Topic: Craig Wright suing 16 Bitcoin developers (Read 337 times)

Old news. He has been suing people since 2019. He's like the Billy Mitchell of the crypto industry. Self-proclaimed founder of the biggest dtore of value on the planet, can't prove it, and sues everyone who rubs him off the wrong way. I wouldn't trust nor be scared of anything this guy puts out. He's basically a joke at this point. For instance, his claims of Bitcoin Devs being able to push codes to pass satoshi ownership to him is just plain stupid. Of course they can possibly do it. But is it democratic, is it something the public would agree? Not really. I don't know how his evidences hold up in court but I doubt anyone ever takes this guy seriously except I guess his mom and his lawyers. Let's move on to bigger things, Craig Wright is old news.

the silly thing about CSW is if he wants to claim btc devs are fiduciaries. then that means CSW by a big multiplier definitively is a fiduciary for bsv...
because he proudly and loudly has announced himself as the owner of BVS and (main prerequisite) money manages funds in and on BSV.. so he is fiduciary of BSV,

and well, much like how influencers with fiduciary responsibility were advertising FTX they are being investigated for possible crimes

CSW does "manage money" for BSV investors and also payment reversals and such so is accepting he is a fiduciary of BSV thus investigations should and could be done on him for his deceptions
(thought as he is not american it wont be the SEC it would be the UK FCA)
(feel free to make a complaint to FCA about CSW and BSV. hint hint)

core devs dont money manage sats.bitcoins.
much like bill gates doesnt money manage banks that use his excel spreadsheets

but CSW has admitted to owning BSV and money management of investments on and within BSV

which is what separates the two

Ooh, scary stuff. Lol. A jury trial in some country means zero fack to the bitcoin end user. Remember, bitcoin is not a single software, bitcoin is an address, and a private key, and a database, good luck to any court in the world for accessing any private key for a certain number of addresses.
No one can "convince" anyone to do anything, this is not a problem for anyone, the one who could lose the most, is Satoshi, he seems not to care.

Imho I don't think any of these matter at all. The only thing that matters is if he can claim copyright for bitcoin's source code - which if granted would set an extremely dangerous precedent when it comes to other open source software. Which is why I am 100% certain it won't happen.

If he can 1) prove in court he is Satoshi with this and 2) then he has the 'proof' to make the Bitcoin Devs make a 'fork' to get all Satoshi's coin 3) Well, BTC as such is 'toast' IMHO at that point. Remember it is a 'Jury' Trial..so if he can 'convince' them of the above it will be 'quite' the sh*tshow then.

Bitcoin community collectively wishes you a good luck!
Big whales, miners, exchanges don't really care what happens, in fact, this could actually be them funding CW for these lawsuits just to discredit core developers.

Satoshi here has more than others to lose, he could lose more than a million BSV. You and other devs could lose your power over core. I don't see any danger to the "community", you are on your own. Though it would be good to know what the community has to lose here.

This pig is different though. It will pull you down in its lair and force you to wrestle with him

One battle should never be overlooked in favor of another though.

Craig Wright (FakeToshi) are actually playing a very tactical game, because he know the judicial system are full of loopholes and he has the money to exploit it. He can poke "Bitcoin" from all sides, because he has the money and he has the time.... and he is not attacking a large corporate entity with unlimited resources and teams of lawyers. (Google / Microsoft / Facebook etc..)

The Bitcoin community are so divided, when we consider what happened during the fork wars.... that he only needs to attack individuals or small groups of people to find one or two loopholes that will give him a foot in the door.  (We need massive collective action to squash him like a bug that he is) 

That's difficult to achieve, 99% of BTC people are anonymous, and we only know them through their pseudonyms, cases like these would require the plaintiff to give up some of their anonymous status, and not many people would want to do that just to waste their time with Faketoshi. And BTC isn't a centralized company or organization with CEO's, Directors, lawyers, etc, so no individual in the network is obliged to use or waste their money on something like this, no matter how rich you think they are.

