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Yields tumbled because it was expected that QE3 would be announced in the near future.
Yup, that's how market analysis works. Cheesy Trying to find an explanation post factum.
Of these explanation the one I like most is because of expectations.
If at the time QE2 was finished market participants thought that the Fed would continue to buy bonds (with a possible short break between programs) then this logic would be valid.

Most people know QE will never end in the foreseeable future.


The Fed is actually winding down additional purchases of bonds at a rate of $10 billion per month. Once the additional purchases are complete they will likely have a larger then usual balance sheet for decades. 
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THE GAME OF CHANCE. CHANGED.
Yields tumbled because it was expected that QE3 would be announced in the near future.
Yup, that's how market analysis works. Cheesy Trying to find an explanation post factum.
Of these explanation the one I like most is because of expectations.
If at the time QE2 was finished market participants thought that the Fed would continue to buy bonds (with a possible short break between programs) then this logic would be valid.

Most people know QE will never end in the foreseeable future.

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Yields tumbled because it was expected that QE3 would be announced in the near future.
Yup, that's how market analysis works. Cheesy Trying to find an explanation post factum.
Of these explanation the one I like most is because of expectations.
If at the time QE2 was finished market participants thought that the Fed would continue to buy bonds (with a possible short break between programs) then this logic would be valid.
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They do need reserves or need to lie about it like Lehmans did.
They do need reserves at the Fed but that's not important as they can always obtain them.
What they need more is capital, and the capital requirement is far more important to lending.
The Fed does not need capital or reserves because they can simply "print" additional money to satisfy any capital needs  or when member banks withdraw money from the fed
I was talking about commercial banks reserves which they are obliged to have at Fed.

Commercial banks reserve can be "raised" by having the Fed buying up all the useless securities from them.
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They do need reserves or need to lie about it like Lehmans did.
They do need reserves at the Fed but that's not important as they can always obtain them.
What they need more is capital, and the capital requirement is far more important to lending.
The Fed does not need capital or reserves because they can simply "print" additional money to satisfy any capital needs  or when member banks withdraw money from the fed
I was talking about commercial banks reserves which they are obliged to have at Fed.
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They do need reserves or need to lie about it like Lehmans did.
They do need reserves at the Fed but that's not important as they can always obtain them.
What they need more is capital, and the capital requirement is far more important to lending.
The Fed does not need capital or reserves because they can simply "print" additional money to satisfy any capital needs  or when member banks withdraw money from the fed
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"Shrink"? Good luck with that.
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Yields tumbled because it was expected that QE3 would be announced in the near future.
Yup, that's how market analysis works. Cheesy Trying to find an explanation post factum.
Of these explanation the one I like most is because of expectations.
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There's no apparent need in cutting the portfolio. It will decrease naturally as bonds mature.
If there's a need in soaking up the excessive liquidity they have a range of other instruments, namely repos and manipulating rates on excess reserves.
The fed would need to reinvest the proceeds of matured bonds into new bonds or else liquidity would dry up.
When US treasury bonds mature the treasury must issue more bonds to repay the bonds that are maturing. If the Fed does not buy some of those bonds then the effect would be the same as if it had sold the bonds in the open market.

Are you saying that 80% of the Treasury bonds sold by the U.S. are bought by the Fed, and if the Fed doesn't buy them, nobody else will? That can't be true! Wink

If the fed don't buy the bond, the interest rate will most likely go up the roof as no rational bank or institution will lend the government at near 0% rate.
Nope. The interest rates will likely adjust, but not up the roof (what is considered the roof btw?  Cheesy).

Interest rates would adjust upwards as if the fed was in fact selling the bods that are maturing
That's not certain. I remember the time QE2 ended... The yields tumbled despite being expected to rise.

