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hero member
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January 23, 2015, 01:48:39 AM
#89
You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.
Does that include NSLs?
Or is that number confidential?
hero member
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January 20, 2015, 08:47:05 AM
#88

Is that legit? I don't know why someone who was working on the case would leak such information to this coinfire site.

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Coin Fire has obtained over 1,000 pages of an investigation file from a confirmed Commission employee that also has a bombshell draft of a potential enforcement litigation action against the company. The documents given to Coin Fire editors contain several hundred references to deleted forum posts on the company owned-and-operated Hashtalk forums, emails from potential victims of securities fraud, news stories from various websites, numerous social media postings, a sealed subpoena demanding the IPs associated with certain accounts on a well-known site where Garza and potential sock puppets have operated.

If true does that mean theymos will be recieving another subpoena?

Pics of the 1000 page investigation file or it didn't happen.

.cf is a free domain, owned by the same guys as .tk: http://www.dot.cf/en/index.html?lang=en how are we supposed to take their word for it if they can't even afford a domain?
global moderator
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January 20, 2015, 04:06:44 AM
#87
would also doubt that receiving a subpoena is something that is unusual for theymos considering how much commerce takes place here and how many scams there are.

From the op of this very thread:

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Though I'm sure it'll be the first of many.
sr. member
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January 20, 2015, 03:26:32 AM
#86
It would probably not be theymos to receive such a subpoena, it would probably be the gaw forums (their hosts ect) to receive it as a lot more of the manipulation apparently took place there then on bitcoin talk (because of their lack of ability to censor information).

It already mentioned their own forum earlier in the quote but this seems to br another additional one which I can only assume is here.
It is possible that it is here. However there are a lot of other "forums" that could be much more easily manipulated then there (reddit). I would also doubt that receiving a subpoena is something that is unusual for theymos considering how much commerce takes place here and how many scams there are
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January 20, 2015, 03:21:38 AM
#85
It would probably not be theymos to receive such a subpoena, it would probably be the gaw forums (their hosts ect) to receive it as a lot more of the manipulation apparently took place there then on bitcoin talk (because of their lack of ability to censor information).

It already mentioned their own forum earlier in the quote but this seems to br another additional one which I can only assume is here.
sr. member
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January 20, 2015, 03:16:26 AM
#84

Is that legit? I don't know why someone who was working on the case would leak such information to this coinfire site.

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Coin Fire has obtained over 1,000 pages of an investigation file from a confirmed Commission employee that also has a bombshell draft of a potential enforcement litigation action against the company. The documents given to Coin Fire editors contain several hundred references to deleted forum posts on the company owned-and-operated Hashtalk forums, emails from potential victims of securities fraud, news stories from various websites, numerous social media postings, a sealed subpoena demanding the IPs associated with certain accounts on a well-known site where Garza and potential sock puppets have operated.

If true does that mean theymos will be recieving another subpoena?
Who knows if it is legit or not, however it would not be unheard of for someone in the media to receive this kind of leaked information.

It would probably not be theymos to receive such a subpoena, it would probably be the gaw forums (their hosts ect) to receive it as a lot more of the manipulation apparently took place there then on bitcoin talk (because of their lack of ability to censor information).
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January 20, 2015, 03:10:45 AM
#83

Is that legit? I don't know why someone who was working on the case would leak such information to this coinfire site.

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Coin Fire has obtained over 1,000 pages of an investigation file from a confirmed Commission employee that also has a bombshell draft of a potential enforcement litigation action against the company. The documents given to Coin Fire editors contain several hundred references to deleted forum posts on the company owned-and-operated Hashtalk forums, emails from potential victims of securities fraud, news stories from various websites, numerous social media postings, a sealed subpoena demanding the IPs associated with certain accounts on a well-known site where Garza and potential sock puppets have operated.

If true does that mean theymos will be recieving another subpoena?
legendary
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January 19, 2015, 09:57:16 PM
#82
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Actually I was interested that the forum has only recieved one subpoena so far thanks for sharing Theymos
I was expecting at least three this one with Ross
One for Evorhees, and one from Pirateat40

I would mention MP as well but well still banned lol.

Homero Josh Garza is next.

http://qntra.net/2015/01/theymos-claims-josh-garza-is-sending-him-legal-threats-to-have-content-removed/

Payback https://coinfire.cf/2015/01/19/sec-investigation-of-gaw-miners-underway/
legendary
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January 19, 2015, 09:55:21 PM
#81
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Actually I was interested that the forum has only recieved one subpoena so far thanks for sharing Theymos
I was expecting at least three this one with Ross
One for Evorhees, and one from Pirateat40

I would mention MP as well but well still banned lol.

