Topic: Crimes of signatures campaign affects forum? (Read 745 times)

I don't think bitcointalk will be a waste of any government's time. Just think for more than 10 years, is there any news of any country government questioning the bitcointalk forum from then to the future? Isn't there nothing, Because literally if you look at the bitcointalk platform as a newbie you will not really be attracted, because it looks boring, that's what will immediately come to mind. This forum is for people who love to read and learn about bitcoin, cryptocurrency and others related to it.

Then it's not like Facebook, Youtube, Instagram and others that you can earn easily. Also, participating in the signatures campaign is still your choice because no one will dictate to you here. And what I like here is that everyone is anonymous.

I can see that what to discuss In this thread has finish and people are forcing themselves to discuss, reading almost the page response from different persons,  their suggestions is becoming similar, so repeating what another person has said is like spamming the thread, if I noticed such similar discussions again I will lock the thread because since someone has made such opinion in same thread that means making same opinion is of no use.

This text much important for this forum users to recognize that Bitcoin's existence is separate from the Bitcointalk forum. When government investigations into signature campaigns on Bitcointalk may have consequences, they won't directly impact the existence of Bitcoin. The existence of Bitcoin is not dependent on the Bitcointalk forum or its management. Even if the forum faces obstructions or legal issues due to the actions of its management, Bitcoin as a decentralized digital currency will continue to exist and function independently. Its operation is not tied to any specific platform or forum.

The recent login issue on Bitcointalk is separate from these larger considerations.

Asking questions to learn is always encouraged, so no need to worry about any negative response.

I think reputation of managers tend to provide a sense of security for potential participants so that they no longer bother checking the background of the project behind the advertised campaign. Confirming that it is one of the legit projects or potentially scam or exit scam can only be done with due diligence on their background both on forums and on google. Some information about them will surely be found instead of relying only on the manager's reputation and payout rate.

I know there are some projects that seem legitimate at first but only act up after they've been going on for a few weeks. It will also not be fully detected even if we do research. Finally things like extra consideration before joining are also important, so always increase your vigilance and be safe for yourself and others.

Do not expect that there will be a time that the whole cryptocurrency industry and the forum will become scam free.
No, it will never happen. Cryptocurrency has his nature surrounded by scam. So all we need to do is to be very vigilant and continue to burst the scammers. If the scammers come today with one method, you should not allow them to use same method to scam for the second day. We should always be proactive, that is the only way to mitigate scam as they cannot totally be eradicated in the cryptocurrency industry
As some genuine team members are brainstorming how to make good projects for the betterment of the community. The scammers are also brainstorming how to rip people of their had earned money, that is just the reality and we must accept it.

Honestly I felt so bad with the recent campaign that ended to be a scam, However we learn everyday from our past and present mistakes and experiences and adjust with the way handle things in the future, But in a situation like this and as time goes on I guess proper measures might be in place to scrutinize this companies coming to advise here in the forum in order to get rid of a possible scam projects coming here to advertise in the future that may paint the forum's name so bad.

That's not possible because the forum is a platform for bitcoin discussion and any member that is found with such bad behavioral conduct is tagged red and that's why you discover some campaigns or members account tagged if they partake in any form of scam, also you can see that all the forum staff were asked not to join any form of mixing campaign on the forum in other not to make them a promoter of something that government will term as scam against the forum and since the forum as well stated it clear not to be responsible for any scam associated offenses coming from any member, the best it can do was to tag such individual as well red.


Who are the management board of we are to say, we have Theymos the admin, forum staffs and moderators and i don't think anything of such can come out through their corner because they have been trusted by most of the reputable members of the community as well and we can also attest to their fare just in handling things, to me they are reliable and upto task.


There was first the creation of bitcoin then the idea came about engaging people to discuss about bitcoin across the world on a single platform and bitcointalk.org comes in place, since the website of this forum and everything about the ownership is within the control of the admin and cobra that monitors the site, we are not to be afraid of the hosting challenge to the web address because it's bee controlled by the two aforementioned persons, which means no government can regulate, attack or lockdown the forum and bitcoin remains and same is the forum.

Not true.

If they could summon Facebook, Twitter CEOs to the Congress, they can do the same with theymos. In the past, theymos received a subpoena after the Silk Road event. I believe that we can not exclude anything and what theymos did weeks ago, after the Chipmixer seizure is his serious preventive solution to avoid something he does not want for him and this forum.

