Topic: Crypto casino project - bug hunt & feature ideas (Read 487 times)

Id like to see their copyright documentation.
Also I'd like them to prove they're the original developers.

Before those two things happen I wont be continuing this discussion.
It's taking too much of my time. Hope you understand.

I'm no expert on copyright, but I've seen enough to know this is not how it works. It sounds like you're using commercial software as if it's GPL software. That's now how it works. Even if your claim is true, 40% is copyrighted by someone else. And the fact that you based the other 60% on their work isn't allowed either.

Of course it's easier, but that doesn't make it okay.
Why don't you start from scratch? That way you can really call it your own.

Yes, you're basically right, except that Tesla hasn't released the source code for their car for free, as far as I know.  

I came across this cool analogy somewhere: Open source software is like poor man's bread. You can eat it for free as is, or you can add your ham and cheese and sell it as a sandwich. But from what I'm seeing here, it seems like the OP is taking a piece of very old bread, spits on it on both sides, puts some butter on it, and then trying to sell it as a sandwich.  

How can you prove your point if people here are not asking, forget the count-up post he is asking a legit question and his observation, his observation may be right or wrong but this is a forum where there is a flow of discussion to find out the truth.

Then lock this thread you open a discussion, people are posting if there is a poster that you think is out of line then don't answer it and ignore and answer legit questions or posts that are on topic, don't expect us to side on you right away you have to prove your point, we have moderators that will delete posts that are not relevant to the topic.

Again, if 70+ bugs and 10+ new features together with a completely new frontend is "spoilers and rims" then sure.
But honestly to me it seems you don't understand how any of this works and you're just commenting to get your post count up.
You asked about mass producing cars. If you knew how to do that you'd be able to mass produce your own design too. That's my whole point - But I guess you were too lazy to read the thread.


Besides that, if you want to get technical, there is literally no evidence phoenix gambling are the real devs, nor that I used their code other than for frontend.
If I never mentioned using it as a base no one on here would know about it - Don't you think if I wanted to sell a repainted tesla Id keep quiet about it being a tesla?
The "leaked" code was around waaay before their website was up. How do you explain that?

To clear some things up. I've used this code as a base: https://github.com/win5xvue/win5xvue
If this code is really owned by phoenix-gambling how come they couldn't get github to remove this link?
 
I only merely mentioned phoenix gambling in my original post so people would get the idea about the base.

People jump to conclusions too quickly, especially those who have 0 knowledge about the matter.
For that reason I won't be answering any more bs posts on this thread.

So, if I take a Tesla car and I add spoilers and new rims and fancy paint and tinted windows and a new dashboard ...can I say it is now a new model car? Can I then sell that car, if I mass produce it ...or is this car still owned by Tesla?

When I started reading this whole thread, I thought OP created the "base" for this project... but now it looks like he added the spoilers and rims and fancy paint?

Just asking..... 

Thank you for making your message about this not beautiful situation, too, yesterday I looked at github comments from the script developers Adam and Klaus and thought that it was a big mistake to use the script for commercial purposes without having permission from the developers, besides with a possible backdoor. But I would like to make sure that you really are a developer, there are too many layers around a freely distributed script.

I'll say two things and two things only and after that you may be the judge on whether or not I "acknowledged and attributed" to original devs.

First thing being: Whoever bought any code from me knew, in advance - before making a purchase, about original devs and their prices.
Second thing being: I have forwarded two paying customers (and about 40 non paying) to our dear phoenix-gambling instead of selling them my code. Those two people alone raked them more than $4000 in profit.

If that's not enough "acknowledgement" then so be it.
If you want those two people to come here and confirm what I'm saying sure, that's possible too.

Well, there is nothing inherently problematic about that approach, as it is a common practice among developers. However, I do have some reservations about your ethical stance.


The problem is that you seem unwilling to acknowledge and attribute credit to those who rightfully deserve it, while simultaneously attempting to take ownership of something that is not yours. Essentially, this behavior could be considered a form of theft.


