Topic: crypto for the development of local farmers...can.....? - page 2. (Read 536 times)

I will answer very briefly - what is NOW preventing you from doing the same? Buy equipment for money and grow more vegetables using the new technology?
Please - do not forget to tell also how in your model, the farmer FREELY sells as much as he considers necessary, and is it not by chance that other players on the market control this market more than the manufacturer?

If we take a look at the agricultural sector, there does not seem to be any innovations for implementing cryptocurrency yet. We already have cryptocurrencies which are very effective as a type of payment currency. But there is no need to limit it to only the agriculture sector. There is not much that you can do in agriculture with blockchain, I believe.
Perhaps NFT's may be something that can be adopted for people who want to buy certain animals? For example, in Japan, they auction off expensive Kobe beef cows but perhaps you could "reserve" them with an NFT at a young age.

The situation looks a bit different. I'll tell you now, at first it will not seem like a very real story, but if you sit down and think, it will become very realistic.
SHOPPING NETWORKS! I have been working in IT for more than 25 years, and had experience working with retail, agriculture, industry ... So about grocery retail and its impact on agriculture. I, for example,
noticed a very noticeable change in the positioning of large retail chains. If earlier they were consumers in relation to food producers, now they are becoming customers, moreover, customers who already indicate what, how much and at what price they will purchase. Even 10 years ago, agricultural companies could refuse to chains and sell to others. Now the market for food consumption is virtually monopolized, with a change in roles and distribution networks.
And what about the s / s company? And now they are forced to accept the conditions! And where do you sell your crops, in the face of huge competition and price collusion of networks? Nowhere. And not being able to have good equipment is just a consequence of the above - there is no working capital, there is no money to purchase high-quality technologies to increase efficiency and reduce costs, there is no technology - a higher cost price, high cost price means a low margin, and so on. ...

That is ridiculous, in what specific way agriculture would be revolutionized by crypto? all the things mentioned in the quoted posts can be achieved without integrating agriculture with cryptocurrencies.

And I wonder why should the intermediary between direct seller and buyer transaction should be done within cryptocurrencies token? it is surely can be achieved without cryptocurrencies. and sometimes, just by selling out to middlemen will have a bigger profit margin, in some cases.

The number one help would be to connect farmers and buyers together. I know that right now there are middle man that buy the crops from the farmers and put their profit on it and they have costs as well so they put that in as well and we buy from them.

I know this is not how it is, but I just want to put a simple example, a farmer has 1000 kg crop, it costs him 1000 dollars to farm it, then he sells it to some middle men, more like grocery store chains and all, they keep it cool in a truck and take it from him and get to grocery stores and distribute to them all and that costs them another 500 bucks, then they want to put a profit but a little so they do another 500 dollars, now the crops is 2000 dollars.

You are paying 2 bucks for something that cost farmer 1 dollar, and that is why we could use crypto to connect farmers and buyers. Have a farmers token, buy it and give it to farmer, then farmer will use that to buy seed and water and whatever they need, and then they will raise it and send it to you when it is ready so it costs farmers a lot less and they will be able to cover the costs easily while selling you cheaper without a middleman.

I haven't forgotten that in the past few years there have been many ICO projects that have emerged with agricultural concepts but look at it until now none of them have really worked

I don't know where it's wrong, it's just that from what I see projects about algicultural are not very interested

I believe the projects you have mentioned are just there to raised fund and doesn't willingly want to help or develop agriculture. They are just using crypto for their own interest, because I've seen a lot of projects like that. Or, either the support being given to the project by the people/investors and the government or local government to implement their goal is not enough.

But tbh, I think crypto can help agriculture in many different ways. But it can really bring a bigger impact if government uses crypto as a way to develop agriculture. We all know crypto offers a lot of things through the use of blockchain technology. So I have no doubt maybe in the next few years, someone's going to introduce something that will bring amazing changes in agriculture industry using blockchain. One great idea will soon come out unexpectedly.

Technology improved a lot but farming tech didn't improve fast enough. That is the biggest issue, sure there are better tractors and all but most of them are under one companies power and that company doesn't let you fix it so they end up charging a lot, this is US farmers problem and there are technological problems in most nations as well. We need to not only change the way we farm but we need to add a lot more tech to it to make it more efficient. Farmer numbers dropped a lot as well, lands got sold and built new homes on those lands, at least in my nation that is like that. Most farmers kids studied in college and want to get a white collar job too.

So, we have less people, less land, less efficiency. How do we solve this? We need to grow the support for vertical farming, build business around it, and get botanists to become farmers in warehouses instead of lands. Crypto "may" help with blockchain instead of coins directly, but it is not a rush.

And some of those offering the topic "cryptocurrency will save farmers" can explain
1. The main problems of today's farming
2. How exactly (step by step, with an explanation of what will happen, what is the purpose of each step) will this scheme work,
3. what are the key advantages of blockchain, in this case, the farmer will receive (preferably with an example).
It's just that, knowing, for example, the problems of modern farmers in our country, I can say that the only real application of the blockchain is maintaining an inventory of land plots so that they cannot be manipulated. Everything else is just money, and only agricultural technologies.

We do really have lots of project ideas that had surfaced out on the market and some of them are unrealistic ones or something which isnt really necessary for it to be applying some blockchain things yet it would be much simpler if it would be done directly if we do talk about local farming and helping out something in related into their venture which could really be done by fiat directly because blockchain tech isnt
something that only focused on all sorts of things for it to be applied.We should accept that there are certain key areas on which it isnt really needed at all.
Therefore i dont really trust up this kind of set up.

Having some sort of crypto help in any type of business will definitely make it a lot better. Not just because it would help the organizing of the problems and solving them one by one with technology, but it also makes them a lot more popular. Imagine a farm, what do you imagine? Land, dirt, veggies coming out of earth and all that right? Typical farm that you always considered all your life.

Imagine a world where vertical farming gained more fame, you have this big warehouse, no dirt or ground just water so you hydro farm everything, you have 200 lines of layouts that you could grow things with 10 shelves each meaning about 10 cabbage for example on each of them, meaning at once you could grow 20k cabbages all at once. Now this is great right? That's true and it would be profitable after a while however imagine now that you get to NFT all those shelves and lines and how you could profit from them all together at once, you could sell them for a lot of money today and build 2 more warehouses with it, that is the future that crypto promises to every single sector in the world.

It is quite possible. I think all it needs is the right team standing solidly behind it; a team that knows what they really want to do and they show the determination in doing it. What most of these agriculture needs is a good investment and the right people doing what they are supposed to do, and you will see this sector booming.

So, if any team is creating a token, the goal would be for them to get investors who would buy these tokens as a way to invest in agriculture (which I believe is what other projects were all about, even though they failed). With a good plan at this, I believe that it is going to work. And agriculture is one those sectors/businesses that drives a lot of profits, so when played right, it's going to be a huge success and will benefit the investors and the team.

Yeah too bad it's not like that, and I can get you some number on that.
Milk sold directly from the farm, 30cents/l , milk price in chain stores, from 60-1.20, remember it's also VAT.
Wheat is selling right now at 250 euros per ton, the price of flour is at around 80 cents per kilo.
Higher quality pig meat is at 7 euros, if you're going to tell me the cost is 30 cents...

No, stop with these numbers, they are just wrong, at 20x nobody would grow that food in the first place.


What's the point of number 1? Two continents have managed to get out of that situation without any crypto, why would that be a stringent step?  It isn't!


Yeah, too bad you can't turn plastic into fossil fuel cheaply.
First, plastic makes a tiny fraction of oil consumption, second, it's hard as hell to even produce the fuel, and the cost is outweighing the price of crude by an insane margin.
Why do you think nobody is making gasoline out of coal?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-environment-plastic-oil-recycling-idUSKBN2EZ1EF


Nice, now cryptos can get rid of bureaucracy, I'm not even going to ask you why and how this would be possible.

Ok, I heard you. And now the question is - where will the farmer get a cryptocurrency, moreover, a liquid one, where will a supplier of equipment come from, ready to sell equipment for this cryptocurrency? Why can't a farmer buy machinery for money? No money ? How will he get the LIQUID cryptocurrency? You must purchase it! Issuing your own cryptocurrency? And the security? Harvest ? And if crop failure, drought, ...
You must understand that the main problem is the farmer's lack of money, and if he does not have an asset for which he can purchase equipment, no one will give him the equipment! And no matter how many tokens you issue, they will not change the picture - the farmer did not have money and will not appear ..

I think crypto currencies could help farmers to acquire equipments and goods for growing their crops or feeding their animals for a cheaper price. You know in many countries farmers don't have access to equipments such as vehicles (tractors), energy systems (solar, wind), structures (greenhouses), inputs, pesticides and medicines in general produced in their own places, forcing them to pay a very expensive price to import those items, which are necessary to increase the productivity of their farms considerably, while decreasing the effort needed to achieve that.

In part, the price to be paid is too expensive due to bureaucracy imposed by governments in the formal market. If crypto currencies are used, there is a chance part of this price will be reduced, becoming more affordable for every farmers around. However, a specific crypto isn't a must. We can just use an existing one, like bitcoin, for an example.

Ok, I trust your experience and knowledge. Can you outline a simplified diagram here to understand how this might or should work? And we will discuss it in order to understand - will it really help? And is it possible to replace cryptocurrency with something else in such a solution? I'm sure it will be interesting!

In my opinion, a True Cryptocurrency