However, I believe it is not a most serious thing he can do as his preventive management.

DPR Subpoena (you might be surprised). 

The government can decided to do whatever they like and indirectly they can even commit crime without any jurisdiction supporting it. Bitcointalk had been a safe place for people from different regions to come and seek whatever information they are interested in. If anything happens to this forum which had been a backbone on learning and making enquiry about what Bitcoin really entails then it could affects the Crypto market and the price of Bitcoin. We just hope that something like that do not happen because it is going to be disappointing with effect that can cause fud making people to sell there coins.

I observed that it affects the member, reading people's responses. Meaning that every internet advertiser should be held responsible, if any project they promote commits any crime. It'll reduce scam projects on the internet, but how can people predict the future. A business that started up fine and legit can turn a scam business later. Members here frown at promoting any crime business, any found guilty will come to a hurt. Or, reported, if they don't stop promoting the project and exposed to everyone's notice that such a project is scam. Since we are not direct employees of the projects promoted here, no relationship exist between us, the company won't be affected if you commit a crime too.

Well, the platform itself is not promoting anything. This is a public forum for everyone to discuss various things. People come from all over the world to talk about their interests. Moreover, Companies want to show their existence in the forum and get some traffic. There was a time when companies could buy Ad space on this forum. Forum ad space always had a warning when it was rented to companies.


This warning still exists even though the forum no longer sells its ad space. This is a global website. A Global website cannot maintain the rules of every country. I don't think the government has anything to do with the forum. Signature Campaigns promote their business here. People are just selling their signature space. That's it. A lot of media advertising illegal things. The forum is doing nothing compared to them. Even I believe the forum has nothing to do with the Signature campaigns or a 3rd party company.

I would like to say that BitcoinTalk forum is just a discussion place where all kinds of discussions about Bitcoin happen. Bitcoin is just a powerful network and is ruling the entire world. The unique platform has black shading on it. If you come to the discussion of signature then it is only a responsibility because there are many rules to follow when you participate in a campaign. The Forum cannot be held responsible for actions taken by members of the campaign. Forum members are prohibited from illegal activity.

Government authorities can investigate the forum if the owner or a member is directly linked to a crime and there is evidence of that crime on bitcointalk, a post from an online forum can be used as evidence in court as seen in the Silk Road case , however I don’t think the negative actions of companies that have an ANN thread or signature campaign on the forum will cause seizure. It cannot even dent the name of the forum because Bitcointalk members are quick to address any suspicious activity from companies promoting their services here.

The merit system was not created to reduce scammers, it was designed to reduce spam. I’m surprised you do not know scam is not moderated on the forum.

In bitcointalk illegal advertising and promotion is prohibited so there is no way that government or any organization can investigate here. Also, most of the members maintain privacy because bitcoin is not legalized in so many countries and if bitcoin is not banned in some countries but also there are restrictions for using or holding bitcoin. So it is better to not disclose your privacy on this forum.


It was only for a time, I was also trying to log into my account that time. Maybe it was for the server and there is nothing to worry about when you face this, just try again after an hour or so.

You don't have to be worry, 1xbit accusations and crimes can't bring any negative impacts to the forum, already they're not welcomed here as their campaign are always been blacklisted and promoters tagged whenever they launched their campaign on the forum. Those tags are a sign that the community doesn't welcome their advertisment here but since this is a public forum and signature or bounties aren't been regulated here, there's nothing the forum can do to stop them from advertising unless they break the forum rules.

If 1xbit is found guilty of encouraging their participants to be spamming the forum through their high weekly quota then they can be blocked from advertising on the forum as similar event has happened in the past with an exchange called yobit was found guilty of their signature participants spamming and they got their ads blocked from showing on the forum. There are far more worse projects that have advertised on the forum and turn out to be a scam yet it didn't affect the forum and that's because the forum has no direct involvement with those project.

They will have to deal with section 260 first and Bitcointalk has already been made aware of their compliant to authorities being under U.S. jurisdiction, they will have to send a letter of notification first and Bitcointalk will respond appropriately, you don't block right away unless there is a pending case, there should be democracy in how they implement rules.

We already have that in place but there are still scammers roaming around because scams are not moderated here


Chipmixer and FTX are big fishes but they caught it, there should be court orders before they take action.