While it may indeed be true, but do you not believe that it is equally important to acknowledge and give some credit to the original developers for their work? After all, you are still utilizing their code, correct? Besides, if you believe that people deserve better software, why not adhere to the principles of Open Source and publicly release the source code along with your modifications and bug fixes, just like others do? That is how Open Source should work.

But first phoenix gambling should prove first that he is part of the phoenix-gambling platform https://phoenix-gambling.com/ by doing what LoyceV is asking of him like what @swaga did to his website, this conversation or discussion is useless if he cannot first establish that he is part of the team since he has an accusation against OP.

I believe that you can do create your own original code by yourself given that you have debugged a messy original code. Debugging is kinda annoying and It surely proves that you have skills in coding. I hope that your buyers knows what kind of products they got or hope that they understand what they are buying.

There could be a potential damage to phoenix-gambling if ever there are buyers who showed up here and post their feedbacks. Let's just hope that this situation won't backfire on your end.

That's exactly what's going to happen eventually. I will change the code over time. In the last 4-5 months I've changed 60% of it so I don't see what the big deal is.
Everyone whos ever bought any code from me knew in advance what they were buying. No one sent me a message, paid me money and expected to get 100% custom made casino.

I will, if need be, contact the people who bought real win5x from phoenix gambling and ask them to write their reviews here. I stand behind what I said - Their code is a buggy mess that's not worth $2000 pricetag.
However this is free market and they're free to do so - just like I'm free to use their free version to make my own casino.

In addition to this is that many gambling sites like casinos and sportsbook have forum account which is another way for their gamblers to contact them if there's an issue or problem that a gambler is experiencing on the their site. I won't disagree with you no matter what that Bitcointalk forum is where many people gather sharing experiences, ideas, suggestions and many more. This one is already an example of it where OP planning to start a gambling site and wants us to share some ideas and also hug hunting on OP's website to fix or remove.

I agree, that it is much more easier that you have something on hand to start with like a base code or something but selling it with the hint of the original coder is the one I'm pertaining to. If I'm a buyer and I found my casino that is somehow similar to other casino's and worst than that similar for multiple casino, The gamblers of my casino would certainly notice it given the fact that they might be in trouble for playing on a possible clone or scam casino. This would certainly reflect on me negatively as a buyer of the casino code that you are selling.

People always deserve better especially if they are paying the right price for it but this doesn't mean you can sell the original code with improvements and on a lower prices. A wise buyer do always care for the quality,  originality and the future of the code they are buying. They won't buying something that would bring them trouble such as having a suit case for plagiarism or something about legal right. This is why I suggest to create a new code intended for selling with the custom codes that you have created.

I just feel sorry for the ones who bought the code from phoenix-gambling if you are telling the truth about so many bugs in it.

My original idea was to start with a base and gradually turn it into 100% my own thing. It's much easier to start when you have a base, no matter what it is.
The problem is people in this forum would rather argue. That's fine by me as I know what my final goal is
Their fixation on the fact I managed to sell a couple of these is making it impossible to talk to them about the bigger picture and the point I wanted to make.

People need and deserve better casino software - at least better than what is currently being sold for $2k by you-know-who.

This thread is turning into something.

I think it is ethical to give a credit to the original code creator if you somehow "tweaked" the original version of it even if it's full of bug. I'm not disregarding the 60% of the custom code you added but it will be unfair to the original creator that you have improved it with or without the intention of selling it in the future.

It's just phoenix-gambling had commented on this thread and turn things upside down. I think it would be nice to create a original code with the custom code you have added with their code and getting rid the code and the resemblance of phoenix-gambling, Front-end and back-end wise. This way, The phoenix-gambling can't claim anything that it's from them and your future buyers will have a confidence on what they are buying. Actually this issue will also be an issue to your future buyers given that phoenix-gambling is claiming something and the worst can be a law suit if the casino somehow succeed.

I don't know if you're capable of reading and understanding english so I'll say it again but much slower.

Firstly.
I claimed the version I used as a base had bugs. That is true and if you're tech savy you can check that for yourself. The link to free version is in ph-gambling's first response.
Also, I just happen to know a few guys who bought a legit version of win5x and they themselves said "it's bugged as hell!"
Also also, if you go to original win5x demo site you can find those bugs yourself.

Secondly.
If fixing 70+ bugs and adding 60% custom code is "making a few tweaks" then sure I made a few tweaks.
I plan to market it as my own since it is my own. Given enough code is changed Im allowed to call it my own. If you don't like it i suggest you to click the X in the upper right corner of your browser.

Lastly.
Original creators or not, people who sell win5x sell garbage and they're mad because I took their garbage and fixed it.
I don't sell their work - not even they're able to make a living selling it 

So my suggestion is to calm down and go do something productive instead of writing a load of chatgpt assisted replies on here.

You are such a fraud! How can you say that their product contains "serious bugs" if you have never bought or used their script? As far as I can see, the version of the script in question was never intended for public use or selling, as clearly stated in their Github repo.

Let's face it - You've taken someone else's product, made a few tweaks (supposedly), and tried to resell it. And now plan to market it as your own with a new frontend. But the thing is, you have no legitimate right to do so. On top of that, it seems like you have no problem slinging mud at the original developer.

It's pretty low to attack the original creator of the product you're essentially copying without any legal right to it. Instead of resorting to such underhanded tactics, why not invest your time and resources in developing your unique product that doesn't rely on copying someone else's hard work?

With this, I apologize but its good that you come down here to settle this concern right now the burden of proof is on phoenix-gambling to prove that the script you are using comes from their platform and you are reselling it but I guess account phoenix-gambling must prove first that he is the representative of Phoenix gambling, there are so many issues coming up I guess its time for all parties concern to show all proofs that the said script is their property and they own the rights.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and clarifying the ownership of the demo script. Online. This will help many of us protect ourselves from getting scammed by this scammer. As for bugs and features, it's always beneficial to get feedback from users to improve the overall experience.

As I said before, I never purchased anything from phoenix gambling. Work similar to theirs served as a base for my script and if you compared those two you simply wouldnt be able to call them the same.
I recognize their right to sell it exclusively so I'm taking proper action by changing the frontend of my script since its the only indicator I'm selling their product - Im confident to say, code wise, mine is better.

Can you confirm you are who you say you are by posting your Bitcointalk username in https://phoenix-gambling.com/Bitcointalk.txt ?

Dear phoenix gambling.

Thank you for a reply.
I do not use your name in attempts to boost sales. Actually, I strongly believe using your name would, in fact, decrease my sales.

My product only merely resembles yours, frontend wise, and Im assuring you once that matter is dealt with there wont be any room left for putting two of our scripts in the same box.
For example, your product doesnt feature crash. What it does feature is several serious bugs - a product that retails at $2000 should not have those.
I would let you audit my work to make sure it differs from yours but Im certain you would simply take it and use it as your own.

That being said, please do not waste your money on trying to take legal action as you have no grounds for it.
Cheers.

Thank you for coming down here and clarifying and verifying that you are the real owner of the script, I call this abuse, once we bought or subscribe from one software or script seller we should read the terms and abide by the terms set up by the seller @swaga should adhere to the advice of the seller of the script.
You are calling someone for abuse but you yourself abuse your limited use of the script you bought, you need to address this issue.

Dear swaga,

It has come to our attention that you are attempting to sell a script online without the proper license or permission from us, the original author. This is a serious offense and can have legal consequences.

Firstly, as you may already know, even if you purchased a license for our script, you are only allowed to use it for one domain name. Using the script for multiple domains without proper authorization is a violation of the license agreement. Any domain found to be using our scripts illegally will be reported to the relevant authorities and face legal sanctions.

It is important to recognize that you have no rights to resell this software without proper authorization. The official sales website (https://phoenix-gambling.com/) should be the only source for purchasing the script, and any reselling without authorization is illegal.

While you may have the right to sell your derivative work based on the script, such as bug fixes or new features, you must have written permission or a license from the original author allowing you to do so. Without proper authorization, reselling the script is illegal and can lead to serious consequences.
Moreover, scripts that are resold on the web often contain backdoors, which can cause harm to users and their websites. It is important to ensure that the script is legitimate and free of any malicious code before attempting to use it.

You can continue to use the win5x-1.5 script for your personal needs and as a learning material, but you have no right to resell it or use our name for your personal gain. The script is available on our GitHub repository free-of-charge for anyone, in its current form, as-is: https://github.com/Win5X-Team/win5x-1.5

Our development team has released an official statement regarding this matter. Please find it below.



In conclusion, I urge you to reconsider your actions and seek proper authorization before attempting to modify or resell any of our scripts. Let us all work together to maintain the integrity and legality of software reselling practices. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely,
Phoenix Gambling

This is not for myself as I am not going to hunt a bugs in your site but someone might doing it and I am asking this question on behalf of them. Since the title is buh hunt then my question is, do you paid those who find bugs in your site?. As I mention in my previous post that casinos before started a bug bounty where they let people in this forum to find or hunt bugs and then they will get paid for it and the payment depends on the bug difficulty if I put it like that. Are you going to pay them?. If yes, then this is most likely a bug bounty +  feature ideas and don't worry mate because there's nothing wrong doing it. Just asking if you are going to pay them if they found bugs. You haven't answered this so let me ask again.

Current bugs are trivial compared to what I had to deal with at the beginning. I'm not asking anyone to do a pen test or spend 10 hours clicking random buttons just to replicate a visual bug.
I'm simply asking for a favor - It's not with intent to raise the price once the bugs are fixed. Base price will stay $200 forever. Only when I'm done with new frontend will I charge more for that version - Again, basic version will always be $200.

    -   I don't think you are wrong to ask about things like that OP because there are many communities here who have been on the forum for a long time and can help with the answer you are looking for.

I also think that you can improve your website platform even more to get more community gamblers in this forum for sure in the future.

I've left you neutral feedback confirming ownership of the site.

You should use the feedback system yourself to leave negative feedback to Kostelooscoin.

I'm quoting Kostelooscoin's post here, to use this post as a Reference for my negative feedback:

Adding something to the footer of a website I think is evidence enough that he has access to the website and could edit it fully. The roles could be different but one thing is for sure, it's his. It's more than enough to be evidence for sure. I'm just curious with what you said. Is there a way to even put it and not think of anything else rather than being owner or having access to the website?

And so you have a thread for the sale of this site, and you create a thread in parallel where you ask users to help you look for bugs and donators only so that you later increase the sale price, or do you mean something else, some kind of strange approach doesn't it seem so to you?

Yes, and finding out and learning about a solution to a problem can indeed be found in several threads listed on this forum.
Maybe there are some casinos that have bug bounties, but there don't seem to be many and we can look for all this information if we really want to find out.
Actually the casino has given the best regarding their features and always appreciates every gambler who manages to notify that the casino has a bug problem.
But what's a little unfortunate is that there are some casinos that don't really care about the bug reports that are happening.

Well, you found the right forum or community for that purpose. Before, there are casinos that have bug bounty where the casino pay their hunters if they found one. This time I didn't find much like that but I do see that there are some asking for suggestions or recommendations on what their casino should be and many of us did help or give suggestions to what many gamblers want in a casino. As for bug bounty, it is more less jn my opinion as I have explained, I didn't notice much like it.

Just to clarify, adding his profile link to the website footer isn't a conclusive evidence that he is the original owner of the website!
I am not saying that he isn't, though.
If you check OP's post history you will find that he created a topic (non edited) offering to sell this script four months ago! This added to above is more than enough evidence,imo, to conclude that he is indeed the original owner of demonscript.online

I don't use this forum actively. I found his thread today - by accident.
That being said I used this community alert as an opportunity to also ask other users for advice regarding bugs / new features.

I don't want to advertise that I sell the script - I only want to hear from others on how to improve it... so this section of the forum seems fitting.

It ends here,  that is one of the ways to prove ownership it's about time that OP create a scam accusation to avoid others from falling into the scammer's trap but I wonder why now after more than a month have you not noticed that there is an existing thread about your site checking your info, you did log in all those times that the thread is active.
Since you claim ownership I need not question your legitimacy in claiming the site.

Yes I am aware and that happen 4 minutes earlier from my post. I didn't bother to edit my post that I know op proved that he own the domain. Actually, after I posted it I checked the domain and click the Bitcointalk on op's domain and redirected to OP's profile. I should have edited my post that I am aware of op proving that the domain is owned by OP. Thanks for pointing that out but I already know it after op posted it "Added to footer".

He's already proved that he's the owner of the site... check it out. There is a link to his bitcointalk profile at the footer of the website. I think this makes his story believable that someone is trying to impersonate and profit out of his work.

It would be interesting to hear what the other person (Kostelooscoin) says.

The first thing that I will do if I found someone is selling my site is create a disclaimer you already did this by posting this on your chat with your telegram but this is a chat, any member can post here it should be a dedicated page or you can create a redirection in your Cpanel to any platform that claims ownership of your platform like here in Bitcointalk
or if you are fizz off you can shut down the site you have full control, you can claim ownership in many ways

If you want the other person to be proven fraud or not the real owner of the website then you should just create a thread or you can just use this thread to provide proof of ownership of the domain. One of the things you can do is to make an edit on the domain you mentioned that you own like adding a text on the homepage like your Bitcointalk username or even signed message and then add it on the homepage then that will surely prove the ownership. Are you goig to pay those bug hunters if they found one?. Just asking.

Added to footer.

Can you write your Bitcointalk username in demoscript.online/bitcointalk.txt?

Bug hunting might requires some payment since other site are doing this with a pay and usually they are hosting it after their having their own official ANN Thread, so if this gambling site is already live better to have a good thread instead.

Anyway, haven’t tried clicking the site yet do I need to register first before I can try the site?

Right here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/new-casino-btc-game-development-5433609

I will keep in mind what you said.
I already work for nearly nothing so I don't want a random guy to scam / make money on my behalf.

It is easy to prove that you are the owner of a website. All you need to do is make some unique edits to the homepage or add a link to your Bitcointalk profile in the footer. Alternatively, you can upload a custom text file to your hosting server and share the link with others.

By the way, I couldn't find the discussion you mentioned where he claims to own the website.

Hello everyone.

User "Kostelooscoin" made a post claiming he was the owner of demoscript.online website.
Im writing this post to say that's untrue (he will scam you if you send him your money) and also to explain why I am (the real owner of that website) working on it.

Firstly. The casino you can see on the demo website was made using a free version (some call it leaked but it's actually a free version published by Isaac Kohen) of Win5x casino.
I've been fixing and upgrading the free version since August 2022 and at one point I even started selling it for dirt cheap to motivate myself to keep going and to be able to pay others to help me a bit.
I've fixed over 70 bugs and added over 10 new features so far.
I have also designed a new frontend for the script (https://i.imgur.com/O6eEolf.jpg) that should be ready in a month or so.

My plan is to fix all the bugs the free version has and for that to happen I need your help.
Please check the demo website and reply with all the bugs you find. Also add any features you'd like to see on a crypto casino.  


Why I'm doing all this:
I dislike phoenix gambling, simple as that. They sell bugged garbage for $2000 and I think people deserve something better even if it means underselling my own work.
BTW If you think my work is worth more you're always free to tip me

Why I'm selling something that has bugs in it:
I give all updates for free so everyone who bought anything from me will have the finished product sooner or later