Topic: The forum culture is to kill all newbies? (Read 1279 times)

I reported his post as a double post. He probably wants everyone to hear him. But RainbowKun, you should not do this, especially since writing on this topic also approaches the wording "off-topic." Since the topic is not about you. There is an active topic in which you are arguing about your personality and the army that accompanies you.

Hey man, seriously, you are in a forum, nobody is going to read such a wall. In other forums, not so worried about quality, you would receive a lot of responses to this post, along the lines of: "didn't read, lol."

For my part, and said a little jokingly, if I were the dictator of this forum, I would put you a temporary ban of one week for such a wall.

The wall of text is utterly amazing but altcoin shilling in Meta is major cringe. Say what you want about being nasty to newbies however the OP isn't really a newbie anymore and after all this drama should really know better. I don't think we need more ignorant shitcoining on this forum.

I guess this is what you get when you combine passion for a forum, various different personalities, and the ways of earning money from something you're passionate about. Unfortunately, this has led to a culture that is quite hostile to newbies, whether it's intentional or simply because users have become fed up with the amount of abusers, and account farmers on the forum, the result is the same; it scares away legitimate users.

At least, taking away from your other remarks, scares away a particular demographic; i.e usually of the older generation. Since, it appears that the internet in general is a toxic breeding ground, and when you sprinkle in a little bit of anonymity people usually say, and act more maliciously than they would in person. Social media has seemed to exaggerate this, and is common among the younger generations.

I've talked to it before, I like to give the benefit of the doubt whenever possible, but that's quite  difficult at times, and while I don't completely blame those for automatically being suspicious of new users due to the nature of the forum, and well the nature of people themselves. I do wish we were a little more welcoming overall.  

I touched upon this indirectly above, but I would like to put emphasis on this; I don't think this is a particularly toxic place when you compare it to other social medias, and other discussion forums, but rather it's due to the shift in culture, and the factor of being pseudonymous.

Was not referring to scam busters et al. Ja, they are actually a rather vital group of folks needed here to keep some semblance of sanity in the Forum.  
I was referring to a few folks who I've come across that seem to think it is their mission in life to hunt down newbs and ridicule them vs trying to teach them the errors of their ways.

Ja. It is a sad reflection of today's culture. Folks today have easy access to technologies that were undreamed of just a few decades ago yet have no interest at all in what led to them nor even the basics of how they actually work...  

I'm not sure who you're referring to by the rule-breaker hunters, but I don't think scam busters or those who sniff out plagiarism are bad apples at all.  If we didn't have members looking out for stuff like that, it would be rampant.  It already is rampant, and as far as plagiarism goes (since that's one of the biggest problems and one that will get a member permanently banned), it should be something every member ought to know not to do.

I tend to agree with you about the newer generation and how they use social media and how it might relate to the way they use this site, except that many new members of the forum come here just to get involved in sig campaigns and bounties, and not only are they not interested in technical discussions, they're not even interested in expressing much of anything.  The result is a lot of generic posts that repeat thoughts/ideas, are poorly written, and don't contribute anything to whatever the topic of a thread is.  I'm not sure how much you can educate those kind of members.

Aside from some bad apples who get their jollies by hunting down rule breakers, the Forum culture is NOT to kill all newbies - it is to educate them.

Unfortunately far too often the 1st thing that has to be taught is how to use this forum - or for that matter any forum.

To me it seems that far too many folks think this place is like Facebook, Quora, redit, etc where people post their random thoughts anyplace and anyway they like. I put that to a generational thing where today's generations are so used to having smartphones and texting about everything under the sun that it simply never occurs to them that this place is a TECHNICAL message board and that means there are guidelines on using it. As such they never bother to even look at what the rules are much less take a little time to scan through the forum to see if their question(s) have already been answered.

As my forum name implies I will be among the 1st to point out mistakes they make but follow that with the reason they are a mistake and, what to do about it. I am also very quick to notify mods if a post is in the wrong area (or is utter trash) so it can be moved to where it belongs. For those who refuse to learn and continually violate the Forum Rules then yes, I say ban them.

The other side of the coin applies: I have given many newbies their 1st merit. All it takes is that it be a valid question that has not been asked before and seems to come from an educated individual vs someone who is oblivious to properly learning on their own. My main goal here is to provide useful information where I can. Having been an EE since the mid-1970's I have gained a vast pool of knowledge that ranges from circuit design, power systems design and construction including building infra, computers and at least basic programming, etc. which I share whenever possible.

New here? Well then spend a few days browsing the various sections before posting. Ya just *might* find answers to the initial question(s) you have and even more importantly, along with starting the process of learning and gaining insights into what mining as all about you will probably develop more questions that can be properly targeted..

Let's welcome the mission, which saves newcomers with its teachings from all malicious members of the forum who dream of hiding all the rules and destroying as many newcomers as possible.
You made my day.
Can I create an icon for you?

