Topic: Craig Wright loses Bitcoin Copyright at England and Wales High Court Division (Read 345 times)

i know the UK doesnt..

but SLAPPERs know all the tricks to prolong a case,
change of venue, change of jurisdiction
so just be prepared for him to waste years on all these games

if he does a change of jurisdiction by saying most of his opposition is in america or what ever blah he comes up with next. then be prepared for more time wasting

No depos in the UK fwiw-- the process is pretty different than the US.

just be aware that while chasing stressing and waiting for his case to go to trial
he will waste your time with "discovery" and "pre trial motions" and lots of other things like "depositions"

where by becasue he is the claimant you lot end up not being the interviewer but in the hotseat being interviewed in things like depositions

(another reason why being on the defense is bad, as CSW team control the questions and they can limit how you should answer 'just a yes or no please')
whre by your side cant really challenge his means of questioning you and limited area's where your team can question his side

this is why hodlonaut done the right things and done the counter claim so he got to say his side and question CSW

He didn't "lose the case"--  Because Wright is suing foreigners he was required to get the courts permission before serving them (giving them notice of the lawsuit and requiring their response).  When he sought that permission the court said that one of his three allegations was such obvious bullshit that he was guaranteed to lose it and he isn't permitted to waste the defendants time with it.

But he's still permitted to waste our time with the other two allegations-- the court didn't reach any conclusions of them they weren't just so obviously trash that the court could see it itself even when no opposition was allowed, since the court didn't have anyone explaining why they are trash.

He specifically set things up so this case can't even be heard until after copa (because by his own admission they require that he be the author of Bitcoin)... e.g. probably in 2025.

What was the reason for him to lose the case  ? 

What is his next plan ?  Is he try go after Binance and Coinbase ?

reading the manner of how his 3 main funder guys S.m, j.n, C.a   speak of CSW
though they say they "believe" and 'seen proof' they say it with the same silly loose reasons that are too obvious that they are just playing along with CSW.. with all the revealing tone and words of knowing the scam. being involved in it, but wanting others to believe them to keep the ruse alive for ROI via the scummy schemes

(they need some OTHER people to believe it enough to buy tickets to CSW speaking tour conventions/seminar time slots).. but it does not need good reputation.. even scammers get a fanbase of "lets all get rich" (Bitconnneeeecct!!)

also their sworded history is not of innocence

You're right to some extent, but reputation is still relevant. Because if I were to guess, not literally 100% of people on CSW's side are malicious. At least some of them are just tricked and lied to.

Always happy to see good court decisions

Well, I guess until his money runs out... but seeing how much money he presumably has, it is going to last a long time. He will appeal against the judgements on technicalities and it's going to draw on and on... until the judicial system make the mistake he is waiting for. 

Craig Wright cannot win against the experts in the field, because the facts are out there that he has no proof (Private keys to Satoshi's tokens) to validate his claims, but the judicial system have some flaws... and he is trying to exploit that. 

Not much left if keep on going the same way as with each loss he is losing the battle to prove what he is not.When he will go bankrupt he might realise what a blunder he has done by wasting all such years and money into these bullshit fraud cases from him.The L's are not gonna help him more.

scammers dont care about their reputation. its all about money
even their investors who work with the scammer dont care about reputation. its all about the money

even if all the lies are revealed. it doesnt matter to them because now they have a action packed biography fit for a book, movie deal where they still remain famous not due to reputation but due to dis-repute
fame and riches does not require good reputation. it just requires knowing how to sell yourself
and con artists know how to sell themselves no matter the story

its not about reputation. its about popularity

more people know about hitler, read books about him,. seen movies and such.
but how many know the name or the history or read or watched movies about... inventing (random choice)the solar panel..
even where its a known fact that solar panels have benefitted the world alot more then hitler.

That's definitely possible, but as time goes that he gets no good results at all, his reputation(assuming there's much left) will surely go down hence the number of potential supporters go down as well.

While your theory sounds reasonable, I am afraid we should not underestimate the way these kind of grifters continue their antics even after declaring themselves to be bankrupted.  We are talking about irrational individuals, after all.

Assuming he ran out of money, he could still try to fool ill-informed people in order to raise more funds so can continue to fuel his life long crusade to nowhere. I am sure you have already read or heard about people who had done so.

He just can't get enough.

Apparently, he's also suing 16 bitcoin developers to force them to modify the protocol and grant him access to two wallets containing 111,000 btc:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/craig-wright-suing-16-bitcoin-developers-5439328
https://www.coindesk.com/business/2023/02/03/craig-wrights-uk-case-against-16-bitcoin-developers-to-go-to-full-trial-report/

Needless to say, that will never happen.

Everyone has some hobby. Abusing the legal system is his.

There's always a limit to everything but this is not to be the case for CSW because he appears to have already had everything in the plan or he has a master strategy and team that's doing the unlawful work with him if not he would have quit long ago.
Let's wait and see if he's going to eventually stop now after losing the court case but I still believe that only jail would make him stop. 

Until him and probably his company goes bankrupt. They invested way too much time and money into this fraudulence that they've pretty much wasted their time and money if they're going to pull out and quit now. Perfect definition of sunk-cost fallacy.

