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legendary
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April 25, 2021, 04:13:01 PM
#41
Base on theory aspect of it, any vaccine introduce is supposed to be admitted to animal or use  to test animal in order to know the enzymes and biochemical aspect of it before consumption, and the practical have to start with animals before using it to humans to avoid massive death occurrence in the society and nation entirely.

Indeed. It is like what lesser evil you want to choose from, if you consider the life of animal's in the testing grounds.

Will you choose to have human to be tested first, or animals?


Testing is meaningless when you are testing on things that you don't know. Let's actually separate one of the viruses out of the mess from the swab, so that we can really look at what it is. This hasn't been done, yet, even though franky1 constantly rampages that it has been done all over the place. Here's a guy who is putting his money where his mouth is. franky1 would never do that.


Millionaire offers $1.2 M reward to anyone providing an isolated sample of the COVID-19 virus



Many investigations and reports have been generated around the world concerning the disastrous COVID-19 or CCP (Chinese Communist Party) Virus; however, for some people and institutions, it has not been satisfactorily proven that it is the one that generates the deaths attributed to it.

After several initiatives that offered rewards to whoever managed to isolate the virus from someone supposedly contaminated with it, the group led by evangelist pastor and journalist Samuel Eckert breaks the record by offering the equivalent of $1.2 million on its website. 

"1million € for scientific proof of the existence of a coronavirus, including documented control attempts of all steps taken in the proof," the page announces.

It should be noted that it is not the existence of the virus in doubt, but instead that it is the cause of death of those infected with it. 

The website adds: "The currently offered 1 million EUR will be completely covered by Team Samuel Eckert. Thank you very much for your commitment! Get in touch."

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German journalist Samuel Eckert is offering a reward of 1 million dollars for those who provide irrefutable proof of the existence of Covid-19. By proof, he means the isolation of the virus according to Koch's postulates. To date, no one has been able to win Eckert's challenge.

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April 25, 2021, 06:46:47 AM
#40
Base on theory aspect of it, any vaccine introduce is supposed to be admitted to animal or use  to test animal in order to know the enzymes and biochemical aspect of it before consumption, and the practical have to start with animals before using it to humans to avoid massive death occurrence in the society and nation entirely.

Indeed. It is like what lesser evil you want to choose from, if you consider the life of animal's in the testing grounds.

Will you choose to have human to be tested first, or animals?
legendary
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April 23, 2021, 06:31:02 PM
#39
This is a very large humanity of you to feel all this bitterness and pain towards the experiments that scientists are carrying out on animals. Yes, mercy on animals is required, but what is the solution? Are you suggesting that we do these painful experiments on humans? This cannot be allowed by anyone. If you felt so much pain towards animals, how would you feel if scientists conducted similar experiments on humans?
Of course I understand your feelings and I have full appreciation and admiration for this great human feeling, but what can be done? There is a sacrifice that someone has to make and this one cannot be a human but rather an animal.
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April 23, 2021, 05:17:28 PM
#38
Base on theory aspect of it, any vaccine introduce is supposed to be admitted to animal or use  to test animal in order to know the enzymes and biochemical aspect of it before consumption, and the practical have to start with animals before using it to humans to avoid massive death occurrence in the society and nation entirely.
legendary
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April 23, 2021, 02:49:33 PM
#37

At the same time, did you ever notice how many animals died from safety testing of various vaccines, but people - at worst - only got autism? There's a difference... like the difference that human thinking is way above that of any "other" animal.

Humans might seem to act like animals in some of the ways that they behave at times. But they have loads of debate-filled thoughts within themselves about what they are doing, even in bad behavior. If this is instinct, it's instinct of an astounding, untrackable degree. Are humans animals?


I guess the right question is, do you consider yourself an animal?

After answering that, then you have your very own answer to your own philosophical question.

What does a person's consideration have to do with truth? Many people consider all kinds of things in life, and then do things that don't work, because they found the wrong answer in their considerations.

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Then why did you even consider answering these questions? why do you even consider having an argument about this? what will your considerations do with the truth.

My reasons for what I do and say are mine. But the basic idea is to find truth. Often truth comes easy. Often we have to go through all kinds of experiences to find truth.

