Topic: Could there be a new financial system not dependent on USD? - page 3. (Read 946 times)

On the other hand, we can constantly talk about independence while remaining extremely dependent. It is just the master's permission, so to speak. It is just strange how it is possible to form an independent financial system without the participation of the United States, which is still pulling the strings. And the BRICS countries are also partly dependent on the U.S.

Of course this will not be impossible to happen, and this will require the approval of countries involved with the USD, such as China they are designing a new currency that will kill the USD and they certainly have very big goals in this matter, and countries like China do want to dominate the world and do not want dependence on the US country, So it will be a big problem if the new currency system is going to work, and it will have to have the approval of the community.

That news is true and BRICS countries are trying their best to reduce dependence on dollar and move up with a new currency that will be acceptable for trade in all of the countries who join BRICS team. If that becomes a reality then dollar will lose so many countries from its list which only trade using Dollar and IMF forces them to increase rates if they have taken loan from them. The dependence on dollar will be greatly reduced and the new currency will create a new era where dollar will be accepted just like other fiat currencies and will lose its status as the international currency.

The new system of payment for trades will be very helpful for Asian countries and if the influence of the new currency gets huge then in future western world will also have to reserve that new currency in order to trade with the countries that are members of the BRICS system. The new currency will drastically impact the price of dollar and the dollar will most probably lose some value in the initial stages of the BRICS. The trade deals when settled with other currencies than dollar will impact the use of it and many countries might totally give up on dollar based system.

The significance of impact would indeed depend on the size and economic strengths of the countries deciding to move away from US dollar. For example if China, Saudi Arabia, Russia and India collectively deciding to trade bilaterally using their national currencies, it can potentially affect the value of dollar as they represent top 20 economies with substantial trading volumes.

You say that like it's a bad thing. The domestic markets of India and China are not only the largest, but also have the greatest growth potential. If in the West they are talking more and more about "conscious consumption" in the context that it is necessary to stop mindless consumption, and learn to limit oneself, buy not everything in a row, but only what is really necessary, then in China and India three billion people often only the most necessary and buy. The BRICS countries have huge growth potential, while the G7 countries have almost completely exhausted their growth potential. But closer to the topic, the era of dollar dominance can be characterized by the phrase "it was forever until it ended."

The idea is interesting... BUT the problem is that it is based on the erroneous assumption that "BRICS will serve most of the food." the problem is that India and china are the biggest CONSUMER. Plus - let's not forget agro-technology (from equipment to seed and fertilizer) - globally the western countries are the leaders in this sector. The prospects of russia, as one of the largest suppliers of grain, are also vague - the situation has now changed and is not developing in favor of russia and its future with a positive outlook. There are many reasons - global degradation of the economy, degradation of the population, technological backwardness, and global sanctions and subsequent reparations are not excluded...
Brazil is a major agricultural producer on the world market, but not unique. The other BRICS countries do not have global influence on the food market.

My prediction is that there will be an eventual division of currency into the eastern and western sectors, with the bridge being cryptocurrency (whether this be a CBDC or Bitcoin/something government sponsored that is similar). BRICS will cater for most of the eat, while UM (universal money) will cater for the west, and probably Europe too. They will attain instant liquidity, incorporate social credits to heavily enforce existing/new law on people, and replace the U.S dollars reign over the globe. I don't think it will ultimately be for the better, but rather the beginning of the imminent end for fiat money. Supply will exponentially grow the moment that these currencies are 100% digital and cash is no longer a factor. I doubt that either of these currencies will have notes/bills.

I absolutely agree - the world is constantly changing. In history, entire empires have come and gone, let alone currencies...

But there is also a nuance here - the world is going into the era of high technology, and it is logical to assume that the fiat dollar will be replaced by something more "modern".And technological. But here again there is a nuance - the U.S. today are the technological leaders in most areas. And judging by all their solutions, including as a digital currency, will be most qualitatively implemented.

PS Money is not a symbol, money is a universal measure of value. It's like time - on the one hand it seems impossible to measure it with a ruler, scales or something else, but physically. It can only be counted with a stopwatch, which we have invented for ourselves as a measure of time. On the other hand, everything around us is directly or indirectly related to time, and there is no escaping it... But that's philosophy :)it... But that's philosophy

Yes it is possible for a new financial system to emerge that is not dependent on the USD. There are already efforts underway to create alternative currencies and payment systems that are not tied to any particular national currency. One example of this is the rise of crypto currencies such as Bitcoin, which operate independently of any any government or central bank. While they are still relatively new and untested, crypto currencies have the potential to offer a more decentralized and secure financial system that is not subject to the whims of any particular government or institution. While USD currently dominates the global financial system, there are many potential alternatives that could merge in the coming years.

Yes, everything has a lifespan. The dollar does not expire, but it may lose its popularity. You gave examples from previous events. As in these examples, the dollar may experience the same situation. The only question is, are there any countries that would dare to do so? What will be the reaction of the dollar in such a situation? We cannot see them without experiencing them. I doubt if we can live in the near future, but I cannot ignore the possibility that one day the dollar's dominance will end. Power has always changed hands. There are many examples in history.

You’re standing up for the dollar like it's an old pal. Sure, the dollar's been a shelter in the financial storm. But let's not live in the past, right?

"the only thing that is constant is change."

Right now, there's no rival to the dollar. But who can predict tomorrow?

