Topic: Craig Wright is official a fraud - page 4. (Read 5680 times)

We all know his tactics and he is winning in a way by making everyone in the community talking about him, we had several threads in this forum just to mention his name and we are giving importance to his claims indirectly, we need to stop that publicity which he is craving and if that happens he will die off into obscurity and that is what we need rather than mentioning him all the time, it is my opinion and everyone has their rights to their opinion  .

Which works against Craig Wright. He's sanctioned for lying/abuse, and he's not Satoshi. Hahaha.

About his identity, it must go back to Craig Wright signing a message using the Satoshi keys. Plus because he was not credible, Craig being Satoshi or not, was not the issue anymore. He lied and falsified documents, why? Not Satoshi in my opinion.

The judge explicitly said, that the court doesn't decide, wether CSW is SN or not, but as they assume CSW has access to SN's Bitcoins, it indicates, that they believe Ira Kleimans story about the Bitcoin partnership CSW/DK, which most likely also never took place.
They also assume, that all the lies and forgeries, that CSW committed, was because he doesn't want to share his 1 Mio Bitcoins.

I believe, that the following happened:

The first time one of the actors appeared, was Dave Kleiman. I am not sure who it was, but somebody pointed out, that DK could be Satoshi Nakamoto. Later internet press took this story and added Craig Wright, who had some real life connections with DK.
https://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460

Looks like Craig found out that his buddy Dave is one of the Satoshi Nakamoto candidates and that Satoshi might have a huge Bitcoin stack.
I read somewhere, that after Dave's death, CSW was trying to get access to Dave's computer to get the Bitcoins and he forged documents, that linked Dave Kleiman and himself in a business, which never existed. He used a handwrite font to forge DK's signature (DK had a completely different signature btw, which shows CSW's level of impudence).


Some of the sources:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/09/bitcoin-founder-craig-wrights-home-raided-by-australian-police?CMP=twt_gu
https://gizmodo.com/the-strange-life-and-death-of-dave-kleiman-a-computer-1747092460
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-bitcoin-exclusive-idUSKBN0TS0AB20151209#bzeAL54QJoAhRJ8p.97
https://www.wired.com/2015/12/bitcoins-creator-satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-this-unknown-australian-genius/
https://www.wired.com/2016/05/craig-wright-privately-proved-hes-bitcoins-creator/
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/12/09/2147378/so-satoshi-is-an-aussie/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-so-little-talk-of-dave-kleiman-1459687
https://www.cointop.net/so-called-satoshi-accused-of-pgp-forgery-in-kleiman-vs-wright-suit/
https://bico.media/05fbeb3973805c902601b5c1ef2831d27eb5c45c40b8032a53d428b68cdfd53d.pdf
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.187.0.pdf
https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/bdypn6/this_is_old_but_gold_gwern_branwen_coauthors_an/elj6xn9/?context=1
https://gizmodo.com/this-australian-says-he-and-his-dead-friend-invented-bi-1746958692
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51052990



Some quotes:

Well played. Now that he's exposed, I wonder what he's going to do next. I'm sure that BSV will really take a big hit this time because of his lies and it will hard to redeem itself again. I wonder when will he drop the "I am Satoshi" case. If he still lies about that instead of trying to redeem himself, the grave that he's digging right now is just going to get deeper.

That's exactly how faketoshi could be sent to jail potentially by refusing to tell the court how much he owns.
He could say that he is unable to tell but it is the court to decide the credibility of his words.

what i have read on news sites the judge actually explicitly have declared that the court was not to even decide whether he is Satoshi or not, the court was not even supposed to estimate how much bitcoin he may or may not own.
this last part is actually part of my confusion specially since the court's decision was to order him to give "half" of what he owned but at the same time they don't specify how much is the total to give half of it!

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/28/australian-who-says-he-invented-bitcoin-ordered-to-hand-over-up-to-5bn
classic scammer's attitude:

Was it declared that he was Satoshi?

From some comments on Twitter, Craig Wright lost because he was abusive of the judicial process, proven not credible, and a liar who commited perjury. But the BitcoinCashSV hodlers will tell you, "Satoshi is brilliant for proving to the world that he is not Satoshi, protecting his identity, but he is Satoshi because look".

Craig Wright sold most of his BSV after he triggered the pump by filing the patent application. If you remember, first he crashed the prices (perhaps in collusion with the exchanges and Blockchain.com) by getting the coin delisted from many of the exchanges. Once he could accumulate a good volume of BSV, he pumped the prices through the patent application. He sold most of his coins when the exchange rates were around 0.025-0.029 BTC and as a result the prices went back to the previous levels (BTC0.013 per coin).

But first, we need to see whether the judge will ask for immediate implementation of his order. There is a very good chance that Craig Wright would consider appealing against the ruling in the higher courts. So I don't see any immediate danger for Wright. Also, we need to remember that Craig S Wright is an Australian citizen currently residing in England. Rulings in the US may have limited impact on him. The ruling was issued by Judge Bruce E. Reinhart, the Magistrate Judge of United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida. First, Reinhart's order needs to be adopted by the United States District Judge Beth Francine Bloom. As far as I know, this process hasn't been completed yet.