This is a forum. Even if something that I think is the truth, really isn't the truth, we have people like you to point it out... if you know and tell the truth.

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April 23, 2021, 01:27:12 PM
#36

At the same time, did you ever notice how many animals died from safety testing of various vaccines, but people - at worst - only got autism? There's a difference... like the difference that human thinking is way above that of any "other" animal.

Humans might seem to act like animals in some of the ways that they behave at times. But they have loads of debate-filled thoughts within themselves about what they are doing, even in bad behavior. If this is instinct, it's instinct of an astounding, untrackable degree. Are humans animals?


I guess the right question is, do you consider yourself an animal?

After answering that, then you have your very own answer to your own philosophical question.

What does a person's consideration have to do with truth? Many people consider all kinds of things in life, and then do things that don't work, because they found the wrong answer in their considerations.

Cool

Then why did you even consider answering these questions? why do you even consider having an argument about this? what will your considerations do with the truth.
legendary
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April 22, 2021, 01:06:46 PM
#35

At the same time, did you ever notice how many animals died from safety testing of various vaccines, but people - at worst - only got autism? There's a difference... like the difference that human thinking is way above that of any "other" animal.

Humans might seem to act like animals in some of the ways that they behave at times. But they have loads of debate-filled thoughts within themselves about what they are doing, even in bad behavior. If this is instinct, it's instinct of an astounding, untrackable degree. Are humans animals?


I guess the right question is, do you consider yourself an animal?

After answering that, then you have your very own answer to your own philosophical question.

What does a person's consideration have to do with truth? Many people consider all kinds of things in life, and then do things that don't work, because they found the wrong answer in their considerations.

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April 22, 2021, 09:54:33 AM
#34
Thank you to everyone for your input.
legendary
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March 27, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
#33
Did anybody ever notice that people are called animals? They might be called the human animal. So, we are getting the animal testing right now with the Covid vaccines being tested on human animals.

It is not uncommon for different people to draw distinctions within a species, and sometimes they even convince themselves that the classic scientific definition of 'species' (e.g., being able to mate and produce viable offspring) should be abandoned when it comes to H. Sapian for spiritual reasons among others.  While Judaism in particular is prone to these sorts of ethnic supremacist classification systems and it is well represented in the teachings of certain sects of Judaism, all the way up to considering Jews to be a different species than non-Jews, it is not alone.

Probably the biggest 'threat' to Joe Sixpack is a non-denominational general idea that the single species can/should be subdivided into a predator and prey categories.  Naturally those who entertain this notion consider themselves to be or the predator class typically, and they use this idea as a crutch to justify exploiting others.  Bankers, 'captains of industry', politicians, etc, are prone to understand 'the human animal' from this perspective.

I'd certainly not roll up my sleeve to be injected by people of either of the above reprehensible philosophies, and both are highly represented as the drivers behind the 'covid-19' scamdemic and the gene therapy injections which are to fall out of it.  And drivers behind frequent injection of the pleb/goyim classes more generally before that.  Both types of supremacists are unlikely to have any compunction about 'animal testing' on the appropriate population of humans.


At the same time, did you ever notice how many animals died from safety testing of various vaccines, but people - at worst - only got autism? There's a difference... like the difference that human thinking is way above that of any "other" animal.

Humans might seem to act like animals in some of the ways that they behave at times. But they have loads of debate-filled thoughts within themselves about what they are doing, even in bad behavior. If this is instinct, it's instinct of an astounding, untrackable degree. Are humans animals?


I guess the right question is, do you consider yourself an animal?

After answering that, then you have your very own answer to your own philosophical question.

If you consider yourself an animal, you have the wrong answer.     Cool
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March 27, 2021, 11:32:51 AM
#32
Did anybody ever notice that people are called animals? They might be called the human animal. So, we are getting the animal testing right now with the Covid vaccines being tested on human animals.

It is not uncommon for different people to draw distinctions within a species, and sometimes they even convince themselves that the classic scientific definition of 'species' (e.g., being able to mate and produce viable offspring) should be abandoned when it comes to H. Sapian for spiritual reasons among others.  While Judaism in particular is prone to these sorts of ethnic supremacist classification systems and it is well represented in the teachings of certain sects of Judaism, all the way up to considering Jews to be a different species than non-Jews, it is not alone.

