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May 04, 2016, 07:31:37 PM
#48

That is a jumbled analysis which doesn't explain well the situation.

I already explained it more clearly:

Remember that Craig Wright had obtained funding for and was running a the largest Supercomputer in Australia. So what Craig has ostensibly done is he is used supercomputer resources to find the inverse of a hash function and then used one of Satoshi old transactions to pretend he has the private key:

The implication is that either Craig Wright has stumbled upon an infinitesimally rare occurrence of an SHA256 collision, or that he had used the signature from block 258 to reverse engineer a hash (the first shown in his blog demonstration) and hoped that nobody would notice. ycombinator user JoukeH noticed.

And with his access to a supercomputer, it is plausible he was able to reverse the hash in order to find a text that matched the signature that was already on the blockchain. Without that explanation, then he must have the private key! You seem to not understand the technology.  Roll Eyes

Let me unpack that more for n00bs. The point is that every Bitcoin signature signs the hash (of a hash) of the transaction. And so if someone can create two transactions that have the same hash, then one can use the same signature for both, i.e. no need to have the private key to generate a new signature.

What Craig did was reuse an existing signature from the block chain which is attributed to Satoshi, and supplied it as the signature for a new transactions. Specifically the new transaction is some text written by Sartre but the key point is that normally it should impossible to find a new set of data which can generate the same hash, because of the preimage resistance security property of the SHA256 cryptographic hash function.

Re-read my post, you didn't seem to understand it. Craig has not said he is Satoshi. Find a quote where he said that. You won't. He has always said it was his colleague.

Listen to the first few minutes of the BBC interview

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36191165

"You're going to show me that Satoshi is you?"

Craig - "yes"

Remember Craig is a lawyer. Remember how Bill Clinton explained in court what the meaning of 'is' is.

Craig has consistently claimed he was backing "the persona behind Satoshi" and was part of a group involved with Satoshi, so the above statement is consistent with that, without him actually being the man who developed the code of Bitcoin with his own fingers. The interviewer did not ask Craig "are you going to prove you are the man who wrote the code of Bitcoin?" which obviously can't be proved nor disproved by any signature since Satoshi did not sign the code of Bitcoin.



Is Satoshi after all of Blockstream?

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I have had no communication with Mr Wright at all, let alone signed anything. I understand that there is some information sheet Wright is giving reporters that specifically attacks me, however!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hs2ca/can_all_core_developers_confirm_they_havent/



Hey dufus - why don't you look at the BBC article itself: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36168863

It says: "Australian entrepreneur Craig Wright has publicly identified himself as Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto."

Where did they get the information from - they got it from Craig Wright - still going to say he hasn't identified himself as being Satoshi?

You are quoting what a reporter has said, not what Craig has said. I said find a quote where Craig has claimed his is the man who wrote the code for Bitcoin. You will never find that.

Butthurt idiot. Bye.

I see you locked your thread again. You are an emotional basketcase.

I am replying to every topic where my post is relevant. I am not the one who created so many duplicate topics.

It isn't relevant and it is just spamming (you could start your own topic of course).

And if he was saying that he just knew Satoshi and is not Satoshi then why does Gavin come out this "meeting" saying that he is Satoshi (surely he would  have told Gavin it was his friend and not him).

You are just butthurt.

It is very relevant.

Craig has played Gavin. He knows Gavin needs support for his preferences for the block scaling debate.

Butthurt by what exactly?

(perhaps due to seeing your same post spammed in every topic?)

Don't pretend you've forgotten when you closed the technical thread where we were debating and told me in PM that you never wanted to talk to me again.

I don't have time for your melodrama. Bye.



It's increasingly obvious that despite not being able to present actual cryptographic proof Wright is putting a lot of effort into obfuscation and trying to sway the public opinion, whether it's for his business interests or something else.

You do not seem to understand the math. Either Craig broke SHA256 or he has Satoshi's private key.

Also by getting core Bitcoin devs and their tribe to claim that the proof Craig provided is not a proof, he has revealed them as being disingenuous. Very clever political game theory he has concocted.

Craig has astutely accomplished his goal, as only 42% of Bitcoiners conclude he can't be Satoshi. And when and if Craig signs coins from an early block of Bitcoin, the level of confusion will increase. Craig is playing a political game theory.

I think bringing in a dead person into this is just a scapegoat by Craig Wright to confuse spectators. If this is true, why would he pretend being Satoshi by signing a fake message? Until Craig comes up with this extraordinary proof he says, I refuse to believe anything that came from him.

