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legendary
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June 24, 2021, 04:40:35 PM
These are different questions. The casino can be legal and operate only with crypto. Or the casino can be illegal and work only with fiat. Therefore, if this is important to you, you should clarify both of these issues separately.
Unfortunately, I see that in recent years almost all casinos become legal in one way or another and the meaning of using cryptocurrencies is lost.
Those gambling site who have their licensed are probably under the rules of government and a specific country is their regulating body which dictates them all the rules and regulations when it comes to gambling. KYC was being asked on many site because it is one of the requirements for anti money londering. If you are not ok with KYC, there's still an option for you and I hope that we can still have that option in the future since many gamblers still prefer to remain anonymous.

I see trends that indicate that all companies in one way or another will be tightly controlled by governments. If you remember the Internet at the dawn of its creation, or at least 15 years ago, you should remember that before there was much more freedom. Now freedom is shrinking and crypto will also come under the control of governments. The only thing I hope for is decentralized applications (including for gambling), because in this case the government will not have the power to control the enterprise due to the lack of a main node.
sr. member
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June 24, 2021, 04:37:38 PM
But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
That's what I know too but they could ask for it as a mandatory requirement if they want to. But as such, if it's crypto casinos, they're not really mandated to ask for a KYC.
Unless conditions has hit a certain person and he's required to do so.
When we do read up on most gambling sites nowadays specially into their terms and conditions then you would eventually read up that they would might ask out some personal verification if they do saw something illegal or shady towards our gambling activity.

You would really be able to read in most gambling site terms and conditions this is why that dont get surprised that they would be asking out something
but if you do play without any things get involved or being shady then i dont see that you should be worried.

These platforms are regulated which its not surprising that they are abiding some laws and regulations too whenever there are some circumstances which would really provoke out those kind of personal verification if needed.
Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.
They knew something into their selves why they're asked for but if they're clean, they just have to prove themselves unless the casino believes their reasoning or else, there's nothing we can do but it's either be obedient or your balance gets stuck.
It cant really just be avoided to have in mind on why you would need to comply something if you arent doing something shady with your gambling?

This is where casino legitimacy would matter the most because you can somewhat ensure that you've been dealing with legit things rather than on complying into something which you dont even know if they were legit on the first place.

You would need to comply or else those funds would really be locked.So its a matter of choice.
hero member
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June 24, 2021, 01:24:40 PM
But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
That's what I know too but they could ask for it as a mandatory requirement if they want to. But as such, if it's crypto casinos, they're not really mandated to ask for a KYC.
Unless conditions has hit a certain person and he's required to do so.
When we do read up on most gambling sites nowadays specially into their terms and conditions then you would eventually read up that they would might ask out some personal verification if they do saw something illegal or shady towards our gambling activity.

You would really be able to read in most gambling site terms and conditions this is why that dont get surprised that they would be asking out something
but if you do play without any things get involved or being shady then i dont see that you should be worried.

These platforms are regulated which its not surprising that they are abiding some laws and regulations too whenever there are some circumstances which would really provoke out those kind of personal verification if needed.
Yes, you shouldn't be surprised when they ask but most of them too are not really pushing that as long as the user is clean. And those users that have been asked for it.
They knew something into their selves why they're asked for but if they're clean, they just have to prove themselves unless the casino believes their reasoning or else, there's nothing we can do but it's either be obedient or your balance gets stuck.
legendary
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June 24, 2021, 08:08:39 AM
Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.
That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.
Many casinos are very tolerant when it comes to asking for KYC, they know that if they ask this information to every single one of their clients then soon enough they are going to find themselves without clients as the majority of the people in this market care about their privacy, this is why you should not worry that much about this, however if you play with a big amount of money then you should prepare yourself and accept that sooner or later you will have to go through it especially if you win a significant amount of money.
Yes, that is why there will be a casino that still accept the member without asking about KYC. But they can limit the withdrawal amount for their members and if their members want to increase the limit, they need to do KYC. I think that is a fair thing from the casino as the casino does not want to break the regulation. A gambler itself needs to know about themselves and not using too big money if they do not want doing KYC. I think the casino want to help the gambler to control themselves but sometimes, a gambler itself want to break the limit.

I think the big central problem is in the following:

1 - casino owners are anonymous

2 - casino employees are anonymous

3 - casinos do not say where and how they keep people's documents

So why should people submit documents to anonymous people's websites?
legendary
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June 24, 2021, 05:14:45 AM
I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