Probably the biggest 'threat' to Joe Sixpack is a non-denominational general idea that the single species can/should be subdivided into a predator and prey categories.  Naturally those who entertain this notion consider themselves to be or the predator class typically, and they use this idea as a crutch to justify exploiting others.  Bankers, 'captains of industry', politicians, etc, are prone to understand 'the human animal' from this perspective.

I'd certainly not roll up my sleeve to be injected by people of either of the above reprehensible philosophies, and both are highly represented as the drivers behind the 'covid-19' scamdemic and the gene therapy injections which are to fall out of it.  And drivers behind frequent injection of the pleb/goyim classes more generally before that.  Both types of supremacists are unlikely to have any compunction about 'animal testing' on the appropriate population of humans.


At the same time, did you ever notice how many animals died from safety testing of various vaccines, but people - at worst - only got autism? There's a difference... like the difference that human thinking is way above that of any "other" animal.

Humans might seem to act like animals in some of the ways that they behave at times. But they have loads of debate-filled thoughts within themselves about what they are doing, even in bad behavior. If this is instinct, it's instinct of an astounding, untrackable degree. Are humans animals?


I guess the right question is, do you consider yourself an animal?

After answering that, then you have your very own answer to your own philosophical question.
legendary
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March 27, 2021, 06:13:46 AM
#31
Did anybody ever notice that people are called animals? They might be called the human animal. So, we are getting the animal testing right now with the Covid vaccines being tested on human animals.

It is not uncommon for different people to draw distinctions within a species, and sometimes they even convince themselves that the classic scientific definition of 'species' (e.g., being able to mate and produce viable offspring) should be abandoned when it comes to H. Sapian for spiritual reasons among others.  While Judaism in particular is prone to these sorts of ethnic supremacist classification systems and it is well represented in the teachings of certain sects of Judaism, all the way up to considering Jews to be a different species than non-Jews, it is not alone.

Probably the biggest 'threat' to Joe Sixpack is a non-denominational general idea that the single species can/should be subdivided into a predator and prey categories.  Naturally those who entertain this notion consider themselves to be or the predator class typically, and they use this idea as a crutch to justify exploiting others.  Bankers, 'captains of industry', politicians, etc, are prone to understand 'the human animal' from this perspective.

I'd certainly not roll up my sleeve to be injected by people of either of the above reprehensible philosophies, and both are highly represented as the drivers behind the 'covid-19' scamdemic and the gene therapy injections which are to fall out of it.  And drivers behind frequent injection of the pleb/goyim classes more generally before that.  Both types of supremacists are unlikely to have any compunction about 'animal testing' on the appropriate population of humans.


At the same time, did you ever notice how many animals died from safety testing of various vaccines, but people - at worst - only got autism? There's a difference... like the difference that human thinking is way above that of any "other" animal.

Humans might seem to act like animals in some of the ways that they behave at times. But they have loads of debate-filled thoughts within themselves about what they are doing, even in bad behavior. If this is instinct, it's instinct of an astounding, untrackable degree. Are humans animals?

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legendary
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March 27, 2021, 06:00:01 AM
#30
Did anybody ever notice that people are called animals? They might be called the human animal. So, we are getting the animal testing right now with the Covid vaccines being tested on human animals.

It is not uncommon for different people to draw distinctions within a species, and sometimes they even convince themselves that the classic scientific definition of 'species' (e.g., being able to mate and produce viable offspring) should be abandoned when it comes to H. Sapian for spiritual reasons among others.  While Judaism in particular is prone to these sorts of ethnic supremacist classification systems and it is well represented in the teachings of certain sects of Judaism, all the way up to considering Jews to be a different species than non-Jews, it is not alone.

Probably the biggest 'threat' to Joe Sixpack is a non-denominational general idea that the single species can/should be subdivided into a predator and prey categories.  Naturally those who entertain this notion consider themselves to be or the predator class typically, and they use this idea as a crutch to justify exploiting others.  Bankers, 'captains of industry', politicians, etc, are prone to understand 'the human animal' from this perspective.