Refusing to believe is not the same as proving he is not. Craig is winning the political game theory. He is a clever lawyer mofo.


One theory that is being floated on Reddit runs like this:

Kleiman is Satoshi, and had the keys to the ~1 million bitcoins. He dies, and his USB stick/computer/whatever went to a relative, who doesn't realize what he is holding. Wright knew Kleiman and knew he was Satoshi. So he invents this crazy story about being Satoshi, but that he can't spend the coins because they are all in a trust that was held by Kleiman.

So now Wright comes public claiming to be Satoshi - and sets himself up to launch a lawsuit against Kleiman's relative to get "his" bitcoins back. If Wright pulls this off, he gains the fabled treasure of 1 million bitcoins off Kleiman's estate.

Thoughts pro and con?



I just came up with another theory though...we might be missing the forest for the trees. Much of what CW has said has proven sketchy, or even downright lies (claiming multiple fake phd's for instance). We do know one thing that's incontrovertible: CW was very interested in high performance computing / supercomputing. Think about that for a minute.

Now what if Kleiman, being the typical computer geek, enjoyed the intellectual challenge of creating the code but had little interest in testing...and asked his friend CW to help test Bitcoin by mining. It's very possible that CW could own Block 1, and even if not, it's still possible that a significant part of Satoshi's stash...actually doesn't belong to Satoshi. What if most/all the coins we thought were Satoshi's were actually CW's?

It's also possible that Kleiman wrote the first version of the Bitcoin code, and that CW took over testing, bug fixing, and future development. Kleiman could have written the code, while CW could have been the "Satoshi" that communicated extensively with Gavin and others...

I think that CSW stumbled upon Bitcoin circa 2013 (late 2012 at the earliest) and started concocting a narrative to fit his long con. Stumbling upon the death of David Kleiman, a person who CSW co-wrote with, Craig saw that the pieces of Dave's life fit nicely in what's known about Satoshi. It was just a matter of creating docs to make it look like he and Dave were partners of sorts which I've demonstrated he's done.
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May 04, 2016, 04:17:39 AM
#47
No - what Craig did was grab an existing signature used by Satoshi and pretend he had created it to sign a document by Sartre (which is fraud and even Gavin is not sure what on earth to make of that).

And he *is* claiming to be Satoshi (which is why he asked Gavin to come and *verify* his claim).

Also - why are you posting the exact same thing in multiple topics?

Re-read my post, you didn't seem to understand it. Craig has not said he is Satoshi. Find a quote where he said that. You won't. He has always said it was his colleague.

And with his access to a supercomputer, it is plausible he was able to reverse the hash in order to find a text that matched the signature that was already on the blockchain. Without that explanation, then he must have the private key! You seem to not understand the technology.  Roll Eyes

I am replying to every topic where my post is relevant. I am not the one who created so many duplicate topics.

I am replying to every topic where my post is relevant. I am not the one who created so many duplicate topics.

It isn't relevant and it is just spamming (you could start your own topic of course).

And if he was saying that he just knew Satoshi and is not Satoshi then why does Gavin come out this "meeting" saying that he is Satoshi (surely he would  have told Gavin it was his friend and not him).

You are just butthurt.

It is very relevant.

Craig has played Gavin. He knows Gavin needs support for his preferences for the block scaling debate.
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May 04, 2016, 04:10:02 AM
#46
Hmm this actually makes sense now because Craig Wright mentioned that some people have helped him with the development of Bitcoin so if Dave Kleiman was the lead developer it should be outed to the public. Craig is trying to keep it a secret or he is trying to get all the credit for himself. Whatever it is I hope we will know the truth soo enough.
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May 04, 2016, 03:59:21 AM
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Craig "Satoshi" Wright said he was going to move them

hahah this guy is so funny lol. He doesn't need to move any coin to prove it, just sign the fcking message if he has the prive keys

Something is weird. He provided a message and a signature, but there's nothing in the message to indicate that he signed it himself, or when it was signed. It could have been signed months or years ago and there's no way to prove otherwise.

To understand what is really going on, you need to read carefully what Craig Wright has always said and continues to reiterate:

In his initial blog post, Wright noted that “Satoshi is dead... but this is only the beginning.” He also said that he would follow up with a more detailed mathematical explanation for the revelation. Now, the world will likely have to wait for “the coming days”—however long that may be—for more clues.

If I sign Craig Wright, it is not the same as if I sign Craig Wright, Satoshi.

I think this is true, but in my heart I wish it wasn’t.