Homero Josh Garza is next.

http://qntra.net/2015/01/theymos-claims-josh-garza-is-sending-him-legal-threats-to-have-content-removed/
legendary
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January 19, 2015, 09:52:55 PM
#80
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Actually I was interested that the forum has only recieved one subpoena so far thanks for sharing Theymos
I was expecting at least three this one with Ross
One for Evorhees, and one from Pirateat40

I would mention MP as well but well still banned lol.

Homero Josh Garza is next.
legendary
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January 19, 2015, 09:46:46 PM
#79
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Actually I was interested that the forum has only recieved one subpoena so far thanks for sharing Theymos
I was expecting at least three this one with Ross
One for Evorhees, and one from Pirateat40

I would mention MP as well but well still banned lol.
legendary
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Merit: 1115
January 18, 2015, 07:21:38 PM
#78
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?

He received a subpoena, he replied to it. What is there to update?

What did the office smell like? What was everyone wearing?

Thats not what a subpoena is... You most often reply in writing against a sworn statement + information.

That's not very exciting I guess...
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
January 18, 2015, 07:19:43 PM
#77
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?

He received a subpoena, he replied to it. What is there to update?

What did the office smell like? What was everyone wearing?

Thats not what a subpoena is... You most often reply in writing against a sworn statement + information.
legendary
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Merit: 1115
January 18, 2015, 06:33:16 PM
#76
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?

He received a subpoena, he replied to it. What is there to update?

What did the office smell like? What was everyone wearing?
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1183
dogiecoin.com
January 18, 2015, 05:57:38 PM
#75
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?

He received a subpoena, he replied to it. What is there to update?
legendary
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Merit: 1049
January 18, 2015, 03:05:39 PM
#74
This is not very surprising/interesting, but I thought I'd mention that I received a subpoena for information related to Ross Ulbricht's alleged forum account altoid. I mostly just compiled some publicly-available information. The only non-public data I had to include were some deleted posts in the heroin store topic that were not written by DPR and probably won't be useful in the case.

You might be surprised to learn that this is the first subpoena I've received for the forum.

Is there any update about what happened here ?
legendary
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December 25, 2014, 10:50:40 PM
#73
If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.
You are right that outright responding would be stupid and no one would win with if theymos gave no response.

If he did not want to provide such information then a better response would have been to fight the subpoena in court. He could argue, among other things that the forum has been hacked a number of times and he cannot provide information they are looking for that he can reasonably testify if accurate
He has no obligation to commit perjury.
The forum was hacked.Theymos can probably speak to the integrity of the posts, PM's ect contained in the forum's DB (and backups) better then I can (as well as how the hacks affected such integrity. I would say there is a good chance that such integrity is not 100% for every post/PM. This is why a good security practice is to get (and verify) a signed PGP (or bitcoin) message from a key that you know belongs to the person you are dealing with in order to authenticate that you are dealing with who you think you are dealing with.

If I was personally in theymos's position (and decided to not fight the subpoena) then I would elect to make a personal appearance instead of sending that form to make a disclosure that the business records are not guaranteed to be authentic as well as the fact that many people have attempted to alter business records
donator
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December 25, 2014, 10:38:52 PM
#72
If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.
You are right that outright responding would be stupid and no one would win with if theymos gave no response.

If he did not want to provide such information then a better response would have been to fight the subpoena in court. He could argue, among other things that the forum has been hacked a number of times and he cannot provide information they are looking for that he can reasonably testify if accurate
He has no obligation to commit perjury.
legendary
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Thug for life!
December 25, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
#71
If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.
You are right that outright responding would be stupid and no one would win with if theymos gave no response.

If he did not want to provide such information then a better response would have been to fight the subpoena in court. He could argue, among other things that the forum has been hacked a number of times and he cannot provide information they are looking for that he can reasonably testify if accurate
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
December 25, 2014, 03:27:17 PM
#70
If he didn't respond and the U.S. atty wanted the material from forum, he'd get it.  Even if it means seizing forum servers to get the data (if the court order was to be ignored).
Not responding makes no sense.  Posts about doing otherwise are likely by underage members of forun who don't yet understand consequences.

Or think its possible to take on the government and win when it comes to internet matters.
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