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Topic: Could Tether (USDT) be really called decentralized cryptocurrency? - page 2. (Read 834 times)

legendary
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In theory in order to create one million in tether they must have one million dollars ready to enter their vaults, but that is just the theory because as I said before there have been accusations against tether that this is not the case, however it is really sad that this being a market for decentralized cryptocurrencies has tether as the third spot in the market and ripple on the fourth as well when we know it has very strong ties with many banks, it is as if people simply do not understand or care about this and it is a shame because if this continues to be true it may come the day in which one of those coins will take the first spot on this market away from bitcoin.

Tether's marketcap grow x4 this year alone. Another x3 and Tether would be at the 2nd spot right after bitcoin.

What is more interesting than tether having no funds to back their currency, it is the US closing their eyes and ears to this. Banks don't let the exchanges use their services because they are afraid of the US government, and now the same exchanges can use USD without needing banks for any purpose. On the other hand, the US can close those exchanges or kill tether if they wanted to but for some reason they don't. Which makes it even more interesting.
This is something that I have thought for a long time and I do not know why they allow it, after all I understand why governments are not trying to go against bitcoin too strongly because if they fail, and they will, then they will look incompetent since they have no actual way to completely destroy it, but when it comes to tether and other centralized coins they can do so with ease and yet they chose not to do it which creates a very interesting dynamic and only generates more questions. Does this means governments are behind those coins or at least someone with heavy ties with them? Because otherwise I fail to see how they can allow that.
full member
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USDT is developed by a centralized company using a decentralized blockchain network so in that case, we cannot call USDT decentralized crypto anymore. Most project sugar quote statements in order to suit their narratives. You hardly see a blockchain project that won't mention the word 'Decentralized" today, even some coin such as monero that is decentralized are being traded on centralized platforms
hero member
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Even the company never claim they are decentralise and never claim USDT is a decentralised tokens. Looking into the name alon tells you all about the tokens. To be sincere not everything in this space need decentralised system and Tether is one of them, USDT has served the space well and is responsible for the growth of the space, assuming it is Decentralise the marketcap would be lower, jus look at the traction DAI is getting and compared it to other stable coins in the space
hero member
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Are you sure that paper money is not backed by gold anymore now ?
As i know, to create new paper money in my country, it should be backed with gold reserve by the government.
USD Tether is backed by real bank account, that's why the value is stable.
Which world you are living in, have you heard about the government accumulating gold before printing currency, just in the past few months US minted trillions of dollars and do you really think that they are backed by gold  Tongue. Tether is a centralized currency no matter how we sugarcoat it.
legendary
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I am not sure how much decentralized Tether is. A few weeks back, the Kucoin exchange got hacked, and cryptocurrencies including some amount of USDT were stolen. But after a few days, most of the USDT was frozen. Now this may sound like a good thing, as the thieves don't get the profits from their robbery, but it raises serious questions about the decentralization of Tether. If they can freeze wallets like that, then there is a chance that it can happen to anyone.

Only a fool will believe Tether's USDT coin to be completely decentralized. A better classification for USDT would be distributed. The underlying blockchain network (ETH) is decentralized, but that doesn't mean the stablecoin has to be the same. A smart contract platform provides developers the tools to build a token or application the way they want to. There's nothing stopping a developer from writing code that would allow him/her to gain certain control over the token or application's core functionalities. Tether's USDT stablecoin has underlying code which allows the issuer (in this case the Tether company) to blacklist ETH addresses at will. Once an address is blacklisted, the USDT balance cannot be spent anywhere on the Blockchain. This model is no different than traditional banking. Governments can easily pressure Tether to blacklist users who don't comply with KYC/AML regulations or simply because a person's transactions are suspicious. So much for a so-called "decentralized stablecoin" in the crypto/Blockchain space.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't worry too much about Tether's current situation. There are better options out there on the market. DAI is a competitor of USDT and a better option for the decentralized world. Its decentralized design allows people to be their own bank without fear of getting funds frozen or confiscated. Of course, Tether's USDT stablecoin is much more popular than DAI in the crypto/Blockchain space. Most dApps and exchanges support it (despite being centralized). But the time will come when people will look for decentralized alternatives as Tether's single points of failure are exposed. The more USDT addresses are blacklisted, the better it'll be for DAI's adoption in the mainstream world. Just my thoughts Grin
full member
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Are you sure that paper money is not backed by gold anymore now ?
As i know, to create new paper money in my country, it should be backed with gold reserve by the government.
USD Tether is backed by real bank account, that's why the value is stable.
full member
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The first sentence in the white paper of Tether (USDT) says the following. A digital token backed by fiat currency provides individuals and organizations with a
robust and decentralized method of exchanging value while using a familiar accounting unit.