These are different questions. The casino can be legal and operate only with crypto. Or the casino can be illegal and work only with fiat. Therefore, if this is important to you, you should clarify both of these issues separately.
Unfortunately, I see that in recent years almost all casinos become legal in one way or another and the meaning of using cryptocurrencies is lost.
hero member
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June 24, 2021, 05:05:18 AM
Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.
That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.
Many casinos are very tolerant when it comes to asking for KYC, they know that if they ask this information to every single one of their clients then soon enough they are going to find themselves without clients as the majority of the people in this market care about their privacy, this is why you should not worry that much about this, however if you play with a big amount of money then you should prepare yourself and accept that sooner or later you will have to go through it especially if you win a significant amount of money.
Yes, that is why there will be a casino that still accept the member without asking about KYC. But they can limit the withdrawal amount for their members and if their members want to increase the limit, they need to do KYC. I think that is a fair thing from the casino as the casino does not want to break the regulation. A gambler itself needs to know about themselves and not using too big money if they do not want doing KYC. I think the casino want to help the gambler to control themselves but sometimes, a gambler itself want to break the limit.
hero member
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DGbet.fun - Crypto Sportsbook
June 23, 2021, 06:31:09 PM
But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
That's what I know too but they could ask for it as a mandatory requirement if they want to. But as such, if it's crypto casinos, they're not really mandated to ask for a KYC.
Unless conditions has hit a certain person and he's required to do so.
When we do read up on most gambling sites nowadays specially into their terms and conditions then you would eventually read up that they would might ask out some personal verification if they do saw something illegal or shady towards our gambling activity.

You would really be able to read in most gambling site terms and conditions this is why that dont get surprised that they would be asking out something
but if you do play without any things get involved or being shady then i dont see that you should be worried.

These platforms are regulated which its not surprising that they are abiding some laws and regulations too whenever there are some circumstances which would really provoke out those kind of personal verification if needed.
hero member
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Top Crypto Casino
June 23, 2021, 06:21:36 PM
But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
That's what I know too but they could ask for it as a mandatory requirement if they want to. But as such, if it's crypto casinos, they're not really mandated to ask for a KYC.
Unless conditions has hit a certain person and he's required to do so.
hero member
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June 23, 2021, 04:15:35 PM
But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

I think those casinos that say they have a license are regulated by the government.

Is this Curacao gambling license doe not fall on the justification?
https://fastoffshore.com/what-we-do/packaged-services/curacao-gaming-license/
legendary
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June 23, 2021, 03:29:46 PM
I am totally against going through the KYC procedure in an online casino with a cryptocurrency! 

When I play in a casino, I want to remain anonymous.  When I conduct cryptocurrency transactions, I also want to remain anonymous.  I don't trust the casino staff. 

Most of them are employees.  They can be fired.  They can ruin their relationship with the casino administration.  They can be dishonest people with criminal inclinations. 

As a result, my personal data will end up on the darknet.  This is absolutely unacceptable!
While what you said is understandable as I think it is the most common posture here in the forum we need to understand that even if casinos want to please their customers they also need to comply with the law, it is because of this that if a player earns a lot of money in a casino it seems natural to ask for KYC just to see that everything is in order, however if a casino ask for KYC verification to everyone that plays there after some time then this is without a doubt a policy I will not support.
legendary
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June 21, 2021, 04:42:55 PM
But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation.

I don't know this. What crypto-casinos is currently under direct regulation by the government?

For now, only online fiat casinos are mandated by the government, not crypto-casinos, at most.

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
hero member
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Dimon69
June 21, 2021, 11:14:10 AM
I am totally against going through the KYC procedure in an online casino with a cryptocurrency! 

When I play in a casino, I want to remain anonymous.  When I conduct cryptocurrency transactions, I also want to remain anonymous.  I don't trust the casino staff. 

Most of them are employees.  They can be fired.  They can ruin their relationship with the casino administration.  They can be dishonest people with criminal inclinations. 

As a result, my personal data will end up on the darknet.  This is absolutely unacceptable!
As long as there are casinos who will not require KYC then it's fine. But some government rules where to strict now in crypto operations that some websites like gambling casinos requires it too for their permits operation. As long as the casino have good rating and provide better service there is nothing to worry about. Just keep on having security in your accounts.
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June 21, 2021, 06:46:44 AM
The risk associated with online casino KYC is the major reason there is a rise in decentralized casinos in the crypto casino market today, many online casino players don’t feel safe giving their details to a third party.
legendary
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June 21, 2021, 06:31:28 AM
That is just a hope which may be happening. But you are right, and if we do not like the regulated casino, we can search for the other casino which is not used KYC or send our document to them. If you want to stay at that casino and are okay to send your document to them, make sure you join the recommended gambling site and stay away from the suspicious gambling site.

