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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on December 10, 2023, 04:14:36 PM

Could it be side effects from having gotten Covid or the Covid vaccine? I had gotten the virus 3 times even though I did get the vaccine and booster and now two-three years later I have vascular problems. I had it in my family tree but I did not suffer from it before. I think the virus turned on the genetic switch. Maybe that is what is going on in China.

Nobody's sure about the covid vaccination side effects though but one thing is for sure is that inheritance of any illnesses could come out anytime especially when you are getting older.
I have never heard about someone complaining about their health declining after they took the vaccination not even the old ones talking about those who are at the age of 60s to 80s.

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1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ? Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?
2. Can anyone from China confirm or deny this news ?

Recently I also got a glimpse of the news on local state television that there is a possibility of Covid lev2 but I am quite skeptical about the Covid agenda coming in a political year. As is the case in my country, next year is the year the head of state changes. Why is this related regardless of whether Covid is true or not after learning from 2019 that was also the year when politics used Covid as an agenda for politicians to distort facts, seek votes of support increase hospital business again etc. So it is not surprising that now people are starting to ask questions and are reluctant to believe in Covid lev2. No matter whether China is the point of spread or threat it all proves that there is always a hidden agenda in the interests of certain groups to achieve their goals.

I would paraphrase a little - there are some individuals who use critical situations to achieve their own selfish goals. And such people do not have the right to gain access to power or significant positions. Moreover, for such people it makes no difference what happens - a pandemic, war, natural disaster. But this is a consequence of the main problem. In this case, the “strict moderation of information” in the Chinese media is a little alarming, based on previous experience.

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on December 10, 2023, 04:14:36 PM

Could it be side effects from having gotten Covid or the Covid vaccine? I had gotten the virus 3 times even though I did get the vaccine and booster and now two-three years later I have vascular problems. I had it in my family tree but I did not suffer from it before. I think the virus turned on the genetic switch. Maybe that is what is going on in China.

That covid vaccine get as it works, what I don't know is the age limit or range at which it's best useful at, then it has to be on certain conditions as well that someone would have gotten to the conclusion that they needed to take a covid vaccine, but people were less concerned wether it works or not, maybe it's best for young, adults or old ones, all we do is that everyone got enrolled for the vaccination.

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Quote from: DrBeer on December 06, 2023, 03:25:39 PM

1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ? Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?

I don't think it is another pandemic because the officials of China are saying they did not detect any unusual pathogens inside these kids, and if it would be some new pandemic then why it is following age discrimination means why it is choosing only kids, I think I agree with there only theory that when winter comes a wave of viruses like pneumonia comes and these kids have lower immune system due to the quarantine time during Covid-19,

If these children have weak immune and that's the only reason they are becoming sick then I don't think it a difficult task to help these children recover their immune to a stronger one. I hope they will get well soon and they already have seen a lot like Covid-19, Quarantine, etc. I hope these kids won't face another pandemic in their whole life. And To be honest, I think its too early for a pandemic to come, I was thinking a few days back that if Covid was artificially to do some business then those who are behind it must have done a hell lot of business so I don't think there would be any other artificial pandemic any soon, as there is no need to do business again, they would have made hell lot of money. At least I hope so, and now I am reading this news, Allah saves us.

I will say one thing - I would not take into account the statements of Chinese officials as information for a real assessment of the situation. Remember about Covid, this is quite enough to no longer trust “official information”. Or a softer formulation - Chinese official statements, I would consider as a last resort.

Quote from: romero121 on December 07, 2023, 06:35:50 PM

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Media wants news and if everything is peaceful there won't be anything much to broadcast. Understanding this media tries to create regular news out of a same topic. This is where things gets exaggerated. However this time it isn't very big and the information regarding the epidemic hadn't spread widely same as that of the COVID. Things were under control and everytime it is China to have these problems addressed initially.