Now don't get me wrong. I use USDT a lot, in fact I love it. The fixed price of $1 while being a cryptocurrency makes crypto transactions for purchasing services easy and beautiful.

But I keep thinking of how original paper money was created. In history we had gold for trading. Then gold became inconvenient so bankers offered to hold gold for paper that verifies how much gold is owed to customers. Then this paper became more convenient and was used instead of gold with the trust that its backed by gold. Then this paper a long time later became a currency that isn't backed by gold anymore.

Could the same happen with USDT. If everyone decided to claim original $$$ with their USDT, would Tether Limited issue it all making the price worthless?

Anyway the point I am trying to make is that Tether (USDT) is centralized around the Tether Limited's will to keep it going. This company is basically like a bank too.

No it is regulated and hence is not decentralized. Let's keep in mind that in order for its price to be stable, the distribution of the coin must be controlled.
We know that most decentralized cryptocurrencies are volatile and that's the reason why stable coins are made. The characteristics of tether is very different.
sr. member
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I am not sure how much decentralized Tether is. A few weeks back, the Kucoin exchange got hacked, and cryptocurrencies including some amount of USDT were stolen. But after a few days, most of the USDT was frozen. Now this may sound like a good thing, as the thieves don't get the profits from their robbery, but it raises serious questions about the decentralization of Tether. If they can freeze wallets like that, then there is a chance that it can happen to anyone.
hero member
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USDT is a stablecoin that is pegged to dollar, base on current state Usdt is centralize blockchain that blend a centralized governance structure with a decentralized network. but the basic fact is centralize..
The network just provide an infrastructure for tether to be able to use its coin but how decentralized or centralized tether actually depend on the governance that has used by the company. Remember about the decentralization will never try to put the backdoor for the company to be able to control the distribution of coins.
Tether was also able doing it to block any suspicious amounts that owned by its users.
legendary
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No cryptocurrency that can be created at will is decentralized.

If you or anybody else could "make" a bitcoin and increase total supply to 21 million and 1 it wouldn't be a decentralized cryptocurrency anymore.

Tether can be made at any moment. They need a million - poof and there it is. What kind of decentralization is that? Cheesy
In theory in order to create one million in tether they must have one million dollars ready to enter their vaults, but that is just the theory because as I said before there have been accusations against tether that this is not the case, however it is really sad that this being a market for decentralized cryptocurrencies has tether as the third spot in the market and ripple on the fourth as well when we know it has very strong ties with many banks, it is as if people simply do not understand or care about this and it is a shame because if this continues to be true it may come the day in which one of those coins will take the first spot on this market away from bitcoin.

Tether's marketcap grow x4 this year alone. Another x3 and Tether would be at the 2nd spot right after bitcoin.

What is more interesting than tether having no funds to back their currency, it is the US closing their eyes and ears to this. Banks don't let the exchanges use their services because they are afraid of the US government, and now the same exchanges can use USD without needing banks for any purpose. On the other hand, the US can close those exchanges or kill tether if they wanted to but for some reason they don't. Which makes it even more interesting.
legendary
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The first sentence in the white paper of Tether (USDT) says the following. A digital token backed by fiat currency provides individuals and organizations with a
robust and decentralized method of exchanging value while using a familiar accounting unit.

