Topic: [CrowdFund] OMEGA STOX (CounterParty stock asset, closely related to BTC) (Read 2150 times)

Well at the moment I dont have that much bitcoin funds allocated for it, I didnt bought bitcoin yet because the price was going down.

I think that was a pretty good trade.

But those who already got bitcoin and instead of selling it at a loss, could have tried their chances and gain their losses back with my investments.

Anyway, thanks for nothing, i`m locking this thread until I raise funds with other methods as I can't count on bitcointalk's community's support on this.

Crowdfunding typically isn't an investment. From an investment standpoint, you invest in the management. A mediocre idea with good management is much better than a great idea with poor management. There is not a good probability you would make profits.

Bottom line is if you can't set aside $270 to start your own project, your clearly not a very good trader.

And thats the opposite how crowdfunding works. There have been many crowdfunded ideas on both coinfounder and bitcoinstarter, so it's not the case.

Some guy asked 5 BTC for a new laptop and he raised funds for that, it's silly but people do waste money. Now instead of them wasting 5 BTC on some random guy's laptop, he could just have funded my idea which actually gave them profits and not lose them money.

Even if it would not be a succes (which I doubt strongly), what the more likely?

• Invest in my project, risk small amount (I only ask for 0.005 BTC now) and see what happens ? There is a good probability that you will gain profits

• Give 5 BTC to a random guy to buy his laptop and never see that money again.

So which one do you think has more risk or opportunity?

If a random guy can ask for any donation for any BS idea, then I can ask too for a very innovative business idea. So let's be fair here man.

This is the opposite of how any real investor invests. Ideas are cheap, the only thing that matters is if the person running the project is capable of successfully managing it. If you can't put $270 bucks into your own project, you have no business asking for other people's money.

Very well, I`ll put some of my own capital into it, hopefully people will gain more trust then.

Although I think its good to be anonymous, this would be an anonymous "fund" , because in my view privacy is the NR.1 priority.
I won't request any info from the customers, they wont request info from me, as simple as that.

Look at the NXT based assets, completely anonymous yet they have 1m$ in it, and they are NOT scammers. The same way my asset would work, except that i`d be more innovative.

I think I was the first one to come up with this complex idea of investment, others were only investing in gambling sites or lottery.
This one is investing in diversified assets, with a good risk management, i think people should consider that as a great option.

I know that I have small trust because I`m a newbie, but clearly, people should invest in the "idea" not the "man". That is the other reason my I keep my anonymity, so that people to not confuse my identity with my project, we have to separate these 2 concepts.

Business is business and chit-chat talk on forums is that and its not identical.

First, in your initial post, on the last line it says critics are welcome. I'm not trying to be critical, I'm trying to offer you some advice on what to do. I can appreciate what you're trying to setup, but you need to realize that we see these types of offerings all the time. You have no partnerships with your income stream, no data and no research.  The threads here are populated with income by faucet and casino bankrolls. You're new, so you may not know this, but most of the major gambling sites in the gambling thread up and stole either hundreds or thousands of BTC. Faucets die like goldfish in the desert as well. Have you researched about the rate at which people actually repay BTC loans? You really need to do your research is all that I'm trying to tell you.  Start pulling your faucets together, get your bankroll-gambling partnership setup, start loaning out some funds and collect on them or at least show what you expect the repayment rate to be on loans.  How will you trust and collect on people who you've made loans to?  You need data and you don't have any yet.  What you have is an idea and your hand out which we see all the time here in the threads.  The difference between people who get an investment and people who don't are: A) They invest in themselves. B) They have data to support their ideas. C) They have community support.  D) They provide their background/identity information.  Here's an example: http://storj.io/team.html

Second, you need to show what you've invested personally into your own system. You're trying to raise about (1 BTC) $270 through your crowdfund, you should be able to put that up yourself to kickstart your revenue system. Do that first, show some income, then come back after you've established some trust not only here, but outside of the forums. Yes, we understand risks and understand that you can't make promises of income. You've also gone back and edited your first post a few times, in there you said you had finance experience. If you want to gain some trust, you need to show the community you have something to contribute in kind and relay your experience.  No one is going to invest if you don't invest in yourself first.  Start small and grow it to something that you can then offer an opportunity on.

Come back once you have something built, you're too early to get investors at this point.

You can also say the financial crash of 2008/09 made people millions. The majority of people have lost money with Bitcoin, the only people who have profited were the early whales who had tens of thousands of BTC's that they paid pennies for. Everyone that has bought BTC since last December has lost value (holders, not traders). Im not a perma-bear, I don't buy HYIP's, like your offering.

Your a fool if you think you can make 20.69x yearly. Im done with this thread, if anyone "invests" in this I lose faith in humanity 

Have you even bothered to read post 1.

It has nothing to do with gambling, i`ve worked out specifically the details how the funds will be invested.

It's neither HYIP, it will return as much as it will return, I don't promise anything , I can't, the market will tell how much we will make.

I just suggested that a 200%/ year is not impossible, I didn't said that I guarantee that, because I can't.

You are just making fun of me my friend and our work, and don't give any factual arguments towards my project, you just like to spit empty words out of your mouth without basis.

Yes my investment carries a risk, I don't deny that, as all investments do, but to just say it's Gambling is just IGNORANCE!

You're just going to go around in circles with them. There's also some sock-puppet activity happening in other threads like, "hey, have you heard of this?" from newbie accounts. This should probably be moved to the Gambling/HYIP subforum.

I dont, that is why I look for investors.

Show me that you have enough XCP to even fund this asset.

After that, work to get more profit and revenue before you look for investors.

Well then you must be a perma-bear. The bitcoin has made many people millionaires, average people, who just bought / mined it at the right time. So why can't I (with a record of trading experience) do the same if not better?

Only crappy bonds make you 2%/year, but this is Bitcoin we are talking about, the potential is much bigger.

Both. Expecting to make 20.69x your investment in a year is ridiculous.

Well, if thats the case then yes. Many people became millionaires in the BTC bubble, so why can't I ride the altcoin bubbles and become millionaire together with my investors ?

Do you lack the faith in me or in the altcoins, because at this point I don't really understand what is your problem with my project.

EDIT: I`ve uploaded proof that the address is the official address of the stock and from here the stocks will be issued

I was being sarcastic. 6% a week? Thats the equivalent of turning $100 into $2069.69 in a years time.

I would not say its easy, because its not, but it can be done.

99% Of new crypto currencies are BS, but if you have a taste to find the other 1%, that can explode really fast making 300-500%/ week.

Of course like I said, I would only invest small amount 1% in each, because they are very volatile, and to diversify the risk.

But overall, it can be a nice investment.

I would not look for 300%/ week, i think even 2-3% (above the bitcoin depreciation %, so in total about 6%)  / week is already a success.

Im sorry, I didn't know it was that easy to make 300% a week, and 100% a year from your investment strategies  . Best of luck to you   

Indeed, that is why i would diversify, and invest just like if it were a portfolio in real life.

Have you heard about investment diversification?

It means that i dont put 95% of the funds in 1 investment, heck not even 10%.

I initially though about 3% or even lower, depending on how the investors would want it. So if one turns out to be a scam, we only lost 3%, thats managable.And since the others will make more than 3%, all risks will be covered in the reward.

BTCJam can easily give 0.5%/ week, so does any other loan out there, compound that and that could give 100%/ year - the dividents, it's not hyip but the numbers dont lie. Worst case 10-20%/year, i think its a really good investment.

Well then you forgot to do your homework, its not my fault that you haven't heard of them. Ice dice's owner is a respected member of this forum.

I know that BTCJam is prone to defaults, but i can calculate the risks and the probability of the defaults, by checking each loaner's background, and evaluating his competence.

Further more even if he defaults, i told you we will lose only 3%, but if he doesnt, we gain 20%. I think that is a good RISK/REWARD ratio.


Check it again please, NXT coin right now is in an weekly uptrend, right now it hit 6100 satoshi, i think its a really good investment, for the long term of course.

Mastercoin if you look closely has a very straight price line, its volatility is big, but the price doesnt have a trend, once new features are added there, an uptrend is very likely there.I wont invest in it right now, but it will be on a watchlist.

Bitshares is pegged to the USD, and as the rhetoric of the FED will hold it could be a good investment short term, but not a long term one, i would buy it at dips, and sell it at tops, its more a tradable currency rather than a investable one.

Add SuperNET to the list, they will soon finish new feature uppgrades, it could be the next hot crypto out there, I heard that they are working on a decentralized exchange and multiwallet bridge, it will be exciting.

Also Ethereum, and various other crypto currencies could skyrocket, I would even invest in those which make 300%/week, but only a small amount (~1%), to hedge against BTC's depreciation.

This is a highly risky venture, and thus the potential profits need to match the risk, and no I don't live in fantasy world. Im not a "Bitcoin to the moon!" believer either, its not hard to show some proof you are a decent trader since your claiming to have been a trader for over 5 years.

I see your points clearly, they are terrible. I've never heard of Ice-Dice, why anyone would want to trust their funds with an anonymous dice site is beyond me, dice.ninja, DiceBitco.in etc have all turned out to be scams. As I pointed out earlier, BTCJam is very prone to defaults, your more likely to lose money than make money. Banks, there are none, you would be looking at tops 1% a year if there were any. The coins you mentioned (NXT, Mastercoin, Bitshares) are not stable and do not have good yields.

Maybe you don't know how to read charts, but Mastercoin (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/mastercoin/) has been in a downtrend for over a year straight. NXT (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nxt/) has been on a downtrend since June. Bitshares (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitshares-x/) has been on a downtrend ever since launch.

I think you are just a troll. Do you even realize what you spell out?

You can't even put things in perspective. First of all, why would the investors need to be paid asap, a stock just like any other investment is a longer term investment. Dividents will be paid out weekly not every second,  and that "30%" that is lost would be lost over 6 months not suddenly.

I emphasized that PHASE 2 and 3 would take months!
IT IS NOT A GET RICH QUICK SCHEME!!!


So no fund would be lost, because i will adjust the supply according to demand. Meaning that with the rate that new people come into the business, by that rate i will give out new IPO's.

I wont just dilute the market with a billion shares/day, you are confusing me with the FED  

So let me say 1 last time, i`ve planned out everything very specifically, the price will have a steady (not bubble or not HYIP) increase. The price would not crash neither because i would increase the dividents if this would happen, or stimulate the demand with special methods!

You criticize me that you think i`m no good trader, but yet you live in fantasy world and think that shares should make 60%/second isn't it? Well tell me 1 single share in the universe that made that much ROI at that frequency!

You see, you are so obsessed with criticizing me that you fail to see my clear points.

INVESTMENTS:
-Casino shares ex: Ice Dice good give game to invest
-Loans: BTC jam
-Mining: maybe you have a point here (i`ll invest very tiny amounts of the portfolio here)
-Bank: none existing yet but i`ve seen that they will be one soon, i`ll be cautious here
-Other crypto currencies with stable price and good yield (NXT,Mastercoin,Bitshares,etc)