   Craig Wright loses his Fake Bitcoin Copyright Claim at England and Wales High Court Division

I want to see how far a Cangaroo can jump ?  There is always a limit, you can't go beyond that limit.  For Craig it is just nothing  shameful at all because he has hundreds invention patents.  So he does not care.  I think he has done enough, and that enough is enough.

I personally never expect CSW to give up now because if he wanted to give up he would have done that long ago when there was so much pressure on him by Bitcoiners and as the jury said "I refuse permission to appeal. If the Court of Appeal disagrees, then the Claimants will obtain permission to appeal from that Court."
I think he may want to appeal and the only thing that can make him keep quiet is the Australian jail as you said.

There will always be more people to scam.
Even now, people are posting that this is a win for him because well I tried to understand it, but the word salad made my brain hurt.

It's just a numbers game the more he talks, the more people hear it, the more people hear it the more likely he is going to find more people to get money from.

You can't fix stupid

But at least the more places he looses the easier it is for the next people he goes after to show the losses as precedent.

-Dave

Too many. CSW cannot afford to lose face in front of the courts of all places, since he's already been thoroughly humiliated in public circles. The legal courts are the only places that stand an actual chance of believing his claims.

Besides, if he did leave, tax authorities would quickly throw him in an Australian jail.

How many Ls is this guy going to have to take before he finally goes away?

So this means Bitcoin.org has no reason to block the Bitcoin Whitepaper in the UK after this, right?

This actually happened faster than I expected. I was thinking the courtroom battle would take months as CSW would try to keep his crazy case there as long as possible given that he knew it was (somewhat) unlikely for him to retain the copyright after the appeals level.

in short csw claimed he owned the literary rights to the blockheader 'file'

however the judge knew enough about bitcoin to know the data in the blockheader is not a fixed quote nor a file in of itself(80bytes). its a block of data thats now over 1mb in length

even if changing the claim to not mention blockheader(80bytes) as a file. but instead as a chapter(blockhead) of a book(block). it still fails the test of bitcoin(btc) using a quote of copyright literacy. due to bitcoin(btc)not using fixed data/quote


but lets just prove the point about the blockheader format(literacy paragraph/quote)
[version] changed from 1 to 2 in 2012, to 3,4 in 2015
[prev block id] changes every block
[tx merkle] changes every block
[time] changes every block
[difficulty] changes every 2016 block
[nonce] changes every block

thus bitcoin is not using a fixed quote of literacy fixed into every block

a block in 2009 is different to a block in 2013 is different to a block in 2016 is different to a block in 2023..

What are the consequences for filing a fraudulent law suit that wastes the time of the courts? I know CSW has unlimited resources which he can do this multiple times but when is it time to say enough is enough? There should be harsh punishments for law suits that do not have substance behind them. CSW will continue to do this type of bullshit in courts all around the world and he will probably succeed in a few of them.
 
The sad truth is it got to the court room. It should have never been considered legitimate and thrown out before it did.

There's more they have to apply for when cases are brought against people out of jurisdiction so it's fairly rare that it's done in the UK - it seems quite good they said the bit about it being fanciful or of the claim being real as it means the judge didn't consider CSW to have a legitimate claim (I assume it could also have been thrown out due to the difficultly in serving international summons).

On 7th February 2023.
Before The Hon Justice Mellor
Between CSW and Bitcore partnership entitles, Samuel Dobson, Cory Fields, Luke Dash Jr, Blockstream Corporation, Coinbase Inc, and others. Craig Wright has lost a copyright claim against the Bitcoin blockchain in a court in the UK.

Details: This judgment is concerned with a short, discrete but important point about whether copyright subsists in a file format used in the Bitcoin System. Unfortunately, there is a lot of background and context I must set out before I get to the short point in question.

Case Background

The First Claimant, Dr. Wright, claims to be the creator of the Bitcoin System, the person who wrote the original Bitcoin code and the author of the White Paper, a document entitled Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System, which essentially describes the Bitcoin System. He claims he was the person who made the White Paper available to the public on 31 October 2008 under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto.

This action is one of four in the Business & Property Courts involving Dr Wright and there is a common issue in all four actions – what has been called 'the identity issue', namely, whether it was Dr Wright who adopted the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto when announcing his creation of the Bitcoin System or, perhaps slightly inaccurately, whether Dr Wright was or is Satoshi Nakamoto. That issue will be the subject of trial in due course.

The hearing which gave rise to this judgment was concerned with an aspect of Dr Wright's application for permission to serve this claim out of the jurisdiction. Some of the Defendants are in the jurisdiction and have been served already in a conventional way. The majority of the Defendants are outside the jurisdiction. There is clear authority that, in order to grant a litigant permission to serve his claim on someone outside the jurisdiction, the court must be satisfied that there is a serious issue to be tried on the merits of the claim see Altimo Holdings and Investment Ltd v Kyrgyz Mobile Tel Ltd [2011] UKPC 7 at [71], VTB Capital Plc v Nutritek International Corp [2013] UKSC 5 at [164]. This means that the claim must have a real (as opposed to a fanciful) prospect of success. This standard applies to each cause of action asserted in the claim.

Source is the British and Irish Legal Information Institute