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Quote from: awakening on May 21, 2013, 10:51:07 AM

GNU/Linux sucks as desktop, and I think is getting worse with the time. I remember using Debian and KDE like 5 or 6 years ago as the main desktop OS. Today ? No way.
It's good for developing/sysadmin/etc using some good wm like i3. But for desktop if you're an average Joe ? No way. Right now I'm using Windows 8 and I wouldn't change it, GNU/Linux just make me very improductive.
Obviously, I have some tools in cygwin, and some distributions in vmware if I need something, but that's like.. 20% of the day ?

My fiance who is a pharmacy student uses Linux just fine. So does my 6 year old sister. It is you expectations you have learned by many years of Windows usage that are holding you back, not Linux. I'm not saying you should change, just acknowledge it is you, not Linux that has a problem. I will say the same for myself. I am unable to be fully productive on a Windows system because it is not what I am used to.

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Quote from: Crypt_Current on May 20, 2013, 04:19:48 PM

The world doesn't ABSOLUTELY NEED linux ...
The world DOES ABSOLUTELY NEED cryptocurrency (like Bitcoin).

Of course it absolutely needs Linux. This very forum for instance is powered by a Linux based web server. Linux dominates servers that power the Internet.

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GNU/Linux sucks as desktop, and I think is getting worse with the time. I remember using Debian and KDE like 5 or 6 years ago as the main desktop OS. Today ? No way.
It's good for developing/sysadmin/etc using some good wm like i3. But for desktop if you're an average Joe ? No way. Right now I'm using Windows 8 and I wouldn't change it, GNU/Linux just make me very improductive.
Obviously, I have some tools in cygwin, and some distributions in vmware if I need something, but that's like.. 20% of the day ?

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Quote from: Francesco on May 21, 2013, 08:17:24 AM

Quote from: Malawi on May 21, 2013, 07:16:33 AM

With linux you have to do a choice, as in either Windows or Linux.

What?
You can install Linux alongside Windows, it takes at most 1 min or so to change from one to the other.
You can run one inside the other inside a VM (some do so, if the office doesn't allow them to install a new OS)
You can even install Ubuntu from inside Windows as a program, with Wubi (or any distro with Unetbootin).
Just because the common people don't know how easy it is doesn't mean it isn't. There is no choice to be made if you don't want to; just as with bitcoins. It's only the difficulty to start using something new and different, not pushed and supported by some huge corporation.

Don't think you get my point. Sure you can switch back and forth, but you really don't wanna do it.

I'we done multiple boot-settings in DOS for different uses(yeah, I'm that old), (not to mention OS/2) and the win/linux boot thingy, but it's basically a bit of a hassle. What you wanna do is install the OS and go. No need to remember different commands and styles of doing stuff. Hardware is cheap and strife is expensive.

BTW: I am doing linux at my small laptop, and will prob use linux if I build a mining rig. But for everyday use I want my familiar programs and the ability to dl and use almost all programs/games I fancy.

With BTC you dl a program and use it - nothing else is changed.

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Quote from: Malawi on May 21, 2013, 07:16:33 AM

With linux you have to do a choice, as in either Windows or Linux.

What?

You can install Linux alongside Windows, it takes at most 1 min or so to change from one to the other.

You can run one inside the other inside a VM (some do so, if the office doesn't allow them to install a new OS)

You can even install Ubuntu from inside Windows as a program, with Wubi (or any distro with Unetbootin).

Just because the common people don't know how easy it is doesn't mean it isn't. There is no choice to be made if you don't want to; just as with bitcoins. It's only the difficulty to start using something new and different, not pushed and supported by some huge corporation.

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Quote from: ColonelCrypto on May 20, 2013, 06:11:26 AM

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

don't mean to be a hater, but i think this kind of attitude is what scares the laymen from geeky stuff like bitcoin and linux

and it may help your blood pressure to assume the GNU part when a person says "linux" unless she specifically says "linux kernel", even if it makes mr. stallman's beard turn ever more grey (with respect RMS).

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With linux you have to do a choice, as in either Windows or Linux.

Most users have one laptop/desktop computer and they want to be able to do the same stuff as their friends.

Myself I'm mainly using Windows as it's what I'm accustomed to and most games are for windows. If more games were ported to Linux I might have gone with that option.

With BTC you don't have the same barrier. You can use BTC under any operating-system and the competition is mainly CC and paypal. When barriers against using BTC goes down, usage will go up. As more and more vendors accept BTC, more and more users will start using it.

I am not one to think that BTC will "overturn goverments and markets", but it might very well overtake paypals position and then some.

