Craig "Faketoshi" Wright saga continues. His team turns against him. - page 5.

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Quote from: Sophokles on October 06, 2023, 02:29:07 PM

Is there any fanbase for Satoshi? Many people can like him because of his innovation but most of the bitcoin holder doesn't care much. What these fake satoshi want is media attention. I like your idea about Satoshi existence. We know satoshi Nakamoto is the creator of bitcoin network but there can be a group of people who have created the whole thing. At this point, I think it should be kept a secret.

Yes. Personally I will gain nothing at all if I learn who satoshi is. I assume bitcoin is not going to be benefited from such revelation. Bitcoin is a commodity as I said. It is not a security. There is no CEO here

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Great news. You can only be a liar for so long.
I mean, let's be honest here. If your friend, who you really like, told you that he's the best chess player in the world, you'd want to see him play, right?
Time and time again you and all your friends would ask him to play with you but he'd always decline, hiding behind stupid excuses, like he's hungry, or has to clean the bathroom, or has a headache... You'd eventually know he's bullshitting you. That's Craig in a nutshell.

He can't even prove that he was around, doing something in the bitcoin network in 2010. How can he be Satoshi if he wasn't even around when White Paper was published?
He's so full of shit he shouldn't be given any time and attention.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 06, 2023, 10:04:09 AM

The only thing I don’t really understand about this development is why now?

Probably because of the legal concerns. I was completely ignoring all this clown show, while it did concern me that a few people were really taking him seriously all along, but when I heard he was going to sue Bitcoin developers and saw established people like Maxwell posting wall writeups, I felt he deserves more than ignorance. Fortunately he lost the case, but it is absolutely ridiculous and concerning that in UK, for example, this mentally ill person succeeded on removing the Bitcoin whitepaper from bitcoin.org.

True Bitcoiners know we are all Satoshi (except that scumbag).

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Quote from: apogio on October 06, 2023, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: pooya87 on October 06, 2023, 09:26:43 AM

Exactly, also it is not just about seeking recognition. Even if Satoshi were to reveal his true identity he would never do it like this. For example why would Satoshi even sue bitcoin.org owner for hosting the whitepaper that he released under MIT license for free and in public?! The scammer has poked, harassed and sued a lot of people involved in bitcoin like bitcoin core developers too. That's not something the real Satoshi would do. Heck that's not even something a normal person would do Tongue

Hahah now that you mention it, I sincerely find it difficult to believe that people believe he is satoshi. I am convinced that we will never know who satoshi was. I believe it was a pseudocharacter created by a bunch of cypherpunks that were dedicated in developing bitcoin and had arranged in advance that they will never say it. In fact, there is no need to know.

A technical question I always had was whether it would be possible (if satoshi was a group of people) that they all need to sign. And it is not only one person who need to sign to prove he is satoshi.

Is there any fanbase for Satoshi? Many people can like him because of his innovation but most of the bitcoin holder doesn't care much. What these fake satoshi want is media attention. I like your idea about Satoshi existence. We know satoshi Nakamoto is the creator of bitcoin network but there can be a group of people who have created the whole thing. At this point, I think it should be kept a secret.

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 02, 2023, 04:13:03 PM

No idea if anyone is still interested in the adventures of our good friend, Dr Craig Wright, who, for those who got into Bitcoin recently, claims to be the real Satoshi Nakamoto, but I'm glad to hear that his biggest backer, Calvin Ayre, finally lost a fate and is turning his back on him.
Hopefully this will indicate the end of Wright's strange endeavors. Many found him a good laughing stock, but he did cause a lot of troubles to many individuals, including some Bitcoin developers, with his nonsensical lawsuits.

More on the story:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/10/02/shocking-leak-blows-up-mystery-of-bitcoin-creator-satoshi-nakamoto/

https://twitter.com/agerhanssen/status/1708628458404708850

Wasn't Calvin Ayre one of the persons behind BSV? In all this story I only regret I can't find such a gullible billionaire who would sponsor me! I'd tell him that I'm Jesus and I'll solve his aging issue. Interesting, would he buy that? Grin

I guess it would be pretty hard to find anyone here on this forum (let alone a billionaire) who would believe that Craig Wright is Satoshi. Grin

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Quote from: pawel7777 on October 06, 2023, 10:45:42 AM

Not everything revolves about public image and not all problems go away if you just stop paying attention. There were a lot of people that he dragged through courts (or threaten to) and that's not a kind of problem you can just ignore when that happens to you.

Hmm, yes dear I'm a little bit aware of what he did as NotATether created a topic a couple of days ago, Bitcoin.org indefinitely forbidden from serving whitepaper and client to UK At that time I did a background search on him because I've heard of his name a couple of times in the ruling. After that, I came to know how freaking stupid he is and what the shit he's bringing constantly.

Hmm, well for his karma I think, he'll definitely pay for the credibility already paying but seems like it has not affected him sooner or later he'll find himself in a quagmire. What he's expecting (a clean paycheck) defiantly impossible.