It seems to me that in the modern world there are SO many reasons for information of any type that it would be wrong to talk about a lack.
The problem is slightly different - the information isolation of the problem is on China's side. The Covid pandemic began in a similar way. At first, there was little news about the outbreak of the disease, then an inactive continuation, and then... just an EXPLOSION of information when the virus broke out of China and people began to talk about it in countries where politics does not limit the media.
I will accept with great joy the news that this is really a seasonal outbreak... but in the situation with limited information in China, I somehow feel a little uneasy... This is why the opinions and information from Chinese residents are interesting

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We get news about the walking pneumonia among asian countries, some super disease that is apparently being concocted and spread across China, and quite lately the icebergs in Antarctica bearing marks of prehistoric Virus/Bacteria that could spread diseases long gone from our Immune system's catalog. We're going to be in a bad time right now frankly speaking. And since we're not seeing any form of response on our government's part it would seem to me as if we're just outright fucked at this point.

For the meantime, I guess let's just enjoy these moments we have while we can still go outside, and hopefully prepare for any impending disease, so we don't get another COVID-19 situation.

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1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ? Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?
2. Can anyone from China confirm or deny this news ?

It's pretty normal to have high levels of flu around the people during the fall and winter. There will be a flu epidemic in my country in the next few weeks. This type of flu is targeting mostly children, so the adults might be OK.
I'm not buying this "undiagnosed respiratory decease" thing. China has lots of well educated and well prepared scientists and doctors.
I don't believe that they can't diagnose the flu virus and they can't analyze it.
It's way too early to decide how this epidemic will go. I don't think that this will turn into another pandemic, so there's no need to spread fear and panic.

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Quote from: DrBeer on December 06, 2023, 03:25:39 PM

1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ? Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?
2. Can anyone from China confirm or deny this news ?

I don't think a new global pandemic like COVID-19 awaits us. We have seen that the combination of the arrival of winter has increased the number of respiratory illnesses among children. This is not unexpected, as respiratory diseases peak during the winter months However, it is still important for authorities to monitor the situation closely and ensure that appropriate measures are taken to protect children from illness. This includes continuing to promote good hygiene practices, encouraging mask wearing and ensuring access to healthcare for those who need it. Additionally, it is important for parents to be vigilant and seek medical advice if their children develop any symptoms of respiratory illness. Overall, while the recent increase in respiratory illnesses among children in China is alarming, it is not necessarily a cause for alarm as long as proper measures are taken to address it.

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Quote from: DrBeer on December 06, 2023, 03:25:39 PM

Two issues:

1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ? Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?

well yes , the world is still suffering from the damage brought by COVID 19 in which so many people died, many jobs losses , many are still struggling in life and here we are again facing another worldwide problem?

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2. Can anyone from China confirm or deny this news ?

what made me think is "WHY ALWAYS CHINA" what is in their country that they kept being the mother of illnesses ?
but if this is true then the world now must act earlier than what had happened in covid19 that the action is already late as the virus has already spread around the world .

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on December 10, 2023, 04:14:36 PM

Could it be side effects from having gotten Covid or the Covid vaccine? I had gotten the virus 3 times even though I did get the vaccine and booster and now two-three years later I have vascular problems. I had it in my family tree but I did not suffer from it before. I think the virus turned on the genetic switch. Maybe that is what is going on in China.

There are still some things about Covid that are unclear. Maybe it's a side effect of Covid, as you say. I guess we will never know the answer. Those who warned everyone to get vaccinated disappeared after the dangers of these vaccines were revealed.

I don't know if the world is ready for a new pandemic. After Covid, many people will avoid vaccines and I don't know if this is the right or wrong behavior.

Maybe the situation is, as you say, revealing a disease in your genetics. I hope people can find answers to these questions in their minds.

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Could it be side effects from having gotten Covid or the Covid vaccine? I had gotten the virus 3 times even though I did get the vaccine and booster and now two-three years later I have vascular problems. I had it in my family tree but I did not suffer from it before. I think the virus turned on the genetic switch. Maybe that is what is going on in China.

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Quote from: Husires on December 07, 2023, 03:51:20 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on December 06, 2023, 03:25:39 PM

1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ? Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?
2. Can anyone from China confirm or deny this news ?

