Topic: Craig Wright's Latest Escapade -- Give me the bitcoins I stole from Mt. Gox! (Read 625 times)

You’ve gotta give the guy credit. He’s trying every possible legal Avenue to try and get a free lunch off of Bitcoin. So far it’s proven to be a money losing mission, but he continues to push forward. He’s probably doing Bitcoin a favor to be honest. Better sooner than later that these types of attack vectors get closed and it’s easier to defend against an obvious fraud than someone who might have had a better plan.

Are you taking drugs or do you have mental issues? If you have voices inside your head telling you these fantasy stories, you might need professional help.
You don´t even know the meaning of AGD and certainly noone has given this account to me, but I have signed up at bitcointalk.org in 2013.

Bitcoin Blockchain was not invented and developed by the earlier 12 bitcoin forum associate members. Craig cannot sue them. Craig Wright did not have any connection to Bitcoin invention or its implementation, he has acquired BSV with deception from an unknown entity and used it to create a fork  actually BSV is not Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision but Bitcoin "S" Version. "S" is the First letter of the Inventor's official first name.

Now, it I am, myself, I invented the Bitcoin and implemented the blockchain technology known as Bitcoin  Blockchain. Those Bitcoin address he is claiming his is a FBS orchestrated by one and few MF56 dreedy Bitcoin Gremlins.

Those developers can just say to the court that it is not them who created Bitcoin blockchain but Satoshi Nakamoto. So, the court can ask Satoshi Nakamoto to appear in the Court and I will be delighted to attend the Court hearing of CSW's fake court case against 12 earlier Bitcoin Forum members.

There after, I will provide the complete proof of evidence to confess his forgery and get back to the Bitcoin Drama stage to play a new role as Laughing Stock.

But if Craig confess his sin and ask forgiveness, I will forgive him because I am the most compassionate Lord Bitcoin Moses Grand Father of Bitcoin Jesus. Then, I help Craig to attain some thing better for his life to enjoy life better than being greedy Bitcoin gremlin.

There is a secret message here in this post, Borth party need third eyes to open for decipher the "message".

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I got it but made the joke but you did not understand it because you are just one of my Roboto name "AGD".

Search and you will know that I gave you that AGD account to you.

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This raises an interesting question. Why should people hold BSV? If Craig gets BSV somehow extracted from those coins he'll dump it on the market to pay his legal fees and all that. We all know he's broke or nearly broke and probably wouldn't have money to start new court cases if not for his millionaire friends.

Holding BSV is very risky when you know that the guy who runs the show is emotionally unstable and out of money.

This guy is stupid, if it's established that the coins are his then every prosecutor chasing mt gox is going to sue his ass off to recover the stolen money from him.

Then again, I wonder if he will also claim swiveled FTX addresses belong to him as well.

This guy has the guts to remain in news and every year or two he do something that bring him back in the limelight. Now he is claiming that his computer was illegally hacked and he lost the private keys. Believe or not its the crypto that's giving importance to this fraudulent person every now and then. Just ignore him and he will die his own death but the crypto community is not willing to ignore him.

You didn´t get it.
If you were a client of Mt Gox and you were a victim of the Mt Gox "steal", you are looking for the one who stole your money. Now someone (CSW) pops up and says he has now the money which was stolen at Mt. Gox, you could indeed sue CSW at your local court to hand out the privkeys to given address (which he can´t, but hey...)

I think that the outcome of this trial is moot in the end.

In the very unlikely scenario of the court ordering some developer somewhere to create a version of Bitcoin that allows Craig Wright to transfer bitcoins out of those addresses, there is no possibility that anyone will be required to use that version and no possibility that anyone or any exchange will be required to accept those coins.

I believe that the judge will ultimately acknowledge the futility, but you never know.

The bigger danger is that every win increases his legitimacy in the eyes of the law. Luckily, determinations by judges previous trials are good ammunition against him, but what is needed is a huge loss where the judge states unequivocally that CSW is a liar and a fraud.

claiming that devs are fiduciary rather than code project managers has other implications

core devs need to have that fine line where they develop and maintain the code but they dont assign accounts, register customers, offer refunds or interest or compensation or mediate financial dispute nor offer finance advice

much like bill gates didnt offer financial advice when he made the first version of excel/access even though excel was then used to log financial data and customer accounts

Yes, that's one of the best arguments they have. The court just needs to be convinced that it would actually harm the other users. Wright's lawyers will argue that it wouldn't, and Core's lawyers will argue that it would. It's hard to predict what the court will decide, but they'll definitely consider the question seriously.

I can't fathom that this guy is continually wasting his precious years on hopeless causes and claims. It's been so many years since he began his claims of being Satoshi which were rendered almost meaningless. Now he is trying something that is technically impossible? How are people supposed to just "grab" private keys even in the event that they were for some reason legally obliged to?