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Quote from: OgNasty on October 06, 2023, 10:04:09 AM

The only thing I don’t really understand about this development is why now? Everyone has been aware of the fake evidence used by Craig Wright for years now. Literally everyone has known he was a fraud. So why now is everyone positioning themselves against him. Were they just pretending to go along with the scam to get a paycheck?

It's not like "everyone" turned against him recently, most have done it long time ago, and the recent events is just his scammy group falling apart.

Quote from: Hamza2424 on October 06, 2023, 10:22:07 AM

I thought this might be over, but it seems not. These cases will continue until the community stops paying attention to these idiots.

Not everything revolves about public image and not all problems go away if you just stop paying attention. There were a lot of people that he dragged through courts (or threaten to) and that's not a kind of problem you can just ignore when that happens to you.

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I thought this might be over, but it seems not. These cases will continue until the community stops paying attention to these idiots. After exposing their leader, I don't think the community cares about them anymore. They were liars, and they admitted it, but they're still liars.

Simply put, why did Satoshi choose privacy if he wanted to make a comeback later? These fake Satoshis don't even have common sense. I would advise CSW to go for a rest, it really not his ground, can he spell Bitcoin Wink

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The only thing I don’t really understand about this development is why now? Everyone has been aware of the fake evidence used by Craig Wright for years now. Literally everyone has known he was a fraud. So why now is everyone positioning themselves against him. Were they just pretending to go along with the scam to get a paycheck?

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Quote from: apogio on October 06, 2023, 09:10:03 AM

The question is, if he really was satoshi, why would he create such a bad image around him. I mean why make everyone believe he is a scammer?

As pooya says, everything CSW has ever said or done is at complete odds with the knowledge and ethos that Satoshi expressed via their emails, mailing list posts, and forum posts.

Here's a great example of some of CSW's stupidest moments, where he has outright contradicted things Satoshi has written: https://nitter.cz/Arthur_van_Pelt/status/1587117094130356232

Quote from: apogio on October 06, 2023, 09:43:57 AM

A technical question I always had was whether it would be possible (if satoshi was a group of people) that they all need to sign. And it is not only one person who need to sign to prove he is satoshi.

The coinbase transaction of the genesis block and all Satoshi linked blocks pay to a single public key, so whoever owns that private key would be able to sign a message as "Satoshi". So unless a group of people had set up a system where they each hold a set of partial private keys which need to be combined in a trustless manner to form the final private key (which I think is highly unlikely), then only a single person is needed to sign.

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Quote from: pooya87 on October 06, 2023, 09:26:43 AM

Exactly, also it is not just about seeking recognition. Even if Satoshi were to reveal his true identity he would never do it like this. For example why would Satoshi even sue bitcoin.org owner for hosting the whitepaper that he released under MIT license for free and in public?! The scammer has poked, harassed and sued a lot of people involved in bitcoin like bitcoin core developers too. That's not something the real Satoshi would do. Heck that's not even something a normal person would do Tongue

Hahah now that you mention it, I sincerely find it difficult to believe that people believe he is satoshi. I am convinced that we will never know who satoshi was. I believe it was a pseudocharacter created by a bunch of cypherpunks that were dedicated in developing bitcoin and had arranged in advance that they will never say it. In fact, there is no need to know.

A technical question I always had was whether it would be possible (if satoshi was a group of people) that they all need to sign. And it is not only one person who need to sign to prove he is satoshi.

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Quote from: apogio on October 06, 2023, 09:10:03 AM

The question is, if he really was satoshi, why would he create such a bad image around him. I mean why make everyone believe he is a scammer?
And I personally believe that CSW is a complete fraud. The real satoshi never seeked recognition.

Exactly, also it is not just about seeking recognition. Even if Satoshi were to reveal his true identity he would never do it like this. For example why would Satoshi even sue bitcoin.org owner for hosting the whitepaper that he released under MIT license for free and in public?! The scammer has poked, harassed and sued a lot of people involved in bitcoin like bitcoin core developers too. That's not something the real Satoshi would do. Heck that's not even something a normal person would do Tongue

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 06, 2023, 08:59:06 AM

You're not missing anything, and that's my point.

Should CSW finally produce a signed message from the genesis block public key, then there is one of three possibilities - he has broken the ECDLP, he is Satoshi, or he has stumbled across or stolen one of Satoshi's key. Of those three possibilities, the first is essentially impossible, the second is only marginally more likely than the first, and the last is exponentially more likely than the other two.

The question is, if he really was satoshi, why would he create such a bad image around him. I mean why make everyone believe he is a scammer?

And I personally believe that CSW is a complete fraud. The real satoshi never seeked recognition. He didn't want to be known. And he was hiding in an astonishing way, that requires lots of experience in Privacy and Cryptography. Someone who used cryptography to hide that well, how can he be unable to use cryptography to re-appear?

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Quote from: DooMAD on October 06, 2023, 08:06:40 AM

"I need to convince someone I have a decent amount of evidence to support my lie. What would be a sensible amount? 4 million pages? Yeah, that sounds reasonable". What in the actual fuck is going on in that man's head? Cheesy

It's wild. What exactly is he proposing? That he generated 1,000 pages of text/code related to bitcoin every day for 10 years?