My angle is that newbies should learn that a newbie mistake can lead to permanent ban afterwards. I also opened a thread telling newbies that "posting in the forum without reading(learning) is suicidal. @kxwkwxxkw admitted he committed plagiarism, but it was just his first post as a newbie when he was not aware of any rule. Though I am unaware if he committed further plagiarism save his first post.
It's a lesson because what everyone is expected to do in any forum or group he joins is to ask for the rules guiding the forum even before posting.


Obviously, it does not make sense because, the admins or moderators might not be aware of your apology. It just pains me to see that someone is banned for an avoided case.


I do not act, I am not acting sir. I do not teach everyone what you called insignificant. I always mention that they are directed to newbies.
You are pretty old in this forum and such topics seems to piss you because you have seen them severally or you wish you can hide all the rules about plagiarism to the newbies so that you can fetch fresh victims daily.

Show me at least one of your plagiarism, which was found by you. I have not even read that post of yours, and it amazes me how selfish people can be, promoting their topics everywhere.
You act as if you are an expert and so experienced that you teach everyone with your insignificant posts.

Plagiarism ends as permanent ban when it is reported and handled by global moderators or admins. I think permanent ban hammers are only used by them, not moderators.

Saying apology does not make sense, if your plagiarism report is handled as approval by admins/ moderators. If they don't see any value and reasons why second chance should be given, that user will be permanent banned.

What's your angle here? Thinking that if you suck up to sockpuppet hunters then you might avoid kxwkwkxkwkk's fate?

So, @kxwhalexk is banned for plagiarism?
It's a pity.
I remember sometimes in the forum I created about 3 to 4 topics in the B/H bordering on plagiarism. I also noted that a plagiarism committed as a newbie can be used against you even when you get to senior member and above. Why peopleplagiarise in the forum and how to avoid plagiarism
I emphasised on plagiarism to the extent that some users began to question if it's only plagiarism I could bring to the table.
@kxwhalexk admitted to committing plagiarism as I read in a thread. He apologised and I thought he was forgiven.
Surprisingly his crime(plagiarism) was resurrected and used against him.
This should be a big lesson to the newbies.

I would have thought that all the account farmers would have learned to avoid complaining in Meta by now.  Starting a topic in this subforum to whine about how vigilant some of the users are here is like putting up a request asking for those very people to shine the brightest possible spotlight on everything you've ever done.  The only thing they achieve is to draw more attention to the shady stuff they're doing.  

Do you also shoplift and then get into a debate about morality with the cashier regarding how strict they are about that, all while trying to hide the stuff you've not paid for?  It's that level of dumb.  

Fair enough, but you have to admit that this forum is complex.
[edit: I am as much amused as annoyed by this whole incident, nearly hanged for non-participation. I understand the need to watch for cheaters, but that results collateral damage. =/ ]

I didn't think my post was unclear, but I could have stated more clearly that:

1) RainbowcityDAO's linked facebook account had on the same day the exact post of the RainbowKun bitcointalk account (1 July 2021)
and 2) RainbowKun had not previously posted before that date, which means that he had no reason to have a fan base to be impersonated.

That doesn't make any sense as the RainbowcityDAO account was using that address before kxwhalexk posted it on Twitter for the first time.




You should examine whether what you are saying is actually applicable to a situation before attempting to introduce it as a "what if...." You are just needlessly interjecting confusion.


And now we see what the motivation actually was: to join a bunch of bounties and sig campaigns. And you need at least 10 merits for a sig campaign, right?

Sorry for this, but I will retract my previous remarks insofar as these accusations seem close to the truth (in my opinion) and knowing one of them has been banned. Due to forum rules, if your alt is banned, you are not personally allowed to contribute to this forum.
Honestly I appreciate the friendliness, but if the fact is that you have other intentions with "covert" tactics, it will disappoint anyone even you have never been involved with.

Last words, good luck elsewhere.

I see three kind of newbies on the forum. First are the one who really are new to cryptocurrency and search for help or information. Second are the newbies who are here only to earn through bounties, giveaways and etc. Third - alts. They are here to cheat and to scam. They are mostly developed from “second” kind of newbies. And people are here to search for third kind of newbies to prevent bad things. Because of that, real newbies suffer. No one tries to kill newbies, but due to cheaters, newbies are under surveillance.

Seriously--and if I'm not mistaken, he's not allowed to post outside of his ban appeal thread and I've reported him for that. 

Kxwhalexk1, if you make a new account in violation of forum rules, you'll be sniffed out.  Guaranteed.  Other members have tried it (like mdayonliner if I'm not mistaken) and failed, and the community has seen enough of your posting habits to know who you are, and I doubt you'd be able to sufficiently change how you write that you'd be able to elude detection.  Just don't do it.  You're not welcome here.

I suspect that a lot of us felt that way.

It's a money-based forum, so selling or promotion aren't in themselves bad, but that tie with money makes any manipulation all the worse.

Anyways, ratimov, I will have to relook at your analysis and see where I can learn.