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Server and other does not matter, it is a different story. Banks do not need bitcoins between them.
And even if they did adopt the idea, they would just fork a chain they control. As they would do to use it as an embedded hiddel layer in a commercial app. Just like Ripple did, after all. Nothing good for Bitcoin comes from the equivalent of "server" and "embedded" uses.
I was talking about mass direct user adoption, which apparently didn't happen for Linux. I am using numbers from http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp. Being a site for programming enthousiasts, I figure it must be at least double than the real usage. And most importantly, the number is not increasing since 2010. And Android does not count: as someone noticed, what I was really refering to is GNU/Linux, which Android isn't -it falls under the "embedded" category for my purposes; a layer which enables something else. And that in case of cryptos, it would be probably a blockchain premined by Google.

Discolsure: I do not hate Rpple or Ubuntu; in fact, Ubuntu is almost the only operating system I have used in the last years.

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Someone should make a "Criptocoinz [sic] vs. email" thread...
It'd be more like apples versus pears, rather than this apples versus oranges stuff

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Remember the old saying: "Nobody got fired for choosing Microsoft"?

You know what? I'm just not sure if that's true any more.

The free software movement is happening a lot slower than I anticipated, but there's no doubt that it has made huge advances.

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In the domestic scheme yes Linux is not widely used but enterprise has a large presence. The same will go for bitcoin,

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Quote from: Crypt_Current on May 20, 2013, 05:21:37 PM

Quote from: BitcoinAshley on May 20, 2013, 04:56:04 PM

Quote from: Crypt_Current on May 20, 2013, 04:19:48 PM

The world doesn't ABSOLUTELY NEED linux ...
The world DOES ABSOLUTELY NEED cryptocurrency (like Bitcoin).

So...
The world needs a currency that actually works...
But the world doesn't need an operating system that actually works?
Roll Eyes

"sucks" != "does not work"

Come now, that's just splitting hairs Grin

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Quote from: BitcoinAshley on May 20, 2013, 04:56:04 PM

Quote from: Crypt_Current on May 20, 2013, 04:19:48 PM

The world doesn't ABSOLUTELY NEED linux ...
The world DOES ABSOLUTELY NEED cryptocurrency (like Bitcoin).

So...
The world needs a currency that actually works...
But the world doesn't need an operating system that actually works?
Roll Eyes

"sucks" != "does not work"

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Quote from: BitcoinAshley on May 20, 2013, 04:56:04 PM

But the world doesn't need an operating system that actually works?
Roll Eyes

Yes it does.
Time to bring back the Lisp machine.

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Quote from: Crypt_Current on May 20, 2013, 04:19:48 PM

The world doesn't ABSOLUTELY NEED linux ...
The world DOES ABSOLUTELY NEED cryptocurrency (like Bitcoin).

So...
The world needs a currency that actually works...
But the world doesn't need an operating system that actually works?
Roll Eyes

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I started to use Linux pretty much when I started to use bitcoins. This is because I find Linux security far better than Windows and I cannot afford having my private keys stolen by some typical windows trojan.

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The world doesn't ABSOLUTELY NEED linux ...
The world DOES ABSOLUTELY NEED cryptocurrency (like Bitcoin).

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Quote from: BTC Books on May 20, 2013, 06:38:39 AM

Quote from: ColonelCrypto on May 20, 2013, 06:11:26 AM

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

Thank you RMS. Roll Eyes

Don't forget all the embedded systems that have long ago abandoned the bloated GNU libraries for lighter replacements Tongue

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We're talking about generic Linux here, go spread your GNU elitism elsewhere. Sure, it is a big factor on the desktop, but GNU can't claim dominion over all Linux systems, and even on the desktop, 98% of the functionality is available from other non-GNU libraries. Yes, GNU played a large roll in getting the Open Source movement rolling, but now they have an egotism problem and will become irrelevant if they continue to rest on their laurels.

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Quote from: Francesco on May 20, 2013, 02:40:24 AM

Come to think of it.

* Both free, versatile, powerful, in short awesome
* Both faced with a competition either inferior or insanely priced, and in any case unfree as hell.
* Both with a base of enthusiast supporters all absolutely sure that "this year will be our year, we will take over the world!". Every year.

Except Linux has been around 23 years now. It has been adopted by maybe a 2% of tech enthousiasts, and behind the scenes by many big players as an invisible base for their services -but common people apparently still love to defragment and scan for viruses. Although many know there is something called "linux"; just as many have heard of bitcoin recently.

Still, the mental effort required for the change is commonly believed to be too much -although the transition has arguably been made as easy as it could possibly be.
So apparently, without a (really) big company to push for adoption, universal success among common people is unlikely.

(Oh: among crypto, Bitcoin is Debian -and Ripple looks a lot like it could be Ubuntu)

Linux is the most used operating system in the world, just not in desktop, but in everything else. Server is linux dominated, embeded and mobile is linux dominated (think how many people use Android), supercomputers is linux dominated, etc... Only in desktop linux does not dominate.

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