Yields tumbled because it was expected that QE3 would be announced in the near future.
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There's no apparent need in cutting the portfolio. It will decrease naturally as bonds mature.
If there's a need in soaking up the excessive liquidity they have a range of other instruments, namely repos and manipulating rates on excess reserves.
The fed would need to reinvest the proceeds of matured bonds into new bonds or else liquidity would dry up.
When US treasury bonds mature the treasury must issue more bonds to repay the bonds that are maturing. If the Fed does not buy some of those bonds then the effect would be the same as if it had sold the bonds in the open market.

Are you saying that 80% of the Treasury bonds sold by the U.S. are bought by the Fed, and if the Fed doesn't buy them, nobody else will? That can't be true! Wink

If the fed don't buy the bond, the interest rate will most likely go up the roof as no rational bank or institution will lend the government at near 0% rate.
Nope. The interest rates will likely adjust, but not up the roof (what is considered the roof btw?  Cheesy).

Interest rates would adjust upwards as if the fed was in fact selling the bods that are maturing
That's not certain. I remember the time QE2 ended... The yields tumbled despite being expected to rise.
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There's no apparent need in cutting the portfolio. It will decrease naturally as bonds mature.
If there's a need in soaking up the excessive liquidity they have a range of other instruments, namely repos and manipulating rates on excess reserves.
The fed would need to reinvest the proceeds of matured bonds into new bonds or else liquidity would dry up.
When US treasury bonds mature the treasury must issue more bonds to repay the bonds that are maturing. If the Fed does not buy some of those bonds then the effect would be the same as if it had sold the bonds in the open market.

Are you saying that 80% of the Treasury bonds sold by the U.S. are bought by the Fed, and if the Fed doesn't buy them, nobody else will? That can't be true! Wink

If the fed don't buy the bond, the interest rate will most likely go up the roof as no rational bank or institution will lend the government at near 0% rate.
Nope. The interest rates will likely adjust, but not up the roof (what is considered the roof btw?  Cheesy).

Interest rates would adjust upwards as if the fed was in fact selling the bods that are maturing
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There's no apparent need in cutting the portfolio. It will decrease naturally as bonds mature.
If there's a need in soaking up the excessive liquidity they have a range of other instruments, namely repos and manipulating rates on excess reserves.
The fed would need to reinvest the proceeds of matured bonds into new bonds or else liquidity would dry up.
When US treasury bonds mature the treasury must issue more bonds to repay the bonds that are maturing. If the Fed does not buy some of those bonds then the effect would be the same as if it had sold the bonds in the open market.

Are you saying that 80% of the Treasury bonds sold by the U.S. are bought by the Fed, and if the Fed doesn't buy them, nobody else will? That can't be true! Wink

If the fed don't buy the bond, the interest rate will most likely go up the roof as no rational bank or institution will lend the government at near 0% rate.
Nope. The interest rates will likely adjust, but not up the roof (what is considered the roof btw?  Cheesy).

In the late 70's and early 80's, Paul Volcker had to raise interest to 20% to kill inflation and end stagflation. Zombie companies need to die to free up the labors and resources for more efficient use.

Given the huge debt Federal, states and consumers have today, the interest rate will most likely need to go higher to clean up the system and let people go bankrupt and start from fresh.




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There's no apparent need in cutting the portfolio. It will decrease naturally as bonds mature.
If there's a need in soaking up the excessive liquidity they have a range of other instruments, namely repos and manipulating rates on excess reserves.
The fed would need to reinvest the proceeds of matured bonds into new bonds or else liquidity would dry up.
When US treasury bonds mature the treasury must issue more bonds to repay the bonds that are maturing. If the Fed does not buy some of those bonds then the effect would be the same as if it had sold the bonds in the open market.

