CPC Electronics - is it legit? - page 2.

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Quote from: MykelSilver on January 05, 2013, 03:48:06 PM

Quote from: niko on January 05, 2013, 03:40:35 PM

Have you tried reporting this scam to the local police? They must have a cyber/economic crime unit, and may be able to get warrants for ISP information. Chances are slim, but it's not impossible.

According to the answer i got from The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1434088 ) this can only be done by a resident from the UK.
I am a victim from the Netherlands. Because the crime is done in the UK for me the only thing I can do and have already done is fill in a complain to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum". I will be informed about the status this complain soon according to the online form I have filled in.

Alright. I thought you could report it to your local police. They should be able to interface with the Interpol or directly with the police in England. This is clearly an ongoing fraud, offering non-existing products priced in $, accepting only irreversible payments through the Bitcoin network. They should get nailed hard.

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Quote from: niko on January 05, 2013, 03:40:35 PM

Have you tried reporting this scam to the local police? They must have a cyber/economic crime unit, and may be able to get warrants for ISP information. Chances are slim, but it's not impossible.

According to the answer i got from The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1434088 ) this can only be done by a resident from the UK.
I am a victim from the Netherlands. Because the crime is done in the UK for me the only thing I can do and have already done is fill in a complain to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum". I will be informed about the status this complain soon according to the online form I have filled in.

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Quote from: MykelSilver on January 05, 2013, 11:55:52 AM

Today I filled a new case to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum" http://www.eccnl.eu/page/en.
They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued

Have you tried reporting this scam to the local police? They must have a cyber/economic crime unit, and may be able to get warrants for ISP information. Chances are slim, but it's not impossible.

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Quote from: MykelSilver on January 05, 2013, 11:55:52 AM

Today I filled a new case to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum" http://www.eccnl.eu/page/en.
They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued

Wow, they got you for that much? Very sorry to hear that. Undecided

Try not to feel too bad... when I was about 15 years old I spent about $800 (practically every penny I had) to order this really expensive paintball gun. I ordered from a website I had dealt with several times, and believed it was safe. But it just so happened they "went out of business" and declared bankruptcy after taking everyone's Christmas season orders and I got screwed. Reported them to authorities and nothing was ever done about it. Sad

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Today I filled a new case to the "Europees Consumenten Centrum" http://www.eccnl.eu/page/en.
They are gonna investigate this case.
It is really clear for me that I am robbed for 72.109 BTC :-(
If you investigate the transfer: http://blockchain.info/address/1Fva7yv31SET3n7fBhqyRZSjAiVQ8Rj3Zg it is clear that just little over an hour has passed before the scammer withdraw-ed the amount in two transactions.
To be continued

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Quote from: MykelSilver on January 04, 2013, 07:21:38 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on January 02, 2013, 07:10:21 AM

The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office is now looking into this. Any victims please contact [email protected] referencing complaint # 047774

I have mailed to the person you mentioned. Got this answer:
Dear Mr

Manchester Trading Standards acts for Consumers in Manchester however I have contacted this office address in Manchester this company is not trading from there and has never traded there.

As your transaction was on line any potential offences would have been committed where you are. I suggest you contact any enforcement agencies Police / Trading Standards in your country. you may also consider contacting your bank/card issuer as they may be able to reclaim the monies.

Sorry I cannot be of any further help.

Damn, bureaucracy strikes again.

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Quote from: MykelSilver on January 04, 2013, 07:19:29 AM

Quote from: niko on January 04, 2013, 07:02:51 AM

Quote from: MykelSilver on January 04, 2013, 01:16:10 AM

Niko, if you have read this thread carefully then you should have noticed that there is at least one victim reported to the TSO.

Just searched this thread for "tso" and for "order" and failed to find the victim. Would you please point to the specific post?

Hi,
I am the victim: Posted it here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1432754

Thanks for clarifying.

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Quote from: greyhawk on January 02, 2013, 07:10:21 AM

The Manchester City Council Tradings Standards Office is now looking into this. Any victims please contact [email protected] referencing complaint # 047774

I have mailed to the person you mentioned. Got this answer:
Dear Mr

Manchester Trading Standards acts for Consumers in Manchester however I have contacted this office address in Manchester this company is not trading from there and has never traded there.