Since those early days, after distancing myself from the public persona that was Satoshi,

Satoshi is dead.

But this is only the beginning.

You need to remember that Craig Wright has never claimed he is Satoshi Nakamoto. Instead, he has claimed that his former colleague (who died) was Satoshi. He claims he was backing his colleague's the development of Bitcoin.

This Australian Says He and His Dead Friend Invented Bitcoin



David Kleiman, Craig Wright's friend more likely Satoshi Nakamoto

OK so this might get a little meandering but I keep finding tidbits of David Kleiman's life that makes him a far more likely candidate for Satoshi than Wright. So here are some in no specific order.

Remember that Craig Wright had obtained funding for and was running a the largest Supercomputer in Australia. So what Craig has ostensibly done is he is used supercomputer resources to find the inverse of a hash function and then used one of Satoshi old transactions to pretend he has the private key:

The implication is that either Craig Wright has stumbled upon an infinitesimally rare occurrence of an SHA256 collision, or that he had used the signature from block 258 to reverse engineer a hash (the first shown in his blog demonstration) and hoped that nobody would notice. ycombinator user JoukeH noticed.

Realize that he has probably promised to endorse Andresen's block chain scaling preferences and thus probably why Gavin wants him to be Satoshi:

Andresen’s only attempt at an explanation for Wright’s bizarre behavior, he says, is an ambivalence about definitively revealing himself after so many years in hiding. “I think the most likely explanation is that … he really doesn’t want to take on the mantle of being the inventor of Bitcoin,” says Andresen, who notes that his own credibility is at stake, too. “Maybe he wants things to be really weird and unclear, which would be bad for me.”

That uncertainty, Andresen says, seemed to be evident in Wright’s manner at the time of their demonstration. Andresen describes Wright as seeming “sad” and “overwhelmed” by the decision to come forward. “His voice was breaking.

Remember that after his death, David Kleiman's family recovered his USB flash drive and gave it to Craig Wright. Thus likely Craig Wright may have an unpublished transaction but not the actual private key. So he may be about to fool the world into thinking he is Satoshi, or making some proof that he was the man behind the man who was the real Satoshi.
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May 03, 2016, 02:31:39 AM
#44
He is doing it to get attention, or to intentionally fool the mainstream media, so that they can demonize bitcoin further.

He might be working with the mainstream media just to demonize bitcoin further and to spread lies and crap.

That guy deserves 0 attention, however all threads here are talking about him,


good thing that this thread isn´t and that you aren´t.  Wink
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May 02, 2016, 11:47:49 PM
#43
Satoshi's public key
http://forum.bitcoin.org/Satoshi_Nakamoto.asc

pub  1024D/5EC948A1 2008-10-30 Satoshi Nakamoto <[email protected]>
   Fingerprint=DE4E FCA3 E1AB 9E41 CE96  CECB 18C0 9E86 5EC9 48A1

https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=satoshin%40gmx.com&op=index&fingerprint=on
https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&fingerprint=on&search=0x18C09E865EC948A1

This brings into question the scope of Gavin's crypto understanding.
Reminds me of the 2014 Jeff "hashes do not match" Garzik moment.

Until Wright can shift around one of Satoshi’s initial bitcoins, I will remain skeptical of him and Gavin "sigs match" Andresen.
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May 02, 2016, 09:39:05 PM
#42
he is not satoshi.

all he done was convert an old existing input script into base64..
he did not sign anything nor did he prove anything.

you too can be satoshi (by doing what Craig wright did)

go to
https://blockchain.info/tx/828ef3b079f9c23829c56fe86e85b4a69d9e06e5b54ea597eef5fb3ffef509fe?show_adv=true

copy the input script
3045022100c12a7d54972f26d14cb311339b5122f8c187417dde1e8efb6841f55c34220ae002206 6632c5cd4161efa3a2837764eee9eb84975dd54c2de2865e9752585c53e7cce01

google "hex to base64"
paste in the input script
convert

MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VT C3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4=
and now you have what appears to be a signature that is linked to satoshi funds.. and you never even needed a private key do to it

ask youself did you use a public key or private key. did it involve any sha or ECDSA process at all.. NO

i advise everyone to go to the media, contact section and message them of the fraud that craig wright is.

the only reason he is doing this is because he scammed some people into thinking he owns 1million bitcoins which he doesnt, but that blind ignorance caused those people to give him collateral based on the lie.. and now they are calling in the debt.. (australian government handedhim millions of australian dollars.)

he fled australia to avoid immediate prosecution and is now trying to use the media as proof of ownership. without ever actually proving ownership

so please will everyone convert hex to base64 all the inputs of all satoshi funds to prove we are all satoshi..

craig wright deserves to be locked up because its not just identity fraud. the main thing is the millions of fiat he has scammed out of australian government and private investors using that id fraud, he has no bitcoin funds from 2009.