I'm not sure if this is possible, but I hope that with the advent of decentralized powerful, and most importantly cheap blockchains (for example, ETH2), decentralized casinos will appear. Thus, the problem of KYC will be solved since the authorities will not have before them some kind of organization that can be forced to comply with some rules.
hero member
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June 20, 2021, 06:42:21 PM
Nowadays I don't think the type of license matters much anymore. I myself have read that sites of the MGA affiliated are stricter with the KYC, but that it is a one-off. And even if you did, you still have no guarantees. It is best to rely on individual player experience to see what is reliable. some players want to remain anonymous, but that is very difficult now.
But we can still hope that the casino will think about the anonymity of their members and not forcing them to fills KYC. Maybe they can make a new rule on their site that will give a chance for the crypto gambler to play anonymously. The crypto itself offers anonymity and freedom to its user, so I think it might be a casino will still have that option for their members. Maybe the casino will give another compensation to the government that wants to know their customer by paying high taxes for that casino.
That's not possible because regulation has no exemption, casinos do not create a rule that is not in accordance with the regulation, they should be in compliance with it, otherwise, their license will be revoked. If we like to keep playing anonymously, then we should not force ourselves to play in a casino that is already regulated.
That is just a hope which may be happening. But you are right, and if we do not like the regulated casino, we can search for the other casino which is not used KYC or send our document to them. If you want to stay at that casino and are okay to send your document to them, make sure you join the recommended gambling site and stay away from the suspicious gambling site.
legendary
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June 20, 2021, 04:49:46 PM
I am totally against going through the KYC procedure in an online casino with a cryptocurrency! 

When I play in a casino, I want to remain anonymous.  When I conduct cryptocurrency transactions, I also want to remain anonymous.  I don't trust the casino staff. 

Most of them are employees.  They can be fired.  They can ruin their relationship with the casino administration.  They can be dishonest people with criminal inclinations. 

As a result, my personal data will end up on the darknet.  This is absolutely unacceptable!
sr. member
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June 20, 2021, 04:43:04 PM
~snip~

Tbh giving your docs for KYC to crypto casinos is the same as giving docs to crypto exchanges. Nothing bad will happen. For my part, I can offer 2 casinos where I still have not received any KYC: Thunderpick and Stake
I guess it is but still, you need to be careful upon giving your KYC documents especially if a platform that newly created and runs its operation only for a week, that is hard to trust. I don't know if this is the fact now that we must accept if we are using crypto, we should accept that KYC is very common now and expecting that the site that involves money or any financial, it surely need KYC verification.

If there's a way to avoid it then you have a choice, if you don't like it, it's up to you. Pick the right one that you could trust in just a single glance.
legendary
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June 20, 2021, 04:41:17 PM
Easy for them to do that but there's always a risk on their side, that's an identity thief or they might not be able to go after the gambling site if they will file a case once the site is scamming its clients because they are not using their real identity. I don't know if there are still gambling sites that will offer anonymous gambling in the future, because wherever they are, as long as they are regulated, the government would always require them to implement a KYC as that is the standard for every government.
That is another problem that will a gambler face in the future if they decide to use a fake identity in the gambling casino. They hope that they can play gambling without a problem and if they can found a casino that does not require KYC, maybe they will stay at that casino without moving into the other casino. I guess there will still be a casino that does not require the member to fills KYC. I will not have a problem using the casino, which requires KYC but that will be better if we give our identity if we want to withdraw big money more than 1 bitcoin.
Many casinos are very tolerant when it comes to asking for KYC, they know that if they ask this information to every single one of their clients then soon enough they are going to find themselves without clients as the majority of the people in this market care about their privacy, this is why you should not worry that much about this, however if you play with a big amount of money then you should prepare yourself and accept that sooner or later you will have to go through it especially if you win a significant amount of money.
sr. member
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June 19, 2021, 08:06:15 AM
Nowadays I don't think the type of license matters much anymore. I myself have read that sites of the MGA affiliated are stricter with the KYC, but that it is a one-off. And even if you did, you still have no guarantees. It is best to rely on individual player experience to see what is reliable. some players want to remain anonymous, but that is very difficult now.
legendary
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June 20, 2021, 04:35:41 PM
I have 2 questions which I would like everyone to please answer and based on the answers can we can have a clear picture.

1- Would you gamble at a crypto-casino knowing it would ask you for KYC documents before withdrawal?

My opinion: No, because fiat casinos offer much better services, odds, and games so I would never want to do KYC at a crypto casino and if I was going to do it, I would rather play at a fiat casino like bet365. There are countless options of exchanging your Bitcoins to skrill/neteller and deposit to play. I don't think that's a problem for anyone so unless crypto casinos offer better services, I won't play there if KYC is required. On top of everything else, the main reason why crypto was made was to keep ourselves anonymous and if crypto casinos should follow the same path.

If a player cheated the casino by any means, then the casino should just ban the player because asking for KYC is not going to solve the case.


2-  Do you feel safe giving out your KYC to online crypto-casinos?

My opinion: After the documents are sent, they go through a number of people and online casinos keep changing their staff from time to time and in some case, if a staff member knows my address and in case I am a high-roller I would be in some serious trouble because the staff member can track me and even blackmail me to some extent. I am ok with giving my identity to known sites like bet365 or williamhill but I am still not comfortable verifying myself at a lesser-known crypto casino.





Tbh giving your docs for KYC to crypto casinos is the same as giving docs to crypto exchanges. Nothing bad will happen. For my part, I can offer 2 casinos where I still have not received any KYC: Thunderpick and Stake

That's right, and we should not hesitate to do that if we trust the casino we are gambling. We need to ensure that the certain casino is registered so you can go after them if they messed up with your KYC documents, which is a big crime for them.
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