There are lot of Defense statement here - What if Bitcointalk will be blocked by the FBI Because of those Crimes from Signature Campaign, or What if no one is Reporting Directly to the FBI because they Don't want to get Traced or something so they just Left the Issue goes on.?

I think the Merit System is the best Idea that the Owner of Bitcointalk Created to Lessen the Scammers who joins the campaign.

when it Comes to a syndicate something or any Related Crime Issue. FBI don't just go for Big Fish Directly they hunt small Fish First. If you get what I mean. 

Op your concerns and fears should not be a thing of worry to you. You see, this platform is an open space for all to and every one is entitled to his or her own opinion. Do not forget that this platform is an anonymous platform but up right and strict with good reputation and if there be any case of investigation, the company or organizations are the known entities to be held responsible as a result of their act because they already have an identity well known with government. We  wearing their signature has nothing to bother us because it is assume they must have fulfilled all the necessary requirements by the government and the forum to advertise their their products so if anything happens, hey would be held responsible because they re the once known by the government and not the  campaign promoters.

Just as it is with the chipmixer, the government went after the organization and not the promoters because the entity which is the organization are the ones responsible for that act as the promoters are not known.

Your analysis are comforting, in the sense that government will likely not invest their resources to go after campaign participants. Bitcointalk being an unanimous forum where different ideologists and personalities meet and interact about bitcoin and other related financial discussions, makes it more difficult for any government to interfere.

Maybe what you say that sometimes the host server of bitcointalk is like maintenance, is that what you mean? Actually that seems normal to me, one day Bitcointalk was like that because I thought it was under maintenance and there was nothing to worry about.

        It took a while before that happened again, but only for one day. Then it is unlikely that the government will interfere with this forum, the government of each country will not waste it. After all, this forum is really only for those who are devoted and want to delve deeper into bitcoin and cryptocurrency. It seems to people that the bible is the best book in the whole world, then here for us this bitcointalk is like the bible of bitcoin and crypto fanatics.

Maybe you are correct ✅ that the feds do not give a shit about this.

*sigh*

Mixers are not criminal services, in the same way that Bitcointalk is not a criminal service just because it is used by scammers.

Signature campaigns are simply advertisements or marketing, and as you know, an advertisement requires an active public place to advertise their service, so seeing Bitcointalk as a public forum that discusses Bitcoin and crypto-related topics, this is why all these companies that offer some helpful services related to Bitcoin, gambling using some crypto coins, and mixers tend to use this forum as a means of advertising.

I don't believe the forum will be held liable for any illegal acts that may occur if any firm who advertises on the platform commits a crime, because the forum is not responsible for their conduct.

Signature campaigns, even if they were advertising something illegal, are so small in comparison to other crypto crimes that governments have prosecuted that I seriously doubt they're of any concern to government agencies.  But of course in all honesty I don't have a clue what's going to happen in the future or what agency in which government has eyes on, because there are a lot of them and they don't usually broadcast what they're investigating to the world.

So even with all the scrutiny crypto has been under, campaigns probably aren't even a small blip on the radar of anyone in power, and it's not likely worth the resources to go after either campaign participants or project/exchange/whatever owners for running campaigns.

This forum is law-abiding and will not intentionally promote illegal or fraudulent services or firm. I said intentionally because some companies can pretend to be genuine but have criminal intentions. The forum will take action against any company that engages in any fraudulent activities and members and others will always be warned to stay away from these firms.

In this crazy world, nothing is impossible. The government can come up with cooked-up allegations especially if they think the forum is a threat to their selfish agenda. It could be a case of giving a dog a bad name because you want to get rid of it.

I have seen people erroneously link mixers, gambling, or a Bitcoin forum to Bitcoin. They sometimes assume that Bitcoin and some concepts are inseparable. But this is untrue because Bitcoin is an independent concept. Other products are all attachments to Bitcoin and the currency can exit and strive without them. Bitcoin forums, gambling, mixers, and can cease to exist but Bitcoin will continue because it doesn't rely on these services.

Bitcointalk is a public forum where any user can create a topic and any user can manage a campaign. here the forum does not block anything or boost any campaign to get more publicity. so the forum will not be responsible for any illegal activities and will not have any effect on the forum. there are DT members, they give red tag and red flag on any account where illegal activity will be attempted. which means that the owner of that account is a criminal. Forums don't do much more than that. because this is not a company base and the forum is not here to do any business. hence the forum shall not be responsible in any way for any legal or illegal activities

I don't understand why the OP seems so concerned about some mixer services being promoted via signature campaigns. Laws differ from country to country, so this discussion will not be finish and come to a conclusion unless the government issues an official regulation on this issue.

