Topic: Crazy idea about exiting the system. (Read 1786 times)

Nothing like a little anti Semitic posting to get things going...
 

LMAO OP there is a 0% chance the jews would let a pocket of people do this, 0%.  They would launch a false flag attack near you, blame it on you and come to your village and kill/rape and torture everyone.

Well forget the desert and buy yourself and old oil rig and make a sea nation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

Would be easier to defend a platform again pirates than your solo desert dwelling again invasion.

Thanks for the links, facinating. Micronations are an interesting concept, except from Nauru, I don't know of many of them that are successful. The people at Nauru has even attempted to buy new land since they're looking to relocate some or all of their people.


Well, of course, that's some of the beauty of it. Live or die free. Like in the old times. But of course, when you come down with a bad case of some easily curable medical condition, I assume that a modern hospital is not a bad idea. A self sustained community would need functions for most types of services, and again those services would be dependent on buying stuff from the system. There are already numerous places in the world were you do not pay tax. Somalia is an interesting place, but with the amount of violence, any white man would stick out like a sore thumb.

While it might not be possible to exit the system completely, living somewhere peaceful and being self sufficient to a degree I think would make for more happiness.


Off grid as in having your own electricity and your own water facilities does not mean that you're necessarily disconnected from the internet, but naturally those who do not care of the internet, you never hear of unless somebody documents it somehow. There was a series with a man building his own cabin in the woods of Alaska that was quite popular on youtube.

The amount of work involved should not be dismissed, as many has failed being to optimistic about their chances of self-reliance. Also this is an interesting intellectual pursuit, to learn and thinker with the idea. Everything starts with an idea

It is somewhat scary though the amount of poision that humans has poured into the ecosystem polluting even fish and animals in remote areas. Perhaps you need to be a chemist to god off grid and be-self reliant lest you kill yourself from feeding on poisoned fish.

Do you know this country? it has yet established

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland

http://liberland.org/en/main/

I like your utopia OP, but where to put it? You say no taxes, but who owns the land and under what jurisdiction? Places without government are some of the scariest places I have ever been. No government would mean anyone who wanted to could just come and take it all. There is always authority and power. It may not be a government but someone is in control of every inch of this planet. Makes me wish I was a caveman. 
 

This "crazy system" already has a name, it's called "living off the grid" and people do it all over the world.  You don't hear about them, though, because get this, they are off the grid!

Well, it's not a black and white issue - mostly it's about reducing the amount of red tape that needs to be dealt with.


Those of you interested in these issues might like to check out this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_State_of_Forvik

Also doing some googling on the case will bring up some interesting videos and interviews.

Basically, the guy doing this has claimed a very small island in Shetland, and then he also claims that Shetland is not a part of Scotland, and that no officials actually can thus prove that Shetland is a part of the UK legally speaking, quite an interesting case with a man litterally putting his life out there (he has had to be rescued many times at sea going in a dodgy boat in high seas without any security backups).

He's quite determined it seems. Here's his homepage:

http://www.forvik.com/

Perhaps even bitcoin would be a good fit for him.

He refuses to pay any taxes to the UK, and he's been arrested several times. Interesting chap. He is also minting his own coin, perhaps bitcoin would be something for him, I am sure many bitcoiners would share his views on "the system".

There's no way to fully scape the system. You'll eventually need help of some sort (most likely medical) that is provided by the so called system, therefore as soon as you step in asking for help you are on there again.

Also, you may consider exiting the system without physically leaving it. That's what I'm doing, only going to my desert escape a few days per year.

If you want to know more about settling down in the desert, you may look at Dubai. There were huge money involved, but this is a successful example.

While exiting the system is a great idea, it's also smart to be realistic about it. As it demands a lot of skills, resources, work and money.

Anyone thinking about doing it should do lots of research, and take small steps in that regard. I find some other forums much more mature and discussing these matters in a more serious manner.

I think many people have a desire for independency and being self sufficient, if not 100%,  at least be prepared in the event of a blackout or freak weather. In the event of a break down in society, for example, if there is a sudden shortage of oil, infra structure will break down quite quickly (no new stock to stores), as stores run out of supplies. In crowded areas, it could get ugly, fast.

I'm a bit surprised this topic did not spur more serious discussion, as I'm pretty sure there are many of you that look into alternative ways of living than the established system provides.

Water is probably the only thing that you don't have to worry about, the ice melting at the top flows down the mountain, you'd still have to know where to look though. Worst case you still got plenty of ice around (provided you got a small burner). Up to a certain height, you can still find small isolated settlements with maybe 3-8 wooden huts but they are very rare. I had a map with me to help me locate certain things.
Best thing about the mountains? I don't think it is even possible to describe the feeling. The peace is pretty pretty intense, it felt like I was completely detached from humanity 

That sounds very interesting. What was the best thing about the mountains? Was it the freedom, the nature, the wind, the peace and quiet? What about water, did you get that from springs and rivers?

