Before I forget, title should be Crusade**.
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And as I think that this "crusade" seems to have an army of one I am officially "calling it off" (to spend more time doing useful things like "coding").
Topic: [CRUSADE] Report "ad-sponsored rubbish posts" (Read 1686 times)
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And as I think that this "crusade" seems to have an army of one I am officially "calling it off" (to spend more time doing useful things like "coding").
Although I know the mods are trying their best to "weed out the ever increasing amount of crap posts" we are seeing due to "paid sig posting campaigns" I see more such campaigns being created and more and more rubbish posts being posted.
Please consider clicking the Report to Admin link on any "useless post" posted by someone with an "ad sig" (whether or not you know it is part of a "paid sig posting campaign" because if the post is "rubbish" then it is more than likely than not that is why it is there annoying you).
If enough of us do this then either it'll result in "a clean up of the forum" or a "banning of paid sig posting campaigns" (the latter being my preference but either result would be better than the current situation).
Before I forget, title should be Crusade**.Please consider clicking the Report to Admin link on any "useless post" posted by someone with an "ad sig" (whether or not you know it is part of a "paid sig posting campaign" because if the post is "rubbish" then it is more than likely than not that is why it is there annoying you).
If enough of us do this then either it'll result in "a clean up of the forum" or a "banning of paid sig posting campaigns" (the latter being my preference but either result would be better than the current situation).
mods/admins/staff should be the people leading the charge on this honestly. There is a reason they made it so anyone can post anywhere, there is no newbie restriction to only post in beginners anymore, they did that on purpose. What reason would make them do that? I can only speculate that it is to get more posts into other subs and spread it out better, less people in beginners section = profit??? Or something? It technically would boost Google rankings to the other subs and lower it for the beginners sub I suppose.
Anyways, you are a developer for things it looks like and you also have been here a long time which is cool. I don't think this is a good use of your time to be honest. I believe pursuing this any further than the posts already made about this topic is a pure time waste. Granted it might only be 15 minutes and such, but there is a reason everything is how it is and we do agree with you on the shit posts. But the more posts = the more profit, which I am not saying is the most important thing, but there is definitely a balance of shit posts and good posts on a forum website.
My ultimate experience is that no matter how high ranked you are on a forum it doesn't matter. I got banned on RSbuddy and was one of the most vocal about their changes(without really ever swearing or anything). Robotzindisguise is really the only forum besides this that was any good but not too many posters. I had a ton of views on my posts on the Guild Wars 2 forum. I had detailed analysis of DPS for condition damage vs direct damage and all these types of things that proved direct dmg was 3 or 4 times more DPS than condition damage and all this stuff. That thread had like 27,000 views in a short amount of time and tons of vocal support and they still didn't fix the game to balance it out better(it has been like a year). Direct damage always wins and you get punished for playing a build that deals condition damage(damage over time). I had other posts detailing how much DPS minions do, how the minion AI is broken(obviously broken as they would most of the time not attack enemies and sit there and do nothing). Tons of things like that. Do you know what it got me? Absolutely nothing. No changes were implemented to fix these things and it is because it was considered not worth their time to fix things that shouldn't have been broken.
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My whole point is you may be right, but if the right people don't listen it won't matter.
I am just now ignoring more and more of the forum Boards - I'll probably end up with just one or two Boards that I bother with eventually.
If this helps, I'm ignoring 150 boards and read only 27
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The problem is that the mods aren't having any great effect on "stopping the crap posts" so basically this is "a protest" at the poor quality of posts on this forum due to ad sigs but I don't think anyone is "joining in" so I doubt that my occasional "report" is hardly going to have any effect one way or the other. 
I refuse to "waste my time" on maintaining an ever growing Ignore list (which also quite likely increases the server work for processing each request) so instead I am just now ignoring more and more of the forum Boards - I'll probably end up with just one or two Boards that I bother with eventually.
I refuse to "waste my time" on maintaining an ever growing Ignore list (which also quite likely increases the server work for processing each request) so instead I am just now ignoring more and more of the forum Boards - I'll probably end up with just one or two Boards that I bother with eventually.
CIYAM, what you're suggesting people to do is counterproductive. If you flood mods with spam reports, that ties up all their time to do other things, and you dilute their effectiveness as a mod if they were look at every one of the reports. If you're going to report for spam, then report the users that are consistently spamming useless posts rather than the single post itself.
