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anu
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 09:36:03 AM
#12
My understanding of the ethics of Silkroad is a libertarian one: There is no such thing as a victimless crime. No one is victimized when dealing with drugs. But spreading fake money is a kind of fraud.

No one is victimized you say? How about children that have a (hypothetical) direct access to hard drugs?

In my personal opinion, selling drugs like that is much worse than selling counterfeit money!

As you say, it's hypothetical. Kids who are on the needle are not likely to have the knowledge required to buy on Silkroad. No one denies that children should not be considered fully responsible for themselves and that there should be controls, however.

It is the war on drugs itself that causes the misery. The government is to blame. If dealing with drugs were legal but regulated, it'd be much easier to enforce access control, because it would kill off the mafia because adults would buy the legal stuff while drug stores would lose their license and get punished when selling to kids.

It's the same with the repression of sex in the US. Nowhere in the western world are so many child pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases as in the US. Sometimes I think the US govt fully knows that and the results are actually desired.


hero member
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January 14, 2012, 09:22:42 AM
#11
My understanding of the ethics of Silkroad is a libertarian one: There is no such thing as a victimless crime. No one is victimized when dealing with drugs. But spreading fake money is a kind of fraud.

No one is victimized you say? How about children that have a (hypothetical) direct access to hard drugs?

In my personal opinion, selling drugs like that is much worse than selling counterfeit money!

Can't agree with you there. Children can harm themselves in countless ingenious ways. How about prohibiting glass? And families with infants shall be prohibited from living higher than the first floor...

Also, cars can be used to harm others too, no? Sorry for the banal example.

Counterfeit money is an ugly thing, not only because it can be harmful (anything can be), but also by nature it awards swindlers and punishes trustful people. Even guns are more neutral than that.
anu
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 08:57:05 AM
#10
Just out of curiosity, why is the sale of counterfeit money prohibited on Silk Road? Does anyone know?

My understanding of the ethics of Silkroad is a libertarian one: There is no such thing as a victimless crime. No one is victimized when dealing with drugs. But spreading fake money is a kind of fraud.
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January 14, 2012, 08:47:01 AM
#9
Just out of curiosity, why is the sale of counterfeit money prohibited on Silk Road? Does anyone know?

if admin decide there, then it is question for admin, if community decide there (in some internet democracy), then it is question for community.
I am not there because I don't like that people must pay to become seller and I don't like that someone control me, it is the same with blackmarket. fee is okay after people make business, but to pay before you sold something, that's stupid.

I still don't get it, why is it moral to sell drugs and it's 'immoral' (or more dangerously) to sell counterfeit money?

that's control which I dislike, you can make your own website to sell what you want and advertise your website.

May sound silly, but it's actually hard to foresee the exact effect of spreading counterfeit money around!

cops hunt counterfeit money more than any drugs. logically, such money sabotage economy of the state while drugs damage individuals. therefore people who sell such money are caught very fast, even political police can be included in hunting.
but I am not against any business if the both sides accepted to do it, if there is no cheating. so, if silkroad is only for drugs, you should make "silkroad for all types of business".
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 07:42:56 AM
#8
If it is discovered as counterfeit, whoever has it loses.  They're like hot potatoes unless they are indistinguishable from the legit stuff.

You would be shocked to see some counterfeit coins, indistinguishable from the original Wink As a matter of fact, you probably used a few without knowing it!

Well if that's the case, sell it as legit currency.  Besides, your clients may have to explain where it came from, and if it says "hey this is fake" then they will get thrown in jail since they knew it was fake.
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 07:35:58 AM
#7
Drugs only hurt the purchaser, counterfeit money hurts others.
How exactly? May sound silly, but it's actually hard to foresee the exact effect of spreading counterfeit money around!

If it is discovered as counterfeit, whoever has it loses.  They're like hot potatoes unless they are indistinguishable from the legit stuff.
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 07:28:04 AM
#6
I still don't get it, why is it moral to sell drugs and it's 'immoral' (or more dangerously) to sell counterfeit money?

Drugs only hurt the purchaser, counterfeit money hurts others.

When used properly, guns hurt others, not the purchaser...

When used properly, guns hurt animals, not the purchaser...

I've used many guns in my life and I've never hurt another human with one.
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 07:26:30 AM
#5
I still don't get it, why is it moral to sell drugs and it's 'immoral' (or more dangerously) to sell counterfeit money?

Drugs only hurt the purchaser, counterfeit money hurts others.

When used properly, guns hurt others, not the purchaser...
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 07:17:19 AM
#4
I still don't get it, why is it moral to sell drugs and it's 'immoral' (or more dangerously) to sell counterfeit money?

Drugs only hurt the purchaser, counterfeit money hurts others.
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 07:02:58 AM
#3
They don't want to get bitcoin traders involved in an infinite money loop?  Traders have a hard enough time with scammers, we don't need counterfeit currency floating around the community too
What do you mean when you say an infinite money loop? How selling/buying counterfeit physical currency will create an infinite money loop?

On a different note, wouldn't it be a great way to destabilize a bit the fiat currencies and turn the attention of the masses to Bitcoin? I know it's sounds a bit evil, but the fascinating thing about Bitcoin is that it's absolutely possible! Smiley

Ok, not infinite, since supply is limited.  But still, people would buy it with BTC then send it to BTC for cash services.  We don't need to actively tear down fiat currencies, just step to the side as they fall under their own weight.
legendary
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January 14, 2012, 06:56:31 AM
#2
Just out of curiosity, why is the sale of counterfeit money prohibited on Silk Road? Does anyone know?

They don't want to get bitcoin traders involved in an infinite money loop?  Traders have a hard enough time with scammers, we don't need counterfeit currency floating around the community too.

newbie
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January 14, 2012, 06:53:28 AM
#1
Just out of curiosity, why is the sale of counterfeit money prohibited on Silk Road? Does anyone know?
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