As your transaction was on line any potential offences would have been committed where you are. I suggest you contact any enforcement agencies Police / Trading Standards in your country. you may also consider contacting your bank/card issuer as they may be able to reclaim the monies.

Sorry I cannot be of any further help.

Paul Minshaw
Neighbourhood Officer - Trading Standards

Citywide Support Team
Manchester City Council
1Hammerstone Rd
Gorton
Manchester
M18 8EQ
Tel :0161 234 1556
Fax:0161 957 8379
[email protected]
www.manchester.gov.co.uk

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Quote from: niko on January 04, 2013, 07:02:51 AM

Quote from: MykelSilver on January 04, 2013, 01:16:10 AM

Niko, if you have read this thread carefully then you should have noticed that there is at least one victim reported to the TSO.

Just searched this thread for "tso" and for "order" and failed to find the victim. Would you please point to the specific post?

Hi,
I am the victim: Posted it here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1432754

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Quote from: greyhawk on January 03, 2013, 03:47:23 AM

....At this point TSO would appreciate a victim to step forward (by monitoring the wallet adress we know there is at least one) to supply them with more information.

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Quote from: MykelSilver on January 04, 2013, 01:16:10 AM

Niko, if you have read this thread carefully then you should have noticed that there is at least one victim reported to the TSO.

Just searched this thread for "tso" and for "order" and failed to find the victim. Would you please point to the specific post?

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Niko, if you have read this thread carefully then you should have noticed that there is at least one victim reported to the TSO.

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Quote from: niko on January 03, 2013, 05:28:30 PM

No victim, no crime? It appears that so far nobody fell for this scam, and without victims stepping forward, authorities will not act. Fair enough. In the meantime, we should try and guess who is behind this, per Phinn's suggestion. Writing style, misspellings, mindset...

Hmmm... I dunno if I agree with the "no victim, no crime" logic... Something like using a drug or hiring a prostitute would be a "victimless crime", but in this case these people are actually attempting to do real harm to others. If you shoot at someone you don't get off the hook if you miss... nor does a kidnapper get off the hook because the little girl got away. By the same logic, I don't think a thief should be off the hook because they failed to steal -- they tried, and thus are guilty.

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on January 03, 2013, 05:11:55 PM

Now we need to figure out which Bitcoiner was behind this endeavor. I'm pretty sure he/she is a member of this forum.

That is highly likely. Perhaps even posting in this thread under a code-name like "Phinnaeus"... just kidding! Cheesy

But you're probably right and the perps are among us...

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Quote from: niko on January 03, 2013, 05:28:30 PM

No victim, no crime? It appears that so far nobody fell for this scam, and without victims stepping forward, authorities will not act. Fair enough. In the meantime, we should try and guess who is behind this, per Phinn's suggestion. Writing style, misspellings, mindset...

Why waste time?
It is likely they used a CC/paypal to pay for the domain hosting.
Just pass the domain register/hosting to the TS in Manchester & visa versa, get them talking then the person with the case can pull the details back from the TS in Manchester and we can spread the love around, ESP. if we can tie the name/cc to a bit-coin chain.

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No victim, no crime? It appears that so far nobody fell for this scam, and without victims stepping forward, authorities will not act. Fair enough. In the meantime, we should try and guess who is behind this, per Phinn's suggestion. Writing style, misspellings, mindset...

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Quote from: ATC777 on January 03, 2013, 02:25:31 PM

Great, I'm glad to see some progress! Please keep us all posted on how it goes and I'm here if you want help!

Now we need to figure out which Bitcoiner was behind this endeavor. I'm pretty sure he/she is a member of this forum.

~Bruno K~

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Great, I'm glad to see some progress! Please keep us all posted on how it goes and I'm here if you want help!

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"violatilty of the bitcoin market"?! LOL

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Quote from: greyhawk on January 03, 2013, 03:47:23 AM

As formerly described I have contacted the Trading Standards Office with the evidence collected by BTCTalk in the three seperate CPC threads thus far. The TSO has confirmed that there is no company CPC Electronics registered in Manchester and that no company like that exists at the adress they supposedly exist at. At this point TSO would appreciate a victim to step forward (by monitoring the wallet adress we know there is at least one) to supply them with more information.

I have just sent a mail to [email protected], subject complaint # 047774 and explained my case. I asked Mr. Minshaw if the information I provided was clear and to keep me informed of this case. To be continued....

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