After the rapid disappearance of covid-19 pandemic and the economic and social problems witnessed by the quarantine, I find it difficult for countries to take the same measures of lockdown and working from home, especially since I know some friends who believe in the conspiracy theory and that they did not receive vaccines and yet were not infected with the pandemic. It will be convincing these people will be more difficult.

News coming from China needs to be reviewed by independent sources because some media outlets either try to downplay its importance or there is a false exaggeration of the statement that China is a failed state.

I think no, it didn't disappeared rapidly. The fatality rate, and the huge number or affected people are a proof to it. If there is quick here, that will only be the movement of the virus from country to country or from person to person. Despite of the safey measures that are being done later on, the virus is still too strong to penetrate and continues to scare everyone. But, we are glad that it was over.

The only problem though is here, (the new virus) and this slowly builds a fear to all of us again. But we shouldn't worry because we already have a good experience before. We already fought a good fight with one of the strongest and deadliest viruses. So are we going to give up now? I guess not.

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Quote from: DrBeer on December 06, 2023, 03:25:39 PM

Two issues:

1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ? Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?
2. Can anyone from China confirm or deny this news ?

I don't think it's likely that world is going to be crippled again by another pandemic any time soon. First of all, the countries are ready as all the governments still have their covid pandemic plans ready to be reactivated. Secondly, the people are ready as well, everybody still has makes and sanitizers at home from the last pandemic. We all know the drills about social distancing, not shaking hands and washing our hands regularly. And thirdly, the pharma industry is ready for the next pandemic. There was a huge race to find the first vaccination and people saw how profitable it's going to be. I am sure any new pandemic would be focused on even harder in the future by the big pharma companies. The world has changed a lot since 2019 and I don't think the impact from another pandemic would have the same strong impact like covid. There isn't much to do for us to prepare, maybe stock up on food and toilet paper, save some more money and maybe buy into the big pharma companies before they announce the next vaccination round.

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I can’t say anything about China or the new, as the OP writes, COVID, but in my country, there is a respiratory disease that the Ministry of Health can’t determine whether it’s the flu or a viral respiratory disease. The disease begins with a high fever and mainly affects children. Hospitals are also full. Treatment consists of antiviral drugs and vitamins—nothing new.
But to say that this could be some new and terrible virus would be incorrect; most likely, this is an old type of flu that was previously transmitted by adults, and they have immunity to it, which cannot be said about children.

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Quote from: DrBeer on December 06, 2023, 03:25:39 PM

1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ? Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?
2. Can anyone from China confirm or deny this news ?

Recently I also got a glimpse of the news on local state television that there is a possibility of Covid lev2 but I am quite skeptical about the Covid agenda coming in a political year. As is the case in my country, next year is the year the head of state changes. Why is this related regardless of whether Covid is true or not after learning from 2019 that was also the year when politics used Covid as an agenda for politicians to distort facts, seek votes of support increase hospital business again etc. So it is not surprising that now people are starting to ask questions and are reluctant to believe in Covid lev2. No matter whether China is the point of spread or threat it all proves that there is always a hidden agenda in the interests of certain groups to achieve their goals.

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So far, things are unclear and there is no confirmation or denial from China, but I personally do not rule out the spread of a new epidemic in the world, especially since the side effects of the previous Covid vaccine are not precisely known yet.

Here in my country, people are circulating news of the spread of a strange type of influenza at the beginning of the winter season that seems to be more severe than usual, but there is no official confirmation or denial from government medical authorities.

No one wants to spread panic or go back to quarantine, as happened with the Covid virus. Humanity has suffered greatly from this epidemic, and I hope that there will not be a new epidemic.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on December 08, 2023, 12:29:46 AM

Honestly speaking, if I analyze the current COVID pandemic, it is done to really reduce the number of living people around the world. The population is actually too large. Now, in order to reduce people, they used COVID-19, and it seems that whoever thought of it succeeded.