Couldn't the "fiduciary duties" argument be turned on its head, arguing that giving the coins to Faketoshi would go against all the others users of Bitcoin's interests, meaning that the devs have a duty to protect the interest of the many over a single person?

easy debate id make is
CSW claims that BSV is "his bitcoin" in CSW's opinion. thus he is fighting to gain access to BSV coins as thats "his bitcoin" which he invented and is his property
which he has always and including now had full control of.. BSV has its own developer team maintaining his BSV. and has the ledger entries of the 1fee's on his ledger, which he can edit as he pleases. the devs cited in this case have nothing to do with the ledger CSW claims as "the bitcoin"/his bitcoin, only CSW developer team does, so CSW's bsv developers can at their own discretion change their own code to however they like. case closed, no need to bother any other devs.

Here is another tip, Bitcoin developer have no contractual relationship with the users, bitcoin software is open source, that's why there is no terms of service included, because the software it self is not a service, therefore the developers have no obligations to users. Furthermore they work as volunteers on the software and could at any moment quit their voluntary duty as a developer, with that being said, only some idiot you call judge/ court, would deem such claim lawful.
Bitcoin developers could actually sue CW if he manages to call them to the court, I'd suggest him to consider this fact before embarrassing himself any more.  

Edit to include this for the lawyers and judges if they missed it.
Source: https://opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php

CW just won’t stop will he, the lengths this guy goes to have no limits. As said the reports are that he wants to fork bitcoin so he can get the 100,000+ early bitcoin’s that he says are his 

The scary thing is that this guy has a huge army of people who say they believe he is Satoshi on Twitter & probably elsewhere too. Can people be that dumb or are they just BSV investors turning a blind eye to his nonsense because they want their bags pumped.

Surely nobody sane believes his claims?

Thanks for the tip!

This is my last response to the matter as its getting pretty boring.


This is the crux of your argument, that a bunch of things "may" happen in Craig's favor, however unlikely. This has been his marketing approach for years and not once has it ever worked out for him or for BSV. No reason to believe it will this time.

Therefore, I personally don't think anybody needs to do anything, except for Craig, who needs to continue convincing his money men they didn't make a terrible investment (spoiler alert: they did).

Pro tip: don't write consecutive posts in a row. It looks like you're just trying to bump the topic to the top of the board and your posts might get deleted. Instead, if you have a new thought, just append it to your last post if nobody responded to it.

I hope you're right. But he's not going to lose if the Core devs are flippant and ignore the need to convince the courts.

This is a time to be serious and not engage in wishful thinking. This is a threat.

You don't like that. I understand. I don't like it either. You want to go back to sleep. Okay.

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Yes, and those legal uncertainties, when fleshed out, may "realistically" result in the devs being required to include code that moves bitcoins without a signature.


I'm afraid not. This is fearful thinking, not wishful thinking. This is a threat. It needs to be stopped. Ignoring it is wishful thinking.


It's not him that he's claiming is the owner. It's Tulip. That's a corporation. Corporations acquire property through paperwork, not through bitcoin transactions. What he has to show the courts is paperwork, and they'll be satisfied. He'll show documents stating that ownership of that address and the funds at it have been legally transferred to Tulip.

The ownership is uncontested. Nobody else claims to own the bitcoins at that address. The court will see that the ownership is uncontested and Wright has receipts. Those are strong enough grounds to accept that Wright is the owner. If you contend that someone else owns them, you are free to present your evidence to the court.

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How will courts and governments view Wright's case when considering their own interests?

If Wright wins, courts and governments will get control of bitcoin. If he loses, they won't (yet).

Do they want him to win or do they want him to lose?

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You cut out a couple hundred words between the paragraph you quoted and the judges saying "I agree."

They are not agreeing to the line of thinking you quoted, they are agreeing with the conclusion, which says this:

"The conclusion is not that there is a fiduciary duty in law in the circumstances alleged by Tulip, only that the case advanced raises a serious issue to be tried. The time to decide on the duty in this case is once the facts are established...

If the decentralised governance of bitcoin really is a myth, then in my judgment there is much to be said for the submission that bitcoin developers, while acting as developers, owe fiduciary duties to the true owners of that property."

The only thing being agreed upon is that Tulip Trust deserves an appeal because there are legal uncertainties that have yet to be fleshed out.

Your claim about property law commanding bitcoin devs to modify their software isn't based in any sort of tangible reality that currently exists today. It is based on wishful thinking that everything will unfold the way you believe it will.

Part of this also includes Craig proving to the court that he is the real owner of the 1Feex... coins, which he cannot possibly do.

NO NO AND NO

There are 1000s and 1000s of cases (probably 100s of 1000s) of where foreign courts have ordered things and every court in every other county said nope not going to happen.
There is not a criminal case, and more importantly there is no international agreement of even how to handle crypto. Is it physical property (painting), is it a financial asset (bond) is it physical currency (gold coin) and so on. Stop being a BSV shill / believer and go back to your hole in the ground.

CW is just a scammer, and every time anybody posts thing supporting a scammer like him you are supporting him.

This will grind it's way through the courts and he will loose.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

-Dave