A lot of people HODL BCH and BSV from their old BTC Addresses in the USA in that it is NOT clear yet how the IRS will tax this stuff falling from the sky! So it is better to just

let these sh*tcoin's ride, rather than move them out to something else and expose yourself to unknow tax problems or other issues. My CPA says you can't get burnt if you

just leave it the hell alone.

Anyway, what I'm doing and so others have said. Kinda a big Meh! It fell on a person's BTC Blockchain roof..if it stays and adds value somehow, well meh! If it slides off the

blockchain roof without any value someday, well meh! Most of us have missed so many boats since 2013 on either buy or sell or whatever at this point in time or that particular

coin launch (like ETH) that we are like the Pregnant Waitress waving at the fleet from the dock as they sail off to war, hoping someone waves back!

So again, meh!

Brad

Believe it or not there's still many people bagholding their BSV. Similarly to Craig Wright's problems, BSV backholders (and pretty much any shitcoin bagholder, specially forks) have too much of an ego to admit defeat. Those are exactly the people that go down with the ship. They had many opportunities to jump and get saved by dumping in exchange of Bitcoin while they had the opportunity to do so, but no, they thought they were going to defeat Bitcoin, they thought they were the real Bitcoin, they thought they were "the next big thing" and so on.

Once 2020 is here and absolutely nothing happens, they will look for excuses and keep kicking the can waiting for "the flippening".

You can't save CSW as much as you can't save shitcoin bagholders, they share the same insolvable problems.

That's just it. This is a 'civil' case in the USA and he is from Australia. He, IMHO, can just be playing the 'long con and when 1/1/2020 comes along, he will say the following.

More or less in this order.

(1) Around January 1st, 2020 he will announce a 'delay' on accessing the 'supposed Tulip Fund and his 'supposed' Bitcoin access due to legal and tax reasons and the uncertainty

of 'supposed 2019 USA taxes clarification on cryptocurrency and Bitcoin. That will kill at least a year, if not more time, for the 'big con' and stall.

(2) After the above, he will then say he has run into difficulties with exactly 'how much' BTC there is in the various 'supposed' Tulip Fund BTC addresses and such. Again, for

tax purposes.  Then, of course, there is how to distribute the funds that he lost in the lawsuit and to his partners who have floated this scam for him for years, etc. Note: the

mt. Gox distribution has taken what, 4 years? Also, don't forget he can bring up tax issues again for the USA yet, on this new conundrum and also Australia and the United Kingdom,

which he has lived for awhile. Again, all this and 'still' not proving he even has any access to any original Satoshi Bitcoin Address of any kind.

(3) He could also lie (gasp!) and say he has decided to NOT sell all his BTC and NOT by selling much at all get around the above tax burdens in mass on the above messes

in (1) and (2) above he claims. He will however then say that he WILL be pulling all the BCH and BSV OUT of his wallets. Not sure when of course, see some issues on above

(1) and (2) etc, further kicking his actual proof of owning any keys down the road. Even IF he has NO access to Bitcoin keys, by that point he may have enough access to BTC he has

mined and/or has converted from BSV at the high, back in the day, with partners in last 2 years or so. Thus the long con would be to take that BTC ..strip out the BCH and BSV and then

dump the BCH and claim the run has started and he is dumping all BCH from his now supposedly accessible Tulip Trust soon after, a test of market conditions, using, of course, NON-Tulip

Trust Bitcoin for tax purposes and see how it goes. Gonna use the last out on Bitcoin, I've mined since 2017 don't ya know, as a test before dumping the 2009 BTC don't ya know.

Thus on this  supposed panic he has created FUD that can pump BSV and sell it high and drive BCH down massively. Reaping the rewards for a time.

(4) After that he says he has changed his mind and WILL release a mass amount of Bitcoin in that tax issues and such have been solved and also he will now dump a bunch

he owes $2 billion to the Klieman estate and also at least $1 Billion? for USA and Australia and United Kingdom taxes. Then on this 'supposed move, he will drive BSV up in

price and thus dump at the high again. Are you seeing a rinse/wash/repeat pattern?

(5) Alas after say about 3 years of the above, and NOW finally saying he has everything now in order, he has tried to get the Bitcoin out of the Tulip Trust and alas!

He has been betrayed by the trustees of the fund, lost keys, took off with keys, our 'soon to be benevolent alien overlords, take your pick, etc, etc.

Alas, such bad luck, so sorry. Thus, he has dumped or is dumping BSV on these actions, he has no choice, none of the coins he dumps will be Bitcoin coins from the Klieman

the settlement, those, of course, are 'lost' so sorry. Also, from these last 3 years of future drama, say till 2023 of these games, he probably could use this con to at least get say (IMHO)

about $1 billion dollars USD from all this drama/BTC/bch/bsv manipulation/bsv selling on high on artificial pumps etc, etc. Maybe more if he secretly does believe in BTC and is just

using this long con to fill his HODL hoard.