Why did I say, here in our country, how many people have COVID-19? But I never once heard of anyone in our country who died as a beggar because of COVID when they were just living on the streets. So, it means that the COVID-19 disease that they say is just made up by people to make money and abused by government officials as well; that's what happened here to us. Then, there it is again. I think humanity is awake and aware of the truth.

May be this is true because I have saw people in hospital who did not show any symptoms of covid but still they died in a hospital and the faculty show that the person died due to Corona pandemic. We are not saying that Corona was lie but some people loss their lives due to irresponsible faculty of hospital.

The reason of Corona was a virus so I also never saw an individuals working in street or selling vegetables and fruits are not effected by Corona virus although they are more exposed to polluted environment. I don't know what is the reason and aim of the people who spread the news about corona but it kills alot of individuals over the world.

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Quote from: icalical on December 07, 2023, 11:06:31 PM

Unfortunately this Pneumonia outbreak has spread to several countries in Asia, and the worse news is that Covid Case in Singapore is spiking again last week, with currently bad geopolitic condition in the west & middle east, if we got another pandemic even in smaller scale than the last Covid, the global economy will be much worse than 2020 and I strongly believe that it will be much much harder to recover from that.

Covid in Singapore should be preventable because they often use masks for activities outside the home, but this country is also famous for its hard workers, meaning they lack time to rest so that their immune system starts to weaken, which ultimately makes it easier for the virus to enter the body without realizing it. They were exposed to COVID again, and strangely, I'm sure many have been vaccinated to prevent COVID transmission again, but why this could happen again, I don't know for sure.

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Quote from: passwordnow on December 07, 2023, 04:35:57 PM

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There are other concerns that should be done especially in poor countries where diseases are rampant like cholera, and other epidemic that's unlikely to stop.

All parties must work together, but can some parties be trusted?
Covid which was originally a Pandemic is now transitioning into an Epidemic and this virus will still exist.

Some other epidemics such as Cholera must also be watched out for its spread, it could be an epidemic that cannot be stopped.
But when everyone has got the vaccine, it's the first protection.

That's true, COVID-19 is going to live with us forever but just not as strong as it was before. And just like those diseases that are in epidemics in some parts of the world, they're fatal as well but the WHO seems to disregard those and don't focus monitoring on them. But sadly, those that affected by those diseases and people who are living with them seem to be immune to what's with them.

And like what we're living right now together with covid-19 virus. These viruses will just flow in the air, the airborne diseases and waiting to contain another host. These days are unhealthy. We're just done with the other and there goes the others that will live with us forever. Scaring but we need to deal with the reality and we need to strengthen not just our body, minds, souls but also our pockets.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on December 08, 2023, 12:29:46 AM

Honestly speaking, if I analyze the current COVID pandemic, it is done to really reduce the number of living people around the world. The population is actually too large. Now, in order to reduce people, they used COVID-19, and it seems that whoever thought of it succeeded.

Why did I say, here in our country, how many people have COVID-19? But I never once heard of anyone in our country who died as a beggar because of COVID when they were just living on the streets. So, it means that the COVID-19 disease that they say is just made up by people to make money and abused by government officials as well; that's what happened here to us. Then, there it is again. I think humanity is awake and aware of the truth.

Thoughts like that are possible, but unfortunately we can't do anything about it, considering that in my area those who die from Covid definitely die in hospital. I don't know what the real conspiracy is, but that's the reality, whereas every time someone is taken to the hospital, almost all of them are declared Covid, there are many stories that in the isolation room they are not cured but are stressed because of the isolation situation.

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Honestly speaking, if I analyze the current COVID pandemic, it is done to really reduce the number of living people around the world. The population is actually too large. Now, in order to reduce people, they used COVID-19, and it seems that whoever thought of it succeeded.

Why did I say, here in our country, how many people have COVID-19? But I never once heard of anyone in our country who died as a beggar because of COVID when they were just living on the streets. So, it means that the COVID-19 disease that they say is just made up by people to make money and abused by government officials as well; that's what happened here to us. Then, there it is again. I think humanity is awake and aware of the truth.

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