Now don't get me wrong. I use USDT a lot, in fact I love it. The fixed price of $1 while being a cryptocurrency makes crypto transactions for purchasing services easy and beautiful.

But I keep thinking of how original paper money was created. In history we had gold for trading. Then gold became inconvenient so bankers offered to hold gold for paper that verifies how much gold is owed to customers. Then this paper became more convenient and was used instead of gold with the trust that its backed by gold. Then this paper a long time later became a currency that isn't backed by gold anymore.

Could the same happen with USDT. If everyone decided to claim original $$$ with their USDT, would Tether Limited issue it all making the price worthless?

Anyway the point I am trying to make is that Tether (USDT) is centralized around the Tether Limited's will to keep it going. This company is basically like a bank too.

Tether's claims that its stablecoin is "decentralized" is just another scheme to attract people into it. Deep inside, it's all centralized as the company has the power to freeze or restrict access to your funds at will. It has been shown over time that Tether has "blacklisted" several USDT addresses on the Ethereum blockchain. This greatly defeats the purpose crypto and Blockchain technology was created for. The Tether's stablecoin is nothing more than "Central Banking 2.0".

For anyone's reference, here's a detailed list of all ETH addresses with USDT tokens that were banned by Tether: https://explore.duneanalytics.com/public/dashboards/3zhIaRUCFgmZMKqHG0pguvSvw1aOGL8gxFtZ2ujf. According to the site, there had been a total of 209 banned addresses on the ETH blockchain. This shows us how heavily centralized USDT is. But most people don't care about this, as they prefer convenience above all else. After all, Tether's stablecoin is the #1 Fiat-pegged asset on the crypto market. Despite its inherently-centralized design, the stablecoin enjoys of a large ecosystem of apps and exchanges backing it every step of the way. Ultimately, decentralized stablecoins (like DAI and bitUSD) will fulfill the purpose of crypto/Blockchain technology. They won't be able to gather massive adoption in the mainstream world (as Tether is in the spotlight right now), but they're proven alternatives for those looking into censorship resistance above all else. I wouldn't be surprised if Tether's USDT stablecoin goes down the drain in the future.

Nonetheless, many things can happen from Tether shutting down its operations to a full government crackdown. That's what you get with a centralized stablecoin which is no different than traditional Fiat (USD, EUR, etc.). As long as people continue to patronize centralized projects and exchanges, the crypto/Blockchain industry will be unable to fulfill its true purpose (which is to eliminate the middleman from the system). Time will tell us how long Tether (USDT) will last in the crypto/Blockchain space. Just my opinion Smiley
legendary
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No cryptocurrency that can be created at will is decentralized.

If you or anybody else could "make" a bitcoin and increase total supply to 21 million and 1 it wouldn't be a decentralized cryptocurrency anymore.

Tether can be made at any moment. They need a million - poof and there it is. What kind of decentralization is that? Cheesy
In theory in order to create one million in tether they must have one million dollars ready to enter their vaults, but that is just the theory because as I said before there have been accusations against tether that this is not the case, however it is really sad that this being a market for decentralized cryptocurrencies has tether as the third spot in the market and ripple on the fourth as well when we know it has very strong ties with many banks, it is as if people simply do not understand or care about this and it is a shame because if this continues to be true it may come the day in which one of those coins will take the first spot on this market away from bitcoin.
jr. member
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USDT is a stablecoin that is pegged to dollar, base on current state Usdt is centralize blockchain that blend a centralized governance structure with a decentralized network. but the basic fact is centralize..
full member
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That's that worst and can't be a decentralized cryptocurrency because of couples of things around it existence. The company that created this coin are centralized and the process of that brought this coins into the cryptocurrency space is through centralization, so, what has centralization got to do with decentralization?. For them said they are decentralized then they are liars and should not be trusted
legendary
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When there is a company behind a project, it is never decentralized, it could never be one, this is not only true for stablecoins but it is also true for regular altcoins as well that people do not see.