Bitcointalk is the best forum for the community to discuss anything, not only about price speculation and investment strategies - but also about project development and more.

So far none, there are scam platforms openly promoting here in Bitcointalk, but they are considered third party based on section 260, it's different if the forum is accepting money for advertisement this is openly endorsing a platform.


Yes, it is possible based on their privacy, this could be the reason why they restrict staff from promoting mixers.
https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php

Yes definitely Bitcoin is not dependent on Bitcointalk but Bitcointalk is dependent on Bitcoin, this is why this forum is called Bitcointalk.

If you are fearing the US or a European country then chill! The staff is now not promoting any mixer campaign. The owner of this forum has never used his/her signature space and further, the owner has stopped selling advertisement space.

My point is that why do you think there would be a crime happening when promoting a project using the signature campaign? Did you even try to find out which other forums pay you weekly for advertising a signature?

I bet you have not and that is the reason you created this topic. Do understand you have now become not an ideal candidate for a Signature Campaign. Although I am not a BM, I think some of them would take this topic into consideration and believe you as a user who might question them and their campaign when selected.

If your ultimate goal is to just be active and create engaging topics then I think this topic is justified. Considering your activities in the African board I think it was foolish to question the Signature campaign and associate it with criminal activities.

Best of Luck!!

This is not about the signature campaign per se, but the project posted in this forum. If the project broke the US laws, I'm pretty sure the thread would the removed and the user data might be shared with third party.

Ross Ulbricht aka Silk Road CEO was a big case before and Ross Ulbricht use this forum to promote his project. Currently Ross Ulbricht is still in jail, if the US regulator is taking serious, this forum should get shut down at that time. But this forum is still exist, this mean an illegal project is still not enough to get shut down, maybe until Bitcoin is completely illegal in US.

+1

I just wanted to mention Ross Ulbricht when I read this thread.

Cloudflare's server problems are not related at all to the business activities of users on this forum, and actually we are used to it.
If the access failure is due to government interference, then as is the case in many seizures of stopped service sites, there is usually a special warning indicating they are taking action with the forum. As far as such a warning (afaik) has never happened, I wouldn't worry too much about signature campaign activities.

First of all, I wish to commend you on this insightful question you just asked, and I will like to give you a brief example. You could all remember there was a signature campaign known as "ChipMixer", and months later we got to noticed it has been seized by the U.S government and under investigation. So did the investigation affect the forum? The answer is "NO", or did its investigation affect it's forum campaign participants? The answer is also "NO".
So in summary @ O.P, that answers your question that an investigation of a signature campaign can never affect the activities of the forum.

For me, I think that can only be possible only if the forum domain is under the host of a government regulated firm, but if the forum has an independent host, then that is likely not going to be possible..
But I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong on this.

The forum was the official place for the discussion of the development of Bitcoin, so it has an important role to play in the continue use of Bitcoin

I thought I was the only one who noticed the domain "error" display few days ago when trying to login the forum, but never knew it was general, and as such that calls for concern, and I hope Sir Theymos needs to do something about it so that such doesn't occur anymore. Thanks

Get your facts straight because to begin with, signatures are not subjects that can commit crimes. If you don't express yourself well you are not helping your case.

I don't know why you have so much insistence on something that was already discussed at the time: mixers are not banned today, therefore to wear the advertising of a mixer or any other service that is not banned today is not illegal.

The order of theymos to the staff seems more a move of extreme caution than anything else, because the moment the mixers or any other service that is advertised in signature campaigns in the forum is declared illegal in the USA especially, the signatures of that service will be banned from the forum.

I think the forum could be punished for breaking laws. Laws differ from place to place.

No saying what could happen to it in the future. Also chipmixer was a big payer of bounties here. No telling if the forum faces issues down the road on this.

Signature campaigns are considered a third party and the forum is not collaborating with any of these, in fact, Bitcointalk stops advertising through bidding so the forum is not endorsing anything even their staff are being restricted from promoting certain platforms so how can the forum be affected, we all know that 1xbit is free to launch a campaign here but they are not charged or accused of collaboration.
Because the forum maintains its policy of openness and not moderating platforms except drugs and selling of arms.