Thus even after paying off his partners in crime he still could clear $1/2 Billion USD (IMHO)  in Bitcoin and if he DOES HODL that (hey, by that time he has destroyed BCH and BSV)

has to go someplace. Thus with the supposed 'technical' fixes by Bitcoin Core in the next 3 years he now claims, he has a 'come to Jesus' moment and Bitcoin Core is just dandy

and as Satoshi, he is pleased they have now seen the light and is going to jump back in and lead Bitcoin Core into the future! ( I threw up a little bit in my throat on typing this)

Indeed, he could write a tell-all, book, from an un-extraditable nation and probably have a best seller for another 1/2 million best seller!

This is just what comes to mind, and I'm a fairly honest fellow, I'm sure he has much better skills in this than myself, thus it will likely be much worse than any of the above.

Of course, the 'worst' is if he actually is the last man alive from the Satoshi Group and has full access to the Bitcoin Tulip Fund in 1/1/2020...but the universe could not be that cruel!

(shudder!)

What do you all think? Is this too far fetched? Will he crash and burn sooner or later or never? Will he play this and some folk like a fiddle as the master of scam and FUD?

Above is all supposition on my part, but he has options to play this into a long con for some dubious uses on the crypto/BTC community.

How much success he has I've no idea, but I'm damn sure he is gonna try like hell!

Brad

The next thing that I would like to hear now is that he was officially jailed because he is really a fraud and I knew that he wanted to defraud people more when he claimed that he was satoshi, I am sure that he was trying to get attention of people to bsv so that they can invest for the value to climb and give him the opportunity to dump that his plenty investment that he has in bsv.

I am sure that by now he would have learnt his lessons that it is not good to go about things in a fraudulent way now he will be losing a lot of money for no reason, they just need to teach him lesson more and make him spend some times in jail, maybe that will also teach some of the people that are impersonating satoshi to withdraw before they plan that which they want to do.

It's either a desperate move on his part of someone took advantage of the situation created a fake news and then take the profits when BSV hits $200. Just sad that a lot of investors are duped by this fraudsters again. I guess we can all rest the case as it is now official that CW is not Satoshi. He could file for an appeal but it doesn't change the fact he is faketoshi.

Finally that's official, I don't think he can still cause some FUD or FOMO in the space, I hope people will not anymore get fooled by this man.
No Satoshi, he isn't the real one and we will never know the real satoshi, everyone who claims they are satoshi are fake, including this one of course which is now declared as an official liar.

I wonder what will happen with BSV.

I think the opposite of this https://cryptoslate.com/bitcoin-sv-pumps-after-fake-craig-wright-satoshi-news-tricks-chinese-investors/

that's the thing with centralized altcoins, their price has nothing to do with what is going on in the real world. their price is 100% manipulated by the owners that are fully controlling the chain and the market both. that is why it has not yet disappeared, they are keeping it alive artificially. and with each pump and dump others also join in because they want profit and don't care about anything else.

Well its been over a day since the trial and looking at the markets including BSV it seems that 99% of the people already knew that Craig was never Satoshi.

Basically if he actually was Satoshi then a massive sell-off would happen since the estate would have to pay taxes on those BTC holdings and the taxes alone would be in the billions and the market wouldn't be able to absorb all that selling especially if it happened in a short time-frame.

I think unless we start seeing some old 2009 Bitcoin coinbase public address start moving 50 BTC around and being sent to a single party where it adds up to 400K BTC then there won't be any panic in the markets. However like everybody has mentioned here before. Most likely he is not Satoshi and those BTC aren't his.

I remember that panel. Dude was introduced out of nowhere. Trace and Szabo were there, they had nothing to do with getting him on that Skype call. It must have been a Matonis connection there I guess. I reckon he was introduced as an early miner or something.

What interests me now is what is the current state of the Paul Solotshi Calder LeRoux. Word around town was that CSW was trying to bruteforce on his HDD which allegedly had satoshi's wallet... history got increasingly comboluted to follow.

In fairness to him, he already posted this blog and left it to the reader to decide, http://gavinandresen.ninja/either-or-ignore

Although yes, an open declaration, like Roger Ver did, would have been convincing.


No, that video shows no introduction from Nick Szabo or Trace Mayer. They were only in a panel together.

Ask the man,


https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1166398879488606208

That is ridiculous. This it sounds like Craig Wright uses crypto to promote his name in media and be known in the public. This is some kind of media plays and nothing to take it seriously.
As Mr. Wright become officially fraud, then I'm officially not listening to him about crypto, neither. He is not actually a bad guy but he is putting himself to be bad to look at. 

Imho he's officially a fraud since the point he was unable to properly sign that message with Satoshi's keys.
Did anything change since then? Nothing. Just media noise.
Bitcoin goes on. And CSW goes.. deeper and deeper down.