If there is a team behind a project, it could be a swap, it could be token, it could be defi, ieo, coin whatever it is in its core the fact it is that team makes it centralized. Everyone talks about big coins, like for example tron, that sounds like a big proper huge coin right?

I know for a fact that it is not decentralized, Justin Sun could do whatever he can do take control and do whatever he wants with it, what about XRP? The Ripple company could print 500 million more coins tomorrow if they want to, they have that right, you think that is decentralized? Aside from bitcoin and maybe few others there is no decentralized currency in crypto world.
hero member
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Absolutely not, the project you mentioned is controlled by a business, and this business definitely hides many reserves and transactions. On the other hand, it is not to pass without reminding that the company that continues the management of this project is also not reliable. For this reason, the answer to the question you asked is clearly no, and it seems unlikely that this project will continue its life independently in the coming years.
full member
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I think no. a decentralized cryptocurrency can not have a stable price. It has to be changed due to demand. But still i think usdt is needed as a stablecoin for us. Because it is sometimes hard and slow to exchange crypto to usd.
hero member
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No man sorry but, the only true decentralized stable coin I know of is DAI. All other stable coins (that I know off) can freeze your tokens if they feel like you are doing something wrong but not in DAI. I doubt USDT can ever truly become decentralized.

DAI is really one of all the stablecoins on the market that is decentralized. And I do not understand why exchanges do not promote DAI in terms of creating trading pairs for this token. This is the reason for the low liquidity and total volume of transactions of this token in relation to USDT

I think that is because DAI is pegged to USD via mediator for which ETH acts.Thereby the mechanic behind  its price stabilization is  a lot harder than it's sounds for USDT. IMO, if only DAI was backed up directly by dollar fund hold some where on bank accounts then exchanges would implement it more readily.
hero member
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No cryptocurrency that can be created at will is decentralized.

If you or anybody else could "make" a bitcoin and increase total supply to 21 million and 1 it wouldn't be a decentralized cryptocurrency anymore.

Tether can be made at any moment. They need a million - poof and there it is. What kind of decentralization is that? Cheesy

This is the reason why I really don't believe what they are trying to claim that they have all the assets according to their supply. When they admitted at one point that they didn't have the full backing of USD, where they are pegged at, I start to doubt the authenticity of their claims.

They don't have full backing and this was proven some time ago. I remember saying them admit it that in reality they have maybe 80% of the funds in circulation backed. So they are really not 100% backed and they hold cash equivalents so it's not all usd. They are lying about being 100% backed on their site to lure customers.

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In what could spark yet another round of controversy, the co-founder of the most popular stablecoin, Tether (USDT), William Quigley, said that it wouldn’t matter if the cryptocurrency weren’t actually backed by US dollars as long as everyone agreed to value USDT at one dollar.
https://cryptopotato.com/it-doesnt-matter-if-tether-usdt-is-fully-backed-by-usd-co-founder-william-quigley-says/

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So Tether does not have 100% traditional currency backing for its reserves. It has “cash equivalents,” which are presumably other cryptocurrencies (like pegging to a volatile asset is such a good way of ensuring stability). And some of its "reserves" are held in the form of loans that it has made to other parties. Tether has become an unregulated fractional reserve bank.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/francescoppola/2019/03/14/tethers-u-s-dollar-peg-is-no-longer-credible/
sr. member
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Tether is a company and they only issue USDT when there is a bond in the bank. Tether is a store of absolute value when 1USD = 1USDT, sometimes their exchange rate difference due to market transactions. Tether is issued on different blockchains, and they are still influenced by the Tether company.
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