Sure I had money with me, it wouldn't have been possible otherwise. I climbed up to 4400m but already at 2500 - 3000 m, you can barely grow anything and as you go up to 4000m there is practically no life around, no grass or animals, it's just rocks, dust, ice and wind  If it was possible to be self-sufficient up there, like live off the land, I would've lost myself in the wilderness and not come back lol. I actually overstayed my visa by more than a year  Those mountains are out of this world.

Just a practical question: How did you get food on your long trek? Did you bring money and bought it along, did you bring it all with your, or did you harvest from nature? Which aspects of the trek was most appealing to you?

As for intellectual input, a period without much of it is nice, but eventually, If you lived in a cabin in the woods, at one point, you would miss to read, communicate and learn.

Thing about intellectual input is that I'm not hungry for it at all. I play a LOT of chess and video games at home and I always have my earphones on listening to music whenever I go out but I don't miss those at all or even think about them when I'm out in nature. It's almost like my mind go into hibernation or something lol. I did some pretty long treks in the Himalayas when I was backpacking across SE Asia and I never once missed city comfort. I walked for 1 week up the mountain, in the middle of nowhere by myself, just me, a rucksack with bare necessities and a sleeping bag  That's my best life experience so far. Seriously wish I could've stayed there forever lol.

Don't know if you've seen this one but here's a nice long documentary about a couple living alone in the middle of nowhere in Alaska. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq0rZn8HFmQ

Yes, I have been looking into that, and it's an interesting thought. I wonder if you'd get dead tired of the island after a while though, if it's not big enough. Also if you need a boat, you need money for fuel, unless it is solar powered. That would be a big expense post. You could of course have a rowing boat of sorts.

I have looked at many documentaries about people living remotely. Since I never tried it, I don't know if it is for me, but I'd like to try. One possibility is to try it part time without making a 100% commitment. What I do know is that I like nature a lot.

As for nagging, true women can be quite the naggers, some are worse than others though. If you want it entirely without noise, you have to go by yourself and perhaps a few animals. A dog always does what you want, so no nagging there.


I think it is possible to combine it. For instance, if you have a cabin in the mountains, you could go hunting or fishing, and when you get home, you could kick back and watch some movie on your solar powered computer. It would not be a problem to bring with you 10000 film titles to the cabin. Would take some time to get through all of it. Also, if there's cell coverage, you'd have access to call people and to use the internet. I don't know how everything would feel without being able to communicate with other people at all. Even communicating with other people on the internet stimulates your intellect. It is quite possible to be an outdoors-kind-of-guy and at the same time thinker with electronics, write programs and communicate with others on the internet.

While cutting everything off and go "natural and pure" is a nice thought. I think I'd miss the intellectual input, also there are some products from the modern world I would not mind to have, both in the edible section and for hardware and other tools.

What I would really enjoy to avoid is Nepotism, Corruption, Pollution, Noise and other negative things that goes with the modern society of today.

There was a whole series I watched earlier on youtube with people who lived remote lives in places were most people would not live. I can't seem to find it again though. I imagine I would need to learn how to survive and not go cold turkey immediately.

If you are married, this is an impossibilty


Best bet is to buy a small island (assuming you had the money), that way you would have no worries about violating local/national laws etc, you could do what the hell you like.

Nah I couldn't do this the way you describe. If I'm gonna use niceties from modern society, like internet and other tech, it'll have to be 100% and I'd have to be in a city. Your idea is one I've fantasized about a lot but not with any tech. I simply can't be in nature (like long term) with laptops, mobile phones etc, I want the experience to be as pure as possible. Also I'd much rather be on a desert island as far as possible from the mainland and I would definitely not want to be part of a group. The ideal scenario would be that I have my girl with me and that's it  

EDIT - equally ideal would be one where I am alone on the island (not ever with friends or family though)

Not everybody lives in the US. Karl Lentz seems like an interesting case. From the brief time I looked into him, I read that he lived out of a container and used all his money to get back his child, a process that took 6 years. The state took his child because it had downs syndrome.

The way I see it, the court system enrich lawyers and the one with the most resources usually wins, unless you're unusually sharp and well educated and know how to fight the system. However, such cases can take years, and which sane person would use most of his productive years on such issues? To me it appears very stressfull, and to what benefit.

I "won" over a large organization once, but the stress and work leading up to that decision, and then the "payout" in the end, could not at all justify the fight done. Next time the chance for such a fight occurs, I will walk away and save myself the time. It is not worth it.

In my view, "the system" is better avoided as much as possible. The post of Lorenzo was interesting, who has not thought along his lines..