Topic: Cryptic Organization Development - page 4. (Read 7485 times)

Yeah, they're not bitcoiners, haha. So I have a question, specifically to the OP: is this intended to be open to anyone, or only to a select few? Personally, I feel that a select few would suffice and be more successful in the long run, particularly since then the members will be more goal-oriented.

This is turning into something big! I'm in right? Also we should make it a bit more clear what this groups goal is.

They are not bitcoiners?
Is that a shame?
Nope, they have just not been Enlightened yet!

None the less, they are exactly what the BTC community wants.....
People to realize the benefits of BTC and Crypto - Cryptics in general

Once again, we (taking thge liberty again) are recruiting.....

Wanna be an innovator or a follower?
(in short, would you mind being called Satoshi - for a reason?)
Your choice

Haha, they're not bitcoiners; we're all college students choosing different ways of spending time, so not sure if they'd necessarily become members. Fair compensation is always a major incentive. I'm an officer of the badminton club at my school, and last year we compensated the t-shirt designer ~$50 and a free shirt, and we had over 40 submissions, as opposed to 15 the year prior.

Let's get one thing clear, for the both of us (as I do not know what the OPs plans are).

NOBODY works for free in "my" group.
Everyone get's conpensated accordingly to their contribution.

Your girlfirend or any other of your friends (now that recruitment is up I am guessing) that likes our group and is willing to follow the rules, pays jack shit but their commitment to this.

If the OP dissargrees I would like to know.
(Yes I can also invest BTC in this but, I thought this was about creating an opportunity for eveyone involved. IF an opportunity arises from an idea/project of a member I will definetiley invest more).

So, if I am correct (I hope I am) the OP will be victorious by providing equal opportunities for ALL members.
(hard work, I know... told ya so... none the less I am still in).

Alright, I see Graham's concerns.

I will address it in a few, let me just compose myself.
But for now let me just assure you, I have not and will not sell,
nor give my account away to anyone.

I know that that isn't quite reliable, but we'll find a way to
sort this issue out.

If we need some personalized banners and stuff, I also have quite a few friends (and a girlfriend who's quite good) who're pretty good at graphic design, potentially for free, but I'm sure compensation would be a good incentive. As for me, I can contribute to the website. I don't really mind my position title, as it wouldn't really be something I'd put on a resume haha

Bro, I personally welcome you on our team,
however I do not know my rank yet ( and even though I would like to set up the design/web design team) it is NOT up to me.

I am still waitting on an answer on what my position is here....

EDIT: Also, Graham is a person I WANT in our team.
I need someone (or more) to put us to the test, if you know what I mean

You can ONLY get peoples trust by proving you are trustworthy

Graham has many valid points, and he knows what he's talking about. Objectives need to be specified as members will have a greater urge to join if their goals match Cryptic's goals. That being said, S4VV4S, if you ever want additional help on the web design, I could help; I'm a novice web designer who's rusty, but I could pick it back up and help if you wanted some assistance. Aside from that, I don't know what I could really contribute, as I mentioned in a previous post.

You, as a club member whose identity I can rely on, can tell me, (as another club member), that you control the S4VV4S bcttalk a/c. I would have little reason to doubt that as a fact and even less reason to promulgate it.


I'll stick around, sure but I reckon that the group will struggle for coherence while the objectives are so vague (“some sort of brotherhood or fellowship or some masonic group about bitcoins or cryptocurrencies”) and there's a consequent lack of clarity of vision. The end result is that people are uncertain about precisely what they're signing up to.

The notion of primacy=rank and an exclusive set of “founders” is fatally flawed as it will effectively ossify the incumbents in place. Any properly egalitarian group would start from a single status (member), have an initial vote to determine the club officers and be able to rely on a well-defined process for progressing through the ranks for those who join later and have the inclination to do so. A group needs to be at least capable of fluidity in order to be able to accommodate the inevitable changes in the collective requirements of the membership.

We used to be members of Bristol Corinthian Yacht Club, they've been around since the 1930s and, in common with many small, organic, semi-formal groups, they have a set of documented procedures for easing the flow of people in and out of positions of responsibility.

I'd be quite surprised if there isn't a richesse of sources of templates for setting up and administering online groups, which basically already embody a set of best practices for the task.

The main issue for me is the lack of clarity of objectives and a certain lack of purpose; it seems to have developed more along the lines of “Hey, we could start a club” as opposed to “Hmm, we really need to set up an objective group that can foster users' interests by making supported, canonical pronouncements on best practices in a variety of operational aspects of cryptocurrency” (as an overly verbose example off the top of my head).

I recommend starting with the construction of a manifesto that describes plainly and clearly the aims of the group and what people can expect from membership. We constructed one for us and our clients and found it to be a challenging but ultimately satisfying exercise: http://www.higginsandmacfarlane.net/manifesto

Cheers

Graham

Hi again Graham,

Thanks for being more specific.

That being said, I (as in personally) will not engage in anything that doesn't have my back covered.
I wouldn't expect anyone else to go for it either.
That is why I have suggested some things to the OP and will suggest MANY more to be reviewed as part of the "law".

That being said, whithout knowing to WHO or WHERE my time or money (BTC) is going I will not participate in this.

That means that YES, I expect the ones who would be voted or ranked to the high positions to provide their real life credentials in order for me to participate fully in this.

That information however, I would expect to remain within the group - since if I ever get to a high rank, my details would be available to all members.

Now, as far as having my account hacked or sold I do not know how I can prove to you that I am me.
Any ideas?
Let me know


EDIT: Btw, I have noticed that this thread has somehow sparked your interest.
Wanna join in and help make this as fair as possible?

The pseudonymous account that we engaged with last month could have been sold and be under the ownership of an entirely different person today. This awareness does moderate the degree of my interaction with other bcttalk subscribers.

The rules should state that pseudonyms are unacceptable and that applications for membership will only be considered if a verifiable real world name, address and contact details are provided.

Not that I expect anyone to care but I wouldn't even consider being a member otherwise. We're business professionals so we publish our full contact details and VAT registration number, not just because EU consumer regs specify it but primarily because we respect the intelligence of our clients, current and prospective.

http://minkiz.co
http://www.higginsandmacfarlane.net
http://www.higginsandmacfarlane.com


Cheers

Graham

Join in and find out

Or you can also follow this thread

Care to elaborate Graham?

Drop the pseudonyms.


Cheers

Graham

Looking forward to see what this brings

Well, we can rediscuss that some other time, maybe have someone develop that some day.
We can also use CryptoGraffiti as a temporary solution to the issue

To expand, we can write our own app to do this or use: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptograffiti-block-chain-message-encoder-decoder-524877

I think that getting members to trust the group will be our biggest problem.
So ANYTHING we can do to prove that this is legit, is definitely welcome

Sounds practical
I'll put it up on the temporary rules until we have enough members to dispute on them