Thank you for a clear summary franky, because I saw on TV that he "signed a message using an early Bitcoin block", or very similar. It sounded pretty convincing at the time.
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May 02, 2016, 09:34:11 PM
#41
Can you sign a message with a bitcoin address that satoshi owned? I can't really believe that since one would have to check past transactions from that address to prevent being scammed by a wrong signature.

Is it a risk at all?

No, that's not what Craig Wright did.  He didn't actually sign anything.  He just converted an old input to base64 to make it look like a signature.  That's why no one (except the so-called "journalists") is buying it.

It's going big, I even watched it on Bloomberg. They said bitcoin creator was finally found.  Grin Grin Grin
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May 02, 2016, 09:33:29 PM
#40
trying to lure the real satoshi maybe?  or to push his big blocks agenda to further centralize bitcoin? ( gavin seems desperate to get a block increase so i wouldnt be surprised if he went as far to get his point accross)

The big blocks agenda will be done because the big exchangers like Coinbase, their twin brother Bitstamp, BTC China, OK Coin, Circle, Xapo, Bitfinex want big blocks Smiley  what are you going to do if the biggest exchangers will fork to "big blocks" BTC? "Smiley

will you not use it anymore. come on! be realistic Smiley

These exchanges have been wanting bigger blocks for more than a year so i ask why are they not forking? what are they waiting for? A controversial hard fork would very likely undermine confidence in the whole system and send the price back to 2 digits and these companies are well aware of that. So no it's not as simple as you think. come on! be realistic Smiley

They will this year for sure. they have to prepare everything and they come with an announcement over night:)

the users will have no choice and they will stick with the new e-currency created Smiley

I don't think you understand the economics behind bitcoin or maybe you just a troll

i think you have horse glasses. what economy are you talking about? the black market one?  BTC is full, FULL of shits. I think you are just a tinny "speculator" and nothing more. the REAL base of BTC is the black market not "speculators"

The BTC is based on HYIPs, fake forex and many derivates from these Smiley... without them, BTC would worth pennies. Smiley

 

Learn to read english my friend. You are off topic and make very little sense.
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May 02, 2016, 09:15:36 PM
#39
The fact that the British Biased Corporation was involved should make every one suspicious that a government agency is somehow involved here.

In this day of social media, it doesn't matter which agency is involved. Everything is going to be analyzed threadbare.  Smiley
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May 02, 2016, 08:22:08 PM
#38
The fact that the British Biased Corporation was involved should make every one suspicious that a government agency is somehow involved here.
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May 02, 2016, 08:09:11 PM
#37
trying to lure the real satoshi maybe?  or to push his big blocks agenda to further centralize bitcoin? ( gavin seems desperate to get a block increase so i wouldnt be surprised if he went as far to get his point accross)

The big blocks agenda will be done because the big exchangers like Coinbase, their twin brother Bitstamp, BTC China, OK Coin, Circle, Xapo, Bitfinex want big blocks Smiley  what are you going to do if the biggest exchangers will fork to "big blocks" BTC? "Smiley

will you not use it anymore. come on! be realistic Smiley

These exchanges have been wanting bigger blocks for more than a year so i ask why are they not forking? what are they waiting for? A controversial hard fork would very likely undermine confidence in the whole system and send the price back to 2 digits and these companies are well aware of that. So no it's not as simple as you think. come on! be realistic Smiley

They will this year for sure. they have to prepare everything and they come with an announcement over night:)

the users will have no choice and they will stick with the new e-currency created Smiley

I don't think you understand the economics behind bitcoin or maybe you just a troll

i think you have horse glasses. what economy are you talking about? the black market one?  BTC is full, FULL of shits. I think you are just a tinny "speculator" and nothing more. the REAL base of BTC is the black market not "speculators"

The BTC is based on HYIPs, fake forex and many derivates from these Smiley... without them, BTC would worth pennies. Smiley

 
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May 02, 2016, 07:23:44 PM
#36
Australia was recently (within the last 2 years) investigating a ransomware case involving the movement of a lot of Bitcoins.

During the investigation, Mr. Wright was questioned as to where his ability to spend large amounts of Bitcoin originated. 

Wright claimed to have been one of the earliest miners. 