And i would say rather than waste money on a suit like this without any evidence of the people he has defrauded, it is better the money be donated to help the devs that have been sued by Faketoshi, so they could defend themselves once and for all.

Craig Wright is an attack vector, a virus, a trojan and he will do everything he can to bring bitcoin down. He is no dumb at all. Think about all the people he fucked over and  how he got his wealth, now think about what he can do with the assets he controls now.

He is probably one of the most serious threats bitcoin will ever face.

He stopped attacking the network as BSV already failed. Now he is attacking the devs because without the devs... who knows what would happen to btc...

CSW making a claim which he can just change/edit add to, means he is one step forward in the power balance of evidence and weight of whos side gets a positive verdict right from the start (EG if the defendant doesnt turn up. its default judgement for the claimant)
this means the defendants opposing CSW are left chasing whatever CSW is saying and needing to prove their side rather than disprove his

( v this is not an insult or insinuation. this is a random example of an event made up not a personal attack  its just a colourful example of random situation v)
EG if i said you wear pink dresses and attend gay bars. its then upto you in court to prove you dont
and i can just say i witnessed you in a dress on a thursday of december.. its then upto you to find proof of you not being where i said your were seen that day
(requires you wsting your life trying to find receipts or plane tickets or GPS car data to prove different location at accused time)

its not upto me to prove you were there. as i can make a "from the best of my memory" witness statement as the only evidence i require

 its for you to prove you were not, as the only way to disprove my witness

thats where your lawyer would then at hearing.trial would need to ask for my evidence and ill just hand them a witness statement..
with 3 banker bros as secondary witnesses.
which means you then have to find better evidence to counter 4 witness statements to re-balance the weight of evidence
EG if 4 people were saying you were at this gay bar in a dress. and you cant prove your actual whereabouts. balance of evidence suggests you were in a pink dress in a gay bar
(^ this is not an insult or insinuation. this is a random example of an event made up not a personal attack  its just a colourful example of random situation ^)

this is why being a claimant has more power on its side from the beginning than being a defendant

and thats what CSW relies on.. having you on the defense chasing after all his unproven allegations where you are then having to chase up evidence to disprove him

(i know you probably know all this. but its more of a explainer for the wider readership of the forum)

the ATO drama of 2014-16 ended i believe with the companies involved in syphoning tax money, being wound up/shut down by the ATO (excuse memory im travelling and dont have notes on me.. i think the demorgan/cloudcroft were some brands mentioned as receivers of tax that are now defunct and unprosecutable now)

perjury is not a fight of penalty in civil cases
anyone can lie unless it causes real harm. then to prove that the harm is criminal harm is another level.
it requires someone making a claim and getting the "crown prosecution service"/"US district attorney"(country dependant) to validate its a crime worthy of a charge
..
as for the college/uni forgeries of degrees.
well from what things i did look into years ago i found that he had a team of "ghost writers" write loads of degrees out in his name. where some/most degrees did actually get accredited in his name. and hard to prove CSW didnt personally write them

soo value for money is it worth a university wasting millions investigating and trying to find evidence of ghost writing.. where by even if finding it, they put their own earlier submission and application vetting process into question and ruining the uni's own reputation .. or.. pretend there is not a problem and let the lie lay silent and unresolved

ayres has lots of charges and legal troubles
thats why he is hiding in antigua


code is bitcoins authority(consensus rules WAS the lawbook). just a shame a certain team softened bitcoin law(code) and certain team called themselves the CORE of bitcoin and putting up core team managed moderator doormen to wall-out independence and en-castle the devs into a central point.. which now CSW is attacking

if core was more open gate allowing other brand of nodes to also do proposals and develop onchain without REKT's
without core also having a hierarchy and moderator vetting of who gets Acknowledged.. true openness..
rather than just open source(like a open newspaper, anyone can read the pages, but that does not mean they get to be a newspaper editor/reporter).
if the moderators of all development venues/platforms were independent and not the same few members that had or have core merge privilege. there would not be a central point of attack

this is not me attacking you. this is me just stating the situation. and where the benefits for cores reasoning to en-castle themselves up as a monarchy, vetting the peasants(volunteers), . has bit them in the ass

There isn't any exclusivity about going on the offensive.  Most people just seem to have a personal policy against wrestling with pigs.

