Topic: Covid vaccine: First 'milestone' vaccine offers 90% protection - page 3. (Read 495 times)

pfizer/biontech were not giving people the vaccine/placebo. and then later giving people covid
instead they give the vaccine/placebo and tell the participants to go away and do normal life stuff and if the participants then get covid in their normal lives. tell the trial about it.
so far only 94 people have been exposed to covid in their normal lives and when biontech look at which groups those 94 fall into they found 9 in the vaccine group and 85 in the placebo group

meaning 21.9k from each group have yet to be exposed.
meaning less than 0.05% exposure rate
meaning to soon to be of an international indicator for advocating its good for billions of people to take

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im all for vaccines. but so far its too soon to call it

Do you mean 100 were initially for sure exposed to covid in sufficient dose to certainly infect non vaccinated people?
Maybe better to have dosed the entire sample with covid and see the difference?


I will try to read about the entire experiment more deeply.
The 90% seems a open to a few factors that were not controlled and could have contributed to the difference between the groups other than the vaccine. Then again I'm not clear on the conditions or duration of experient. Will have look.

ok lets clear up the inaccuracies

1. the pfizer vaccine is not taking the rna of the neucleus(central part that tells a cell what to replicate)
2. the pfizer vaccine is taking rna from the spikey shell that 'knocks on door' of a cell asking to be let in
3. the 90% is not 90% of all 22k vaccine participants

the 90% is based on this
44k total participants .. 22k had the vaccine 22k had a placeblo
out of all 44k so far only ~95 people then got covid. where ~85 were in the placebo group and 9 were in the vaccine group

so the ASSUMPTION is that the 2 groups should have had same risk of getting covid. and by a placebo group having 85 cases and vaccine group only having 9. they judge it as a v9:85p thus 90% effectivity

but these numbers are based on only 100 of the 44k being exposed to covid. meaning its too early to actually know

I'm good with the vaccine and the study, and this being a go...just saying take the 90% with a grain of salt.

For example, 90% of exactly what? Age? Pre existing? Ethnic? You know the drill.

@Charles

"...Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised..."

You forgot to mention that it should be preversed with 0- (-5) degree temp. for it t be effective)

This is crap! The is no need of mentioning any % in regards to the protection. The developers should go ahead to test this vaccines first on their children,wife, family members ..

Have you seen a virus?
It is claimed that they are so small that only an Electron Microscope (EM) can see them.
Other "seeing" of viruses is based on chemical actions that are assumed to present the reality of a virus.

EM viruses are "dead" viruses, which are not active. There is much assumption going on regarding what a dead virus would have done and has done in its "living" position in some human body.

Personally, I believe that with the advent of the Microsphere Nanoscope (MN) - a microscope that can see living viruses in living tissues - researchers are finding that a lot of past assumptions about viruses are being proven wrong. Since the MN was only invented in 2011, and there are many forms of it being put together, we are finding out through them, that there is a whole lot of complexity about the whole living system, that makes our past simple assumptions about viruses and what they do, to be a whole lot of science fiction.


The proof for viruses and what they do and how they "live" would not be forthcoming in a court of law. We might get some medical experts who say that they believe that this or that is happening, but there is no proof that it is not something else that is happening. The virus is still outside of our range of true knowing.

This also makes virus treatment something that is outside the range of our knowing. And when you look at the record of treated viruses in a pandemic, there is nothing that proves that it was the vaccines or medicines that cause the collapse of the pandemic. Many pandemics were on their way to being gone before the medical stepped in with their supposed cures.


The point is, we don't really have proof for viruses and what they do.

Because the other methods don't work. Acupuncture and alternative medicine are pseudo-scientific quackery, and are only used in modern times to transfer money from the gullible to con men.

Any medicine in the Allopathy treatment may give you side effects and this is an accepted fact in this world, but why people still chooses this treatment when they have natural way of curing with no side effects because the results are instant compared to other methods so any emergency treatment need medicine and people won't care about the consequences which may arise years later.

You are so close to a revelation.

Proof, like a randomized, placebo controlled, phase 3 trial with 44,000 participants? Or proof, like anti-vaxxers and conspiracy nuts just making stuff up as they see fit?

So close.

Here's how it works. Political science, not medical science. Political science says "WIN," no matter if you need to lie to do it.

What is political science? Whoever talks the most, loudest and best is the winner.

The picture in the OP is a bunch of political science. Let's see the medical and physical science that proves that the political science isn't lies this time. Do we have anybody who is willing to get on the stand and bring actual proof into court?... proof that doesn't include assumptions and guesses?... proof that can't be contradicted in any way?

This is important. We are talking the lives of people and nations here. We need real proof, not just a bunch of blab that anyone can slobber out of that hole in his face.

How would you define 'conspiracy theory'.  And why?  Examples of what would and would not be classified as a 'conspiracy theory'?

I hope you could make a stab at answering this relatively straightforward question given that you are actively arguing for a 'solution' which is based on editing information based on the classification methods I am asking about.

Pharms is the most corrupt industry in the entire world, this is why the Chinese alternative medicine and acupuncture still are being practised because its more sensible than taking tons of pills that will just shut your kidneys. Anyway, if the vaccine works I think they pharms should just provide for all and not create varieties of it which the cheaper vaccines are less potent and the pricey ones are very potent.

This thread will once again end up a thread of conspiracy theories.
If there is just a subforum for conspiracy theories in bitcointalk, it will be populated in less than a day. Mods will probably move more threads there.

Can we treat common cold?, the answer is very simple, YES. but why is it that we don't have any vaccine for it?, this is just my opinion and analysis for why is it.

Having a vaccine for such a common cold will drain the income of any pharmaceutical company cause to vaccinate is to "treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease" -google, while with a simple treatment, the cold will be gone but can comeback anytime which will produce a constant income for the pharmaceutical because the medicines needed for the treatment will still be available to be purchased from them.

It is all about business I think. So you will ask me now, why get a vaccine for covid 19?
because they can generate a large income and many competitors already started to find the vaccine for it. If they will stick to their old style plan, they will be left out from this large amount of demand in the market.

I'd be very cautious about believing things like that.

Or all of a sudden, are we able to stop the common cold?

The first effective coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19, a preliminary analysis shows. The developers - Pfizer and BioNTech - described it as a "great day for science and humanity". Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised.The companies plan to apply for emergency approval to use the vaccine by the end of the month.

How does it work?
There are around a dozen vaccines in the final stages of testing - known as a phase 3 trial - but this is the first to show any results. It uses a completely experimental approach - that involves injecting part of the virus's genetic code - in order to train the immune system. Previous trials have shown the vaccine trains the body to make both antibodies - and another part of the immune system called T-cells to fight the coronavirus.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-54873105