I'd certainly not roll up my sleeve to be injected by people of either of the above reprehensible philosophies, and both are highly represented as the drivers behind the 'covid-19' scamdemic and the gene therapy injections which are to fall out of it.  And drivers behind frequent injection of the pleb/goyim classes more generally before that.  Both types of supremacists are unlikely to have any compunction about 'animal testing' on the appropriate population of humans.

legendary
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March 26, 2021, 12:20:18 PM
#29
Did anybody ever notice that people are called animals? They might be called the human animal. So, we are getting the animal testing right now with the Covid vaccines being tested on human animals.

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March 26, 2021, 11:59:38 AM
#28
The whole testing thing is a sham anyway. They aren't using the real covid virus for the testing, and they are only checking for antibody creation and immediate side effects.

Wouldn't it be great if they used natural immunity as a comparison in some of the tests?
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March 26, 2021, 11:49:32 AM
#27
I pity those innocent animals who are being used for vaccine or other drug testing, they can't even speak for themselves, even though sometimes they rights are being violated, how can they test something without using animals?  I hope there would be another way of testing without harming them.

Harming them is never the goal or objective of researches so we can just pity them if they get harmed in the process. But it is better than it being a human.
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March 25, 2021, 11:08:54 PM
#26
I pity those innocent animals who are being used for vaccine or other drug testing, they can't even speak for themselves, even though sometimes they rights are being violated, how can they test something without using animals?  I hope there would be another way of testing without harming them.
legendary
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March 25, 2021, 09:12:28 PM
#25


ill say it again.. no kids were volunteered into covid vaccine trials.

so please repeat that in your mind "no kids were volunteered into vaccine trials" repeat it 5 times
and then realise how ludicrous your rhetoric is where you say
"Let he who invents test upon himself and leave the guinea pig be"



Here ya go dummy  Grin

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/meet-volunteers-taking-part-vaccine-trial-children-115737320.html

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-first-participants-dosed-phase-23-study-0

the whole concept of 'animal testing' is about the pre-released pre-approved experiments where the formula has had no testing and is exposed to animals to find out for the first time if its dangerous. whereby dangerous formula's can cause harm to animals

covid vaccine has passed all the danger/safety tests..
and no kid was used as guineapigs for that.
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its 2021 not 2020.. we have moved passed the clinical trials..
..
kids are now given covid vaccine just like adults. as a released and accepted treatment.
the kids are not being tested on for danger/safety.
its more statistical analysis of does it actually help help reduce infections in the young. is it worth even giving to kids.

so if you think that 2021 covid vaccine usage is the same as the phase 1 clinical trials on mice.
then you are mission about a year of progress inbetween
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March 25, 2021, 12:11:19 PM
#24
If we fail to apply what we learn from animal testing - they all died - and then we treat people, what good is the animal testing? It's then people it's being tested on.

Cool

That's only if, and if all the animals from the testing died, then there's no way it will be tested to treat people.

This is the reason why they do animal testing, to avoid unexpected results and to see if the labrats die from the medication they get.

This is also the reason why there are many steps to begin with before you can be cleared for clinical trials for human testing.
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March 25, 2021, 07:55:04 AM
#23
Rats are the mostly used animal for testing against any kind if research related to humans because bith have sane parental species millions of years ago. But do you consider it as cruelty so you recommend to test the fellow humans as test species over animals? Which will be more cruel than usual animals.
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March 22, 2021, 07:14:23 AM
#22


ill say it again.. no kids were volunteered into covid vaccine trials.

so please repeat that in your mind "no kids were volunteered into vaccine trials" repeat it 5 times
and then realise how ludicrous your rhetoric is where you say
"Let he who invents test upon himself and leave the guinea pig be"



Here ya go dummy  Grin

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/meet-volunteers-taking-part-vaccine-trial-children-115737320.html

https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-first-participants-dosed-phase-23-study-0

Hehe I am not just any troll..I am a super troll.Tsk tsk assumptions V presumptions re your other enflamed waffle above but you profiling skills have much room for improvement like some other characteristics you have....but I don't judge Wink Wink  My skills are much better  Cool



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