We’re in an era of constant evolution, with tech being the prime player. Perhaps a new currency is about to steal the dollar’s thunder. Let's salute the dollar, but keep an eye out for the new kid on the block. Keep the doors open. And perhaps in my wildest dream people will soon all use Doge as the main currency. You know, money after all is just a symbol

We have to get back to the old days where the system of transaction is through barter. That's much better because the value of what you're going to trade or sell depends on the people and there's no standard that's being followed there, it's not organized.

While if we go on these times, we've got a system and the money is backed by gold reserve. Whether it's the CNY or the USD, we'll still be reliant on their markets and value and that's why there is no escape from it.

Also, even if it's Bitcoin, its value is also convertible to USD or any other fiat so that's why it will still depend on the people setting value of goods.

Interesting and important query and everyone can relate to it. In my view, we really don't need to change the whole system and it's not even possible at least for now, we need to debug our system and make some improvements. The prominent mistake in this system which is done by us was Dollarization considering USD as a Universal currency. I think Internation trade should be based on Gold or any other asset you can take my indication towards as BTC if somebody doesn't agree then the solution is Gold or finding a new way.

We are already getting some glimpses that now USD will not be used as a trading asset, Saudi Arabia, Russia, and some other resourceful countries are heading up to trade locally or product to product. If someone is interested to read some good stuff related to theories proposed as a solution a few keywords which I knew are;

⚫ De-dollarization.
⚫ Bitcoin Era.
⚫ Gold Era.
⚫ Batter System Revival.

I am not sure about USD but I am looking for one that is not depending on fiat at all, that would be the best version. I get it, communism didn't work, and when anyone even mentions helping out the poor and the disadvantaged, its labeled left and terrible and communist propaganda and all that, that's what you westerners think. However, maybe its time to build a system where its a bit more fair? How? Well first up, maybe we should take the power out of central banks because they help rich get richer while causing poor to become poorer, if we had set limit currency like bitcoins 21 million limit, there wouldn't be any, and they would have to pay us salary to work for them and we won't have to spend our money on them, so it would be more fair. This way, they pay us money, and if we don't spend our money on the rich, they just get bailed out by banks, that' should stop.

I completely agree with you - "nothing lasts forever under the moon"

But if we talk about the dollar as the world's reserve currency and the currency of international payments, then no matter how "bad" it is, it's the best at the moment. And the problem is that we can't see an alternative!
I am not a "fan of the U.S.", I am a pragmatist who evaluates the world by real factors. For years I have heard some countries "moaning" that the "dollar is evil" (though for some reason they can't prove it ), and that the dollar must be replaced - but they can't, again, point to its "substitute" in a reasoned way.
Whether we like it or not, at this moment, and for decades to come, there is NO alternative to the dollar!
I have said many times that the international currency (currently the dollar), MUST have a mass of indicators. But ... the problem is that even such a strong and secure currency as the EURO, does not have in the right quantity and quality, all the necessary indicators to replace the dollar globally !  Any other currency will lead to a wild fragmentation of the world market, complication of mutual settlements, and a real loss of a single measure of value.
If you really know of a currency that has all the necessary qualities to replace the dollar - let's discuss ?

With this race to be crowned the alright super power,  I think the other big nations have realized that they can not be benchmarked by a country they find not to be an ally in any way and with the only possible solution of having a parallel financial system with the coming of BRICS and this is here to stay as it gives them several benefits unlike being a USD supported financial system.

To express my personal opinion, it is possible to create an economy without the reserve currency right now (USD) but it takes a lot of effort and time to create and strengthen this economy. The reason for this is that although the economy seems to be suitable for rapid change today, it takes time to adapt to such a serious change. Although some countries economies have managed to create a system within themselves without using USD, the fact that this system is not actively used all over the world and that it is not a practical method supports my opinion. However, as I mentioned it is possible to create an economy that is not dependent on the USD with some time and a lot of effort. Of course, since the creation of such an economy will not be to the advantage of America and other major countries it will confront the new economy that will be created as a major obstacle on this path.

There is no chance that will ever happen with the BRICS. These countries could never adopt new dominated currency because U.S. dollar still surpasses all of the currencies out there. Every system is locked on the US dollar prices every trade in the world happens with the exchange rate of dollar. They have such great dominance that most of the countries universal currency is dollar in similar way universal language is English. I am definitely sure that BRICS will fail to adopt new system. It could crumble their economy. This could also lead to lowered transaction in dollar reserves and thus threatening the economic cycles within these countries.

agree with you, all of us here grew up in an era where the USD dominated the market and it would be difficult to remove it from international trade, because people's trust in the USD was quite high. but even so, nothing is strong forever, and that includes the USD. USD weakening can be done by Yuan, Ruble, and several other currencies. these countries could have left the dollar and switched to other currencies that are more profitable for them.

but even if weakened, the USD will still be the choice for people for international transactions. it will still be a solution for people because indeed the average person in the world is used to using USD in their international transactions and it is quite difficult to change this habit.

The BRICS countries only want to create their own currency, but this is still very far away. So far, there is not even information what kind of currency it will be - a completely new one or any country that is part of this union. One of the possible options is that it will be the Chinese yuan. But this will mean that all other countries, instead of dependence on the United States, will fall under the dependence of China.
Of course, the dominance of the dollar is not forever. But so far there is no serious alternative to the dollar. In any case, this is not a question of the near future.