Was this at the same time of his claims that he was enrolled in 19 universities simultaneously, writing 3 university papers in a single night, sleeping for 4 hours a night, and listening to audio books at triple speed while asleep: https://nitter.cz/CalvinAyre/status/1460349867340050436

Anything but signing a message, eh?

Quote from: apogio on October 06, 2023, 08:39:22 AM

The only way I can think is that he "somehow" obtained the private key.

Is there anything I am missing here?

You're not missing anything, and that's my point.

Should CSW finally produce a signed message from the genesis block public key, then there is one of three possibilities - he has broken the ECDLP, he is Satoshi, or he has stumbled across or stolen one of Satoshi's key. Of those three possibilities, the first is essentially impossible, the second is only marginally more likely than the first, and the last is exponentially more likely than the other two.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 04, 2023, 03:32:51 AM

Disagree. Signing a message from an early Satoshi-linked private key is necessary but not sufficient to prove you are Satoshi. That is to say, anyone who can't sign a message (such as CSW) can be ignored, but even if someone can sign a message it does not prove they are Satoshi. Signing a message would be enough to start a wider discussion and examination of the individual in question to see if they have the same knowledge, ability, ethics, etc., as Satoshi did (which CSW has none of).

Even if CSW managed to sign a message today, I still wouldn't think he is Satoshi, given the years of proven lies, forgeries, fraud, basic technical incompetence, contradictions, and outright stupidity. It would be far more likely he had somehow stumbled upon or stolen a private key.

Even though I believe he is not Satoshi, how would it be possible to sign a message without being satoshi?

The only way I can think is that he "somehow" obtained the private key.

Is there anything I am missing here?

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 06, 2023, 06:05:17 AM

What a coincidence he just so happened to find some more drives filled with proof he is Satoshi! Half of the proof is clearly forgeries and the other half is encrypted, but never mind that! No doubt the forgeries are because he is so smart he was deliberately making them seem fake or something and the password for the encrypted files is in a trust and he'll gain access to it in 10 years' time. Roll Eyes

This is getting so ridiculous I'm starting to think he might have some sort of syndrome. I'm not sure if there's a clinical term for this, but I think we've all encountered a type of people that would just make up incredible stories for no good reason. Maybe they lied a lot as children and never got caught so their brains got wired that way.
I could feel sorry for him if not for all the lawsuits and all. I feel sorry for his kids though, unless it's a lie too.

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after seeing a few tweets it seems Christen Ager-Hanssen is just publicising his exit just to promote a book he wrote before he left..
https://nitter.cz/agerhanssen/status/1710215569226576164#m
maybe it is wrote in the style of a whistleblower report to board members, but we all know the content is the standard scam drama we all known for years
funny part is i bet all board members already knew of CSW scams but were promised riches if they suck up and play along
what would be revealing is now stuff from insiders is becoming public. if the others do not react and distance themselves they become wilful accomplices if they stick with CSW's charade

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 06, 2023, 06:05:17 AM

Looks like CSW is doubling down with his usual bullshit:
https://nitter.cz/agerhanssen/status/1710026384326734324#m
https://nitter.cz/agerhanssen/status/1710031786145669512#m

What a coincidence he just so happened to find some more drives filled with proof he is Satoshi! Half of the proof is clearly forgeries and the other half is encrypted, but never mind that!

If you're going to lie, go big or go home, heh. Wright's thought process goes:

"I need to convince someone I have a decent amount of evidence to support my lie. What would be a sensible amount? 4 million pages? Yeah, that sounds reasonable". What in the actual fuck is going on in that man's head? Cheesy

I find the issue with the phrase "doubling down" is, if you do it repeatedly, the context and level of severity is lost. At this point, Faketoshi is order-of-magnitude-ing down. How anyone could still buy this farce is beyond my comprehension.

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Looks like CSW is doubling down with his usual bullshit:
https://nitter.cz/agerhanssen/status/1710026384326734324#m
https://nitter.cz/agerhanssen/status/1710031786145669512#m

What a coincidence he just so happened to find some more drives filled with proof he is Satoshi! Half of the proof is clearly forgeries and the other half is encrypted, but never mind that! No doubt the forgeries are because he is so smart he was deliberately making them seem fake or something and the password for the encrypted files is in a trust and he'll gain access to it in 10 years' time. Roll Eyes

However, looks like CSW has threatened Ayre with something, and so Ayre is maybe still funding him for now?
https://nitter.cz/agerhanssen/status/1710035713394147582#m

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Quote from: DaveF on October 05, 2023, 03:20:50 PM

I don't think this is the end of the entire BSV / CSW show but I think this is the final few chapters. I'm sure more lawsuits will start flying and other things will be said and other documents will be faked.

the way i see it:
if ayres is truly defunding CSW lawsuits then they will dry up. but there will still be other social media drama chapters to fill his biography where he will re-do his media promotion ploy he done 8 years ago. by sending stories to news media trying to whistle blow himself and pretend someone else is trying to out him. he will do a few more speaking tour paid conferences/interviews. and then try to sell his story to production/publishing companies

i dont think there are many more people wiling to be his sugar daddy, so it will be time he gets a real job when his book/movie deals fail

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