Are you saying that 80% of the Treasury bonds sold by the U.S. are bought by the Fed, and if the Fed doesn't buy them, nobody else will? That can't be true! Wink

If the fed don't buy the bond, the interest rate will most likely go up the roof as no rational bank or institution will lend the government at near 0% rate.
Nope. The interest rates will likely adjust, but not up the roof (what is considered the roof btw?  Cheesy).
legendary
Activity: 1386
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They do need reserves or need to lie about it like Lehmans did.
They do need reserves at the Fed but that's not important as they can always obtain them.
What they need more is capital, and the capital requirement is far more important to lending.
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Activity: 448
Merit: 250
It's Money 2.0| It’s gold for nerds | It's Bitcoin
There's no apparent need in cutting the portfolio. It will decrease naturally as bonds mature.
If there's a need in soaking up the excessive liquidity they have a range of other instruments, namely repos and manipulating rates on excess reserves.
The fed would need to reinvest the proceeds of matured bonds into new bonds or else liquidity would dry up.
When US treasury bonds mature the treasury must issue more bonds to repay the bonds that are maturing. If the Fed does not buy some of those bonds then the effect would be the same as if it had sold the bonds in the open market.

Are you saying that 80% of the Treasury bonds sold by the U.S. are bought by the Fed, and if the Fed doesn't buy them, nobody else will? That can't be true! Wink

If the fed don't buy the bond, the interest rate will most likely go up the roof as no rational bank or institution will lend the government at near 0% rate.

That would probably be an exaggeration. If QE were to suddenly stop then interest rates would rise. The federal government is considered to be risk free in terms of a possible default. The only risk that banks take in lending to the federal government is inflation risk
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There's no apparent need in cutting the portfolio. It will decrease naturally as bonds mature.
If there's a need in soaking up the excessive liquidity they have a range of other instruments, namely repos and manipulating rates on excess reserves.
The fed would need to reinvest the proceeds of matured bonds into new bonds or else liquidity would dry up.
When US treasury bonds mature the treasury must issue more bonds to repay the bonds that are maturing. If the Fed does not buy some of those bonds then the effect would be the same as if it had sold the bonds in the open market.

Are you saying that 80% of the Treasury bonds sold by the U.S. are bought by the Fed, and if the Fed doesn't buy them, nobody else will? That can't be true! Wink

If the fed don't buy the bond, the interest rate will most likely go up the roof as no rational bank or institution will lend the government at near 0% rate.
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That assumes someone wants to actually buy it.
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Banks don't lend money they have, they create new money out of thin air instead. And their reserve position doesn't matter when bank makes a decision whether to lend or not.

Banks primarily create money by lending to each other and via their customers.  If the banks lever up a deposit ten times and then loan it out, it only takes one borrower to deposit the cash at another bank and you can see how large amounts of money are being created.
They do need reserves or need to lie about it like Lehmans did.  I think that part of expansion is secondary, most of the risk is in the 1st point with natural double counting of the same cash.

This is where usury or a debt ban starts to make sense like the Muslims used to do.   However I think that spins round again to explain why Saudi Arabia is prepared to gift such support to the USA now.   The way to really find out when it ends is when the backers decide its no benefit for them to continue to float yellens titanic debt situation
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Most likely the portfolio will keep growing until the world stop supporting dollar.

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There's no apparent need in cutting the portfolio. It will decrease naturally as bonds mature.
If there's a need in soaking up the excessive liquidity they have a range of other instruments, namely repos and manipulating rates on excess reserves.

The fed would need to reinvest the proceeds of matured bonds into new bonds or else liquidity would dry up.

When US treasury bonds mature the treasury must issue more bonds to repay the bonds that are maturing. If the Fed does not buy some of those bonds then the effect would be the same as if it had sold the bonds in the open market.
Liquidity is abundant, nobody knows what to do with it (just look at excess reserves).

Yes, effect for a state as a whole this would be the same. But thr Fed would not incur any direct losses, the Treasury would bear the burden instead.

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What I am saying is that if the treasury sells bonds that are not purchased by the fed then they will need to be purchased by banks. If banks buy these bonds then they will have less money to lend to other banks, corporations, small businesses, people and the like
Banks don't lend money they have, they create new money out of thin air instead. And their reserve position doesn't matter when bank makes a decision whether to lend or not.
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