This is no big deal

For example Google advertises so many scams and they are even bigger than this forum, so why aren't they investigated and arrest for taking money from scammers and facilitating scam by advertising them?

Why would FBI cherry pick Bitcointalk and leave out Google, Reddit, Facebook?

Ooh, did i forget to tell you that 1xbet, a sister scam company to 1xbit also appears in La Liga and Seria A display boards?

I have no fear for anything, I asked a question because of my worries of government seizing a website with some reasons and I have none ideas of FBI investigating the forum, I just asked my question on a neutral ground because of what I thought of crime and government intervention, I have be cleared of signaturesm campaign not to contribute an act that will leads of seizing this website, since forum no crime of signatures campaign can cause problem to bitcointalk I have no worries, because I notice a signature campaign that all the participants is on red tag and the name is 1xbit, won't this signature campaign bring a negative name for bitcointalk because of their several accusations which has not be clarify?  Can't government investigate forum because of their act??

You are not the only who experienced that issues. It went offline for:


And according to Theymos:


So it has nothing to do with signature campaigns in this community.

I'm not really sure about your questions about government investigation, but let me cite our dear administrator again:

I believe your concern also has to do with the closure of the longest running campaign (chipmixer) on the forum and the investigation ongoing on the issues of money laundering and maybe any other fraudulent activities the FBI might charge them with in the future. You shouldn't  be worried as I think the forum is safe from any charges the FBI is giving to chipmixer or any campaign in the future. Signature aren't endorsed by the forum therefore they can't be held responsibility for the crimes of the project advertising here. The only time they forum would be questions is when they were advertising this projects personally through the ad slots that the forum offers that has now been stopped by theymos.

Bitcointallk is not different from reddit and other online forum as they're just an online platform that projects can be advertised on. Also without theymos this forum can function as we have those that can take over management (if I'm not mistaking). If the management commits a crime they can be called for questioning but that doesn't mean the forum will die. If the website dormin name was seized for some reason, we can always migrate to a new dormin (I believe that has been done before but not because the previous dormin was seized) and all accounts can be teleported as well. The forum is saved from project advertising on the forum because the forum doesn't moderate them but if the authorities ask the forum to stop giving those particular project a platform to advertise, they have to obey.

As they mention already forum is just a community and is open for promotion, if any signature campaign found violating any law of their country it won't affect the forum for any reason rather Mod can only be warned not to promote such project anymore.
For instance, just take a real life as a case study; let say you go to market to sell clothes or whatever you wants to sell knowing that that place is a market to sell your goods and if happens that what you took to the market doesn't traded in that line you take it to, the authority may asked you to moved it out from that line to the normal place where it is meant to be. They do not locked the market or even ban people from buying and selling in that market. So it's here, nothing affects forum.

Criminal activities can occur in any context, including within signature campaigns. If a signature campaign is found to involve criminal behavior that could attract government intervention, it is reasonable to assume that the forum administrators would not allow such a campaign to continue. If the criminal activity is discovered after individuals have already participated in the campaign, they may not be held liable if they were unaware of the illegal actions taking place.

But all this is purely hypothetical and based on my assumptions. As far as I know, there have not been any specific cases of signature campaigns involving criminal activities on this forum.

Take mixer services as an example. Mixer services, in and of themselves, are not inherently illegal. However, there have been instances where some mixer services have been investigated and accused of engaging in illegal activities, such as the Chipmixer case. And yet, no sanctions or interventions came from the governing agencies because the CM advertised through signature campaigns.

So you want me to believe that no crime of signature campaign that can affects the forum, and if action should be taken if a signatures campaign commit crime that will bring intervention of government the action will go directly to the organisers of that particular signatures campaign, that means that forum is autonomous and everyone is promoting its business will bear the consequences when issue's or when theirs complications of distrust and investigations.

Maybe, which is why theymos asked the forum moderators and staff not to promote mixers.


Has this ever happened? Has any campaign been stopped in the forum because it is violating any country's law?

I guess you're making reference to the not too distant event with CM campaign and its sad end. To a great extent I do believe the abrupt manner that mixer site was shutdown showed the dimension and seriousness with which government could take things to if it meant it. I'm not a tech person but I do believe shutting down of this forum could also be possible but that could only be if there's incriminating evidence against it. CM fell out with the law and its advertisement ended here immediately. Except government can sufficiently prove that BTT was an active partner in the whole saga, I don't think it would want to go that way seizing its domain.