There are many potential routes,

Why aren't AU taxpayers demanding that this scammer who stole millions in you tax money and tried to steal tens of millions more isn't arrested?

Why aren't alums of institutions he's sullying with his plagiarized degrees-- to puff up his flaccid credibility-- demanding inquiry?

Why aren't people who lost money on BSV and Wright's rolling iceburgs and $1200  BSV coins demanding blood?

He stole bitcoin from Gavin and Rory Cellan-Jones-- not a ton but I believe 0.11 BTC he got from Gavin is enough to be a felony.

What of the perjury, the forgeries, the false police reports?

His scamming didn't start with Bitcoin why not dig up people from his past and convince them to speak up?

What about Ayre's questionably legal 'entertainment'?  The Canadian publicly traded BSV mining pool that sure looked like it was cooking the books before it did a forced share buypack and made most of its bag holders realize a big loss.

You know what happened to the attorney that was running the case against Wright in florida?  They had a fixer fly the guy to london with promises of investment in his firm, when he got there the intoxicating substances came out. With their target thoroughly inebriated they made a bunch of hidden recordings. They scrambled up the context and used voice masking to disguise the edits.  Published some excerpts and got him fired from a dozen cases and probably ruined his career.   They'd do the same to Bitcoin devs but they're too boring to get entrapped like that, anyone interested in that kind of high flying lifestyle ran off with the Eth heads on their vision quest long ago-- though I think they've tried.

Whats the bitcoin community doing?  Collectively standing around with its dick in its hand getting distracted about some irrelevant jpegs embedded in transactions? Busy fighting with each other rather than addressing an unambiguous enemy of Bitcoin?

There is no authority to step in to protect Bitcoin from bad actors: It's each persons own responsibility.  I'd like to do more but being a plaintiff in his lawsuits is handicapping.

Wright is a con without a fact on his side and hardly two clues to rub together, but he's making it up for with pure aggression.   Hell, in Florida his latest move is firing his opponents attorney and appointing his own!  It's obviously not going to work, but the courts are so limp wristed with him ever since he started claiming to be autistic that it probably won't hurt him to try it.

Someone like Craig Scammer Wright is abusing the flaws in the legal system to create nuisance for everyone, some more than others. And he will continue doing that until the day he is stopped. Unfortunately everyone in front of him has always been mostly in the defensive position defending themselves, bitcoin, etc. instead of being on the offensive (meaning instead of suing his ass and putting him in jail).

Craig Wright belongs in a padded room in a mental facility.

Craig Wright has all the money in the world to do whatever he wants and he chooses to spend all his free time psychotically obsessing over this crazy nonsense? What is he trying to accomplish with all this nonsense?? Having $20 billion isn't enough for him to just enjoy his life? Just what is this fool's malfunction? Maybe he should seek some mental help he can certainly afford it. Call up Dr. Phil or Jerry Springer.

