Topic: Criticism (Constructive/nonconstructive) is part of the game for Newbies (Read 108 times)

I figure that the core reason for not banning scammers is not wanting to become a judge over such matters, with the risk of creating false positive bans, nor giving the impression that anyone not banned is not a scammer.

Ideally, the forum should ban them, but the implications of having to judge lengthy non-trivial to resolve and follow cases, and the reputation that is at stake for being the vigilante of what’s a scam and what’s not (let alone the resources needed), is a heavy burden. That’s why, with all its pros and cons, the Trust system (+flags) moves the weight load off the Forum’s shoulders (Admins/mods), and places a delegate solution on the member community.

Thank you, I learned that scam does not equal ban, however, this type of regulation has to be reviewed, I mean scam and still be on the forum walking freely, that's a crime under the law, but who am I by the way, my opinion doesn't count.


This isn't about being an asslicker, there are so many judgments made on this forum that I believe aren't adequately ironed out, but what can I say? I know a DT member whose judgement is always irrevocable, those he tags and gives negative trust, he will never change it even if others find you guilty, he will never alter his mind, all because of the immunity they claim.
Rather than being hunted here and there, I shall remain mutual and impartial to everyone who will cause me unneeded difficulties with my profile.

I dont think if someone upset to you, that guy should give you a negative trust. Everyone should not have personal vendetta just because he pisses you off. This is a forum and even negative vibes discussion still prevent any confrontation like going to a serious fight. Everyone must be always professional when it comes to handling anger on such trolling.

I'd love to guide newbies into the right path and follow the forum rules once I saw they'd on mistakes than criticizing them because I know how I feel being criticized(I've been called before idiot and even shitposter).  This forum will give us benefits and as a matter of fact, I've learned a lot here from technically to emotional that molds my self being matured.  Learn your mistakes is one of the most important but as much as possible avoid those heavy mistakes that strictly prohibit this forum, such as you mentioned above which makes your account suffer in the future when you get neg. flag and neg. feedback on your profile.

If you are a newbie try to aim these,

• Be a good member
• Be a good contributor
• Be kind to your fellow members
• Help the forum clean, report when you see that against the rule
• the last but not least, never break the forum rules

..and you'll be fine.

This forum is one of the chillest places I've ever seen, if you don't visit offtopic/meta/reputation/politics boards. I very rarely see any sort of flame in boards like Bitcoin Discussion or Economics, and usually some of the prominent anti-Bitcoiners/trolls are involved, but even that is very tame. And I never seen any high rank or any rank member degrading someone over their rank.

I think some people are breaking the rules of this forum and try to paint it as some sort of newbie prosecution.

Scamming is not moderated on the forum and would not get anyone banned. You can get trust flags and negative feedback from the community, but the mods do not act on scams.

Trying to be a suckpuppet or a people pleaser doesn't sound appealing either, I've noticed some members here have grown tough skins and would not mind a bit of trolling as long as it's constructive. Share your opinions bluntly, but be open minded and respect the opinion of others.
Anyone who negative trusts those who upset them, shouldn't be on any default trust list.

Plagiarism has been the topic of intense debate since the beginning of this week, and I have chosen an intriguing controversial perspective that we normally disregard as well as myself. I've learned something in and out of this forum, and every other member will agree with me that not everyone will rule for what you say here, there will always be criticism to everything you do in life, and the sooner you accept that the less trouble you'll have and the less entertaining your arguments will be.

I came across a topic titled The forum culture is to kill all newbies? When the OP was talking about how higher rank members constantly degrade beginners, and I just had to quote another user for complaining about how Pokapoka124, who has always been one of the tough members, had been hard on him, making a ban appealing.

I'm not going to go into detail about how he was banned, but I would want to highlight some of the factors that usually led to our bans, which the newbies, like myself, refused to accept.

You see, Bitcointalk is a faceless forum, which means you don't know who is behind a particular moniker unless they expose their identity, and the forum's goal was to assist everyone grasps the notion of Bitcoin. It was done with the intention of spreading information and understanding the significance of bitcoin, and as a result, everyone will always have an opinion on everything.
So, instead of becoming upset or irritated when someone says anything opposite to what you write, you either respond if you believe you are correct and provide further proof to back up your argument, or you ignore; you must not respond to every critic. This happens all the time, even outside of the forum and in academia, as long as there is a concept and our techniques of processing it aren't the same. You should always embrace them, they're a part of life, and you shouldn't be frightened by anybody.

Many people have abandoned the high rank you are so eager to get because they want to live, many have reached it and were banned due to certain mistakes. Anyone can be a beginner if they lack understanding about that subject, so don't be offended if they tag you as one. However, I have also got to realize that not every newbie is truly new, some may open an account and ask a specific question and that's it, you will never see them again in the forum.

You shouldn't regard any high-rank members as demi-gods simply because they are there, they all worked hard to get there. I personally don't get irritated by being bullied; you can say whatever you want, knowledge is more important, and you shouldn't feel bad when they correct you, it's part of the process. Even in an academic setting, your teacher will correct you not because he feigns ignorance.

We have always focused on how to rank up when we joined the forum, which is not a bad thing, but there are some things we don't take seriously, and that thing you are ignoring today may bring you down, it scares me so much that I hope I don't get involved even by mistake. If you fail to learn these things, you may just wake up one day and realize that your many years journey on the Bitcointalk forum is a wasted effort.
The rules that govern Bitcointalk are extensive; I will attempt to emphasize the ones that I feel are essential to me and any newcomer on the forum.

Plagiarism: copying and pasting other people's work on this forum is like signing your ticket to hell, plagiarizing is frowned upon. There is some level of plagiarism that is accepted in certain places but zero on Bitcointalk. So, My Friend, the sooner you join this forum, the better for you to accept this. Don't wait until you've accumulated hundreds of merits.

Scamming: It's the same as carrying a pistol and standing on the highway, you should never be tempted to loot from others, and don't claim to be someone you're not, it will only take a millisecond to obtain an immediate ban. negative trust.

Don't troll anyone, learn how to cohabit: There are some extremely reputable members on this site who, if they suspect you are trolling them, will not hesitate to give you negative feedback. So, while you are on the forum accumulating merits, don't upset anybody since negative feedback may cause you a lot of trouble.

In summary, bitcointalk.org is governed by rules and regulations; this is what has kept things in order, and I believe that when there are rules, one must follow them even if they are unpopular.
There is no sin where there is no law, but since this is a lawful community, don't go against them.

Here are another lists of the general rules that guide beginners in the forum.
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it
[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism
Ratimov's Forum Guides, Tutorials & Lists