This would be unexpected.  Not impossible, because it was always possible for someone to join in mining at any time.  But unexpected.  There was no communication from him to anyone involved as far as I know, and I don't think he's on any of the mail lists where Satoshi discussed it.

And now it's a bit later and the claims are larger... Maybe he's doubling down on a challenge to the authenticity of his story?

Time to cook some popcorn, I guess. 
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May 02, 2016, 07:11:25 PM
#35
On Dec 8, 2015 Craig wright was publicly outed as a hoaxer/scammer, 'Gavin-Bloatcoin-Andresen' has ether gone full retard or is colluding with Wright but for what I couldn't say.
Wright was/is getting paid for Bitcoins he dose not own held in a trust  that were used as collateral to take out loans that he used to invest in a company.  He has a financial reason to convice people he is SN.
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May 02, 2016, 07:10:34 PM
#34
trying to lure the real satoshi maybe?  or to push his big blocks agenda to further centralize bitcoin? ( gavin seems desperate to get a block increase so i wouldnt be surprised if he went as far to get his point accross)

The big blocks agenda will be done because the big exchangers like Coinbase, their twin brother Bitstamp, BTC China, OK Coin, Circle, Xapo, Bitfinex want big blocks Smiley  what are you going to do if the biggest exchangers will fork to "big blocks" BTC? "Smiley

will you not use it anymore. come on! be realistic Smiley

These exchanges have been wanting bigger blocks for more than a year so i ask why are they not forking? what are they waiting for? A controversial hard fork would very likely undermine confidence in the whole system and send the price back to 2 digits and these companies are well aware of that. So no it's not as simple as you think. come on! be realistic Smiley

They will this year for sure. they have to prepare everything and they come with an announcement over night:)

the users will have no choice and they will stick with the new e-currency created Smiley

I don't think you understand the economics behind bitcoin or maybe you just a troll
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May 02, 2016, 07:00:28 PM
#33
trying to lure the real satoshi maybe?  or to push his big blocks agenda to further centralize bitcoin? ( gavin seems desperate to get a block increase so i wouldnt be surprised if he went as far to get his point accross)

The big blocks agenda will be done because the big exchangers like Coinbase, their twin brother Bitstamp, BTC China, OK Coin, Circle, Xapo, Bitfinex want big blocks Smiley  what are you going to do if the biggest exchangers will fork to "big blocks" BTC? "Smiley

will you not use it anymore. come on! be realistic Smiley

These exchanges have been wanting bigger blocks for more than a year so i ask why are they not forking? what are they waiting for? A controversial hard fork would very likely undermine confidence in the whole system and send the price back to 2 digits and these companies are well aware of that. So no it's not as simple as you think. come on! be realistic Smiley

They will this year for sure. they have to prepare everything and they come with an announcement over night:)

the users will have no choice and they will stick with the new e-currency created Smiley
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May 02, 2016, 06:02:39 PM
#32
One freaky, and completely unfounded, hypothesis is that Wright is Satoshi, and was pressured by government to have experts prove he was satoshi (for tax reasons), but is willingly playing stupid publicly and releasing a blatantly foolish post to keep his anonymity and let the world think he's not Satoshi.

Yes I know, I have a very creative mind Smiley
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May 02, 2016, 05:55:48 PM
#31
trying to lure the real satoshi maybe?  or to push his big blocks agenda to further centralize bitcoin? ( gavin seems desperate to get a block increase so i wouldnt be surprised if he went as far to get his point accross)

The big blocks agenda will be done because the big exchangers like Coinbase, their twin brother Bitstamp, BTC China, OK Coin, Circle, Xapo, Bitfinex want big blocks Smiley  what are you going to do if the biggest exchangers will fork to "big blocks" BTC? "Smiley

will you not use it anymore. come on! be realistic Smiley

These exchanges have been wanting bigger blocks for more than a year so i ask why are they not forking? what are they waiting for? A controversial hard fork would very likely undermine confidence in the whole system and send the price back to 2 digits and these companies are well aware of that. So no it's not as simple as you think. come on! be realistic Smiley
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May 02, 2016, 05:25:21 PM
#30
It almost seems like he unfortunately wanted to commit suicide , not physically but mentally tho
dunno why any1 want to do this but crack is a hell of a drug and crack wright knows that

~CfA~
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May 02, 2016, 05:18:36 PM
#29
There are all kind of mentioned reasons and why he did this, I really do not know what I have to believe honestly.
I think he maybe is but it would be a bit weird for the other hand if he is...
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