If Mr. Wright is so miserable that he can't find anything better to do with $20 billion then my professional advice for him is to go find the nearest high-rise building in his area, take the elevator to the top floor or roof, then jump off of it. Put yourself out of your misery already and do the world a favor you miserable waste of space.

yes i also agree about the SLAPP part of OELEO post..
but thats more because i infact was telling oeleo about slapps during the hodlnaut case. so it was funny for him to then spin things around like that
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60840676
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61016828

yes CSW does not care win or lose
CSW is playing differnt games.. one to win cases to revruit more silly investors to prolong the other game.. the other game is get more fame to add action and intrige into his biography

win or lose
its just more fame and an additional bulletpoint to add to his dramatic biography that he promises to sale for book deals and movie rights to repay his investors

the more drama and controversy the more compelling his story is and worthy of selling

I tend to agree with o_e_l_e_o's line of thought about the lawsuits, with a bit of a difference being that I think the goal is to stay popular and seem important, not to silence the opposition. There are people who have enough money, time, and joy out of suing people in lawsuits they can't really win, but that would give them publicity, drain the funds of the defendants, and waste everyone's time because that's not what the judicial system is for.
I don't think he wants to win this one, or that he's dumb enough to believe that something can be changed in the protocol to give him access to 'his' money (if it's Bitcoin we're talking about). It's just an ongoing fuss he's making, harassing people and staying in the media this way.

to say what is already said

its not about the highest paid lawyer.. its the best informed lawyer

i seen more cases won based on simply a lawyer that can in an uncomplicated way say something that a judge understands without much jargon. and gets to the matter at hand.
compared to another lawyer that charges top price and just wants to compare the case to 30 other cases in the last 50 years where they waste time and money trying to persuade the judge to side with their side due to all these verdict precedents of the past

take for instance CSW latest court. where his team instead of teaching the judge about blockheader files. CSW side wanted to use case history of other technologies used in the past that the verdict found in favour of.

whereby (however) the judge knew enough about the layout of a blockheader to know CSW crap was just crap

you cant say a network continually uses a (literacy quote(paragraph)) thus breaching copyright.. if each block has a different (literacy quote paragraph) data in it

the judge knows the versionbits of a block changed a few times over the years the prev has id changes every block, the time changes every block. the difficulty every 2016 blocks and the merkle  tree hash and nonce every block

and that reading a block there is just binary data. which even converting to hex or alpha numeric are not fixed characters/words/paragraph's.. each block is different

no where in the blockchain does one block look like another block
when looking at the data, not only is it different per block. there is no symbol. break that forces the binary data to be certain thing

so while the judge was asking about the block data that was supposedly under copy right. CSW lawyer(solicitor) was wasting time talking about case law of SAS institute

thus they lost because they were not proving a point about the current case material.. nor CSW proof of ownership

I am starting to think he has some sort of mental illness and all these lawsuits are a cry for help. Not that he is going to get any sympathy from me one way or another.

But there are people like that. Who go around pretending to be someone great, just so that others pay them money/attention. Megalomania is the illness, I believe. Craig Wrong obviously will never be able to get any real power over Bitcoin or the Bitcoin Core developers. At this point all he is doing is annoying people. But even that negative attention is attention. And I believe he enjoys it.

so lets intimidate him with the same tactics, just start drawing up class action lawsuits claiming that craig has defrauded x of x  amount of money. There is literally no ethical boundary in doing so and I am SURE one of you OG bitcoiners has enough money to fight him. so if one of you held your coins and gives a fuck maybe you will start fighting that retard.

Have you not heard of SLAPP lawsuits? The whole point of them is to make the defendant rack up high costs, even in cases where the claimant knows they aren't going to win.

It is incredibly naive to say the devs know more about bitcoin than CSW, so it will be easy for them to win. I'm sure they can hand their legal team pages and pages of hard evidence of CSW's lies, forgeries, technical incompetence, and so on, but the legal team will still be charging hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars an hour to go through it all to generate a winning case, not to mention the trial itself can drag out over several weeks. Legal costs, even for such a case where the opposing side is clearly and provably wrong, can still mount to millions of dollars.

Except often it is. A side which is clearly wrong (CSW) will have a harder time defending itself, but a side which is clearly wrong with a multi-million dollar legal team can easily beat someone who is right with no funding. And even if/when the devs win, CSW doesn't care about winning. He cares about intimidating people with these frivolous lawsuits and the cost of defending them.