Oh, really? I didn't even think of that dimension when I got a lot of calls and offline messages in that regard from members on this while BTT was down a few days ago. If I did, I would've played a fast one on those worrying callers by pranking them that the site had been yanked off by government 🤪

Bitcointalk is basically just a forum platform where people discuss about all things crypto. It doesn't endorse any particular businesses, and therefore cannot be held responsible for any shady business going down.

Now, when it comes to signature campaigns, the responsibility falls on the organizers and the members themselves. The forum cannot be held accountable for the actions and choices made by individuals participating in these campaigns and who choose to wear certain signatures. But, there are also rules in place, right? Members are not allowed to promote illegal activities, and that applies to signatures too.

So, the bottom line is that everyone has to take personal responsibility. Bitcointalk provides a platform, but it is up to the users to make sure they are not doing things that could get them into trouble or engage in any activities that may have legal implications.

Section 230 will be applied with Bitcointalk.

What is Section 230 and why should I care about it?
EU Digital Services Act and US Section 230: Decision-making processes and expected consequences

Staffs are required to not promote criminal services.

First of all, Advertisement of illegal item is not allowed in the forum so there’s no the government will bust the forum since it doesn’t promote illegal goods. In an event that a service that being promoted by forum member turns out to be violating the law, The campaign stop immediately which means we didn’t allow here to promote service that already committed the crime not before the crime is committed.


Yes, Government can seize the forum if the management commit a crime based on what country jurisdiction the forum is under and what kind of crime. Any website online can be seize by the government if they have the warrant for it. But forum moderator is not dumb to do that. Theymos is very professional for a long time on running the forum smoothly.


You just need to take a break. Theymos create a poll recently about how to fix the broken image in the forum due to imgur issue. The timing of maintenance is in-line with his poll so probably he is just doing some solution on the broken image problem. There’s nothing to worry about and make sure to be updated on meta to prevent this kind of worrying.

I don't think any form of signature campaign can actually affect the forum. This is because the forum is an open area where spam is not moderated. You as an individual have the right to wear whatever you want under your signature space. If by any chance what you advertise under your signature space turns out to be illegal and attracts the government's attention, that's between you and the project. To be on the safe side, all you should do is take off the signature code.

Even if an investigation is to be made, it won't come directly to the forum, but it might have an individual attack on you, who was advertising the project in the first place, because those government officials will not agree that you don't know anything about the project. (But I doubt that can even happen.)

I believe one of the reasons why the forum stopped showing off ads is because of this kind of risk and to be on the safer side, not to directly advertise any project that might turn out to give the forum a bad name.



I never believed it before, until the CM issue, when I came across a discussion where one of the respected members made mention of such things as "that we should be prepared and we might actually see a similar welcome news here on the forum one day."

I would say it's possible, but that will only be if the government has enough reason to do that, although I know these days the SEC doesn't actually need reasons to do something; they just create one.

So I believe there are fewer things to worry about; the forum is organic and is not a direct threat to any government.

Bitcointalk is just a public forum where people gather around from crypto community and discuss things, the forum created by Satoshi who is also the founder of bitcointalk but there is no direct link between bitcoins and bitcointalk.

So even if the forum is no longer the Bitcoin will continue to exist until someone use it for transaction and miner exist to confirm the block.

AFAIK, signature campaign will not affect the bitcointalk existence in anyway because bitcointalk doesn't gain any financial benefit by allowing signature however in future if more of signature campaigns becomes affect the experience of forum then we can expect signature free forum too.

I have taught of this seriously and I began to have a biased concern to bitcointalk if any signatures campaigns in bitcointalk can affects the existence of bitcointalk if they commit a crime that leads to government investigations. Secondly do we believe that bitcointalk can  be obstructed by government if their is a noticeable crime by the management? From my understanding it seems to me that bitcoin existence is different from the bitcointalk forum and without the existence of bitcointalk forum bitcoin will continue existing, what's your take on this.
This idea came to me through what happened to the site of bitcointalk few days ago which I couldn't logins my account for sometimes, I wasn't happy when the incident occur. Please I asked this few questions because I want to know what I don't know, and if my question is not ideal please don't crucify me.