I have dozens of people on my ignore list, and the first filter I use is people with paid ad sigs.
I have dozens of people on my ignore list, and the first filter I use is people with paid ad sigs.
I tried, but the only reward for reporting is to see accuracy slowly drift lower point by point.
Sadly I have noticed the same as well - I guess most of the mods here "are in support of rubbish posts".
Every topic you start should be self-moderated. Then delete the fuck out of shitposts, especially those with paid sigs.
I tried, but the only reward for reporting is to see accuracy slowly drift lower point by point.
Luckily for you, then, there has been an influx of new campaigns that pay per term and don't depend on post count. Satisfactory?
I'd be curious to know "what criteria they use to choose who they will pay to have their ad sig?" but yes hopefully that might improve things.
Luckily for you, then, there has been an influx of new campaigns that pay per term and don't depend on post count. Satisfactory?
I'd be curious to know "what criteria they use to choose who they will pay to have their ad sig?" but yes hopefully that might improve things.
Anyone can have whatever he want in his signature , I'm with you when you told the useless posts are increasing . But there are users don't post "rubbish" ; so finally I think "ban" the sig. campaign is pointless .
; so finally I think "ban" the sig. campaign is pointless .As I stated - I would be happy enough if we just get the forum "cleaned up" so don't miss that point please (and people with "ad sigs should not really be replying" to this).
You are warned not to reply again unless you really have something relevant to add (or you will be reported - your above post was basically *crap* but I'll let that one slide).
I am not reporting *any post* made by "ad sig posters" - only ones that "have no value".
Let's be very clear about what my "campaign is about please".
In particular "pointless or uninteresting posts" is what I am against (it is just annoying to have to "wade through crap posts to find anything of interest").
Let's be very clear about what my "campaign is about please".
In particular "pointless or uninteresting posts" is what I am against (it is just annoying to have to "wade through crap posts to find anything of interest").
Despite having a signature ad (sorry if that gives offense given the title of this thread) I am very sympathetic to your point. I have one point and a couple of suggestions.
First, this is the internet and posts one views as stupid, ill informed or useless are just gonna happen. After all, trolls are gonna troll and technically even that isn't against the guidelines as quoted by people. One person's useless post is another's marginally interesting insight.
One suggestion, rather than flooding the mods with reports that may or may not get acted upon, why not contact the sponsors of the programs with users you find are really abusive? After all, they have a direct financial incentive to not pay for crap posts and have their operation associated with crappy members of the bitcointalk community. I realize this is more work for you, but it's probably not much more work than reporting posts.
Second suggestion may be to do what I heard many people do during the height of the primedice sig campaign spam and just routinely ignore anyone that had a paid signature. In the event that they ever posted something interesting it would probably get quoted and then you could consider unignoring them. This has the benefit of being even easier than reporting people but doesn't end the bad behavior you are trying to prevent.
Good Luck!
I am not reporting *any post* made by "ad sig posters" - only ones that "have no value".
Let's be very clear about what my "campaign is about please".
In particular "pointless or uninteresting posts" is what I am against (it is just annoying to have to "wade through crap posts to find anything of interest").
Let's be very clear about what my "campaign is about please".
In particular "pointless or uninteresting posts" is what I am against (it is just annoying to have to "wade through crap posts to find anything of interest").
This is the correct function of the report button :
Indeed:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/forum-moderation-policy-20333
The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.
Some guidelines:
1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content
Some guidelines:
1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content
Indeed @CIYAM reported my previous post ( but I think that I don't violate any rules
).The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.
Some guidelines:
1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content
Some guidelines:
1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content
This is the correct function of the report button :
Indeed:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/forum-moderation-policy-20333
The policy to not remove anything worked when the forum was small. Now that we have thousands of posts a day, we can't afford 50% of them being junk. The moderators are now instructed to be less tolerant of low-value posts.
Some guidelines:
1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content
Some guidelines:
1. Free speech - you can say anything as long as it is relevant and presented in a calm and polite manner. Swearing, SHOUTING etc. make your post more likely to be removed.
2. No zero value posts or threads, like "SELL SELL SELL"
3. No pointless or uninteresting threads.
4. No referral code spam
5. No NSFW content
While I understand where you are coming from, I dont think your approach is in any way reasonable. To report any post regardless of content as "crap", "spam" or "has a paid signature" will not resolve the problem, but just create another one - report spam.
Whether or not paid signatures should be allowed has been discussed several times in the past. My opinion is: While paid signatures introduce spam they also help some people to get bitcoins at all. Those with paid signatures get banned more easily and there is less tolerance for spam and crapposts. So if you feel that a certain user is postpadding or spaming just to get paid, collect a reasonable amount of posts that attest the correctness of your feeelings and contact a moderator / admin. Sometimes a single post is not significant for the overal posting behaviour of a user.
And if you follow the payment structure of paid signatures and their development over time you will see that not only the mods and admins take action against the spam but also those offering BTC for posts. Less and less campaigns pay by post and those that do limit the number of posts. These limits have been lowered more and more to lower the incentive to spam. E.g. prime dice allowed some to earn up to 2.4 BTC a month in the recent past. Dicebitco.in has (or had, not sure if they keep the campaign at all) very strict rules regarding spam and banned several users from the campaign durring the first period.
The quality of posts is not directly related to the signature, but depends on the person writing the post. I see users here that write utter crap or mainly copy pasta what someone else wrote without a paid signature. In my opinion their posts are nothing more than just spam, yet the sometimes spark discussions. Opinions on this are different and in the end the staff has to decide what level is tolerable.
Yes, please report spam and useless posts, but report posts and not signatures.
Whether or not paid signatures should be allowed has been discussed several times in the past. My opinion is: While paid signatures introduce spam they also help some people to get bitcoins at all. Those with paid signatures get banned more easily and there is less tolerance for spam and crapposts. So if you feel that a certain user is postpadding or spaming just to get paid, collect a reasonable amount of posts that attest the correctness of your feeelings and contact a moderator / admin. Sometimes a single post is not significant for the overal posting behaviour of a user.
And if you follow the payment structure of paid signatures and their development over time you will see that not only the mods and admins take action against the spam but also those offering BTC for posts. Less and less campaigns pay by post and those that do limit the number of posts. These limits have been lowered more and more to lower the incentive to spam. E.g. prime dice allowed some to earn up to 2.4 BTC a month in the recent past. Dicebitco.in has (or had, not sure if they keep the campaign at all) very strict rules regarding spam and banned several users from the campaign durring the first period.
The quality of posts is not directly related to the signature, but depends on the person writing the post. I see users here that write utter crap or mainly copy pasta what someone else wrote without a paid signature. In my opinion their posts are nothing more than just spam, yet the sometimes spark discussions. Opinions on this are different and in the end the staff has to decide what level is tolerable.
Yes, please report spam and useless posts, but report posts and not signatures.
so now if i have a "paid" signature I can't post , this is so ridiculous . // 
Stop posting crap please.
Post your "useful posts somewhere else please" - here you are obviously just trying to "defend your *right* to post crap" as you don't want to "lose your precious ad sig BTC".
is crap ? I think is not crap , because I've told only my opinion .
.Reported - as I said "this is a campaign" and if you want to end up on the "wrong side" that is entirely up to you.
This is the correct function of the report button :
so now if i have a "paid" signature I can't post , this is so ridiculous . //
is crap ? I think is not crap , because I've told only my opinion .
.Reported - as I said "this is a campaign" (that is not *sponsored at all*) and if you want to end up on the "wrong side of it" that is entirely up to you.
Anyone can have whatever he want in his signature , I'm with you when you told the useless posts are increasing . But there are users don't post "rubbish" ; so finally I think "ban" the sig. campaign is pointless .
; so finally I think "ban" the sig. campaign is pointless .As I stated - I would be happy enough if we just get the forum "cleaned up" so don't miss that point please (and people with "ad sigs should not really be replying" to this).
You are warned not to reply again unless you really have something relevant to add (or you will be reported - your above post was basically *crap* but I'll let that one slide).
I don't violate any rules of the forum ( whit my previous post and this actual) so if you want to report me , do it ( please ) . It is not necessary to be arrogant !
If you don't like the sig. campaign send a pm to @theymos or @badbear . Finally , why my previous post :
Anyone can have whatever he want in his signature , I'm with you when you told the useless posts are increasing . But there are users don't post "rubbish"
; so finally I think "ban" the sig. campaign is pointless .is crap ? I think is not crap , because I've told only my opinion
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