AI will be like that. They are intelligent, even more intelligent than the smartest human, but they are incapable of empathy.

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Quote from: JealousCup on November 15, 2018, 05:18:28 PM

Quote from: Sherwood_Archer on November 14, 2018, 07:47:45 PM

Could you provide some links that we could read so that we can have more context about the topic that you are talking about?

There you go pal: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2018-10-22/kai-fu-lee-says-elon-musk-wrong-about-ai-danger-video.
And needless to say that Musk has been an open critic of AI development, yet his Neuralink project is moving forward. Is AI really that bad or is the guy confused?

I think precisely because he is a critic of the AI development he is working on Neuralink. He thinks that, by having a direct connection between brain and computer, we thwart the AI doomsday predictions, because the AI will be an extension of us and we will be in a symbiotic state. This is Elon's way of insuring that AI won't destroy humanity.

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I don't see it becoming a threat to whole humanity (at least not anytime soon), but as it's still programmed by a man himself, then without doubts some errors will happen and we cannot see what the outcome of that will be. Just fingers crossed that it will do more good than harm.

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Quote from: ClassyDancer on November 19, 2018, 07:28:12 PM

I think Musk is an eccentric person, but is quite consistent with his thoughts. If you follow him on Twitter, he’s just a pro-tech guys who’s a future-thinker. And didn’t one of his Tesla features (some kind of defense mode) which people initially thought was gimmicky, ended up helping people during the CA wildfires? He’s an innovative person and seemingly knows what we need before we even realize it.

And yeah, he’s working on Neuralink –something that will make us superhuman. What do you think about that?

Don't get me wrong, I want the era of super and immortal humans to come but I think it's hypocritical of Elon Musk to warn about the dangers of a technology he's exploiting. I am just grateful that nobody took him seriously in that regard: There are now plenty of projects on digital immortality, so soon we'll be able to live in a supercomputer. Exciting, huh?

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I think Musk is an eccentric person, but is quite consistent with his thoughts. If you follow him on Twitter, he’s just a pro-tech guys who’s a future-thinker. And didn’t one of his Tesla features (some kind of defense mode) which people initially thought was gimmicky, ended up helping people during the CA wildfires? He’s an innovative person and seemingly knows what we need before we even realize it.

And yeah, he’s working on Neuralink –something that will make us superhuman. What do you think about that?

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Quote from: Andrea9000 on November 18, 2018, 08:02:07 AM

I would like to survive until the time when artificial intelligence becomes a threat to mankind. It would be interesting to look at it before death. Such an attraction. Last)

There's a bit of funny in your phrase but I think it's really important for us to ensure we have the right infrastructures in place to prevent a virtual disaster that will impact the real world and potentially kill us all.
But, how would we know that our systems are resilient?

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I would like to survive until the time when artificial intelligence becomes a threat to mankind. It would be interesting to look at it before death. Such an attraction. Last)

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I don't think there is anything wrong with being at least a little worried about AI. It has great potential, but there is also great danger. Many scientists are worried about the possible sentience of AI.

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Quote from: joker6756 on November 16, 2018, 10:49:33 AM

He could. But my guess would be that he is most likely right about it since he has some work in this sphere. We`ll see.

Yes... Makes total sense. Warns others about the dangers of cognitive technologies, yet exploits it for his own financial gain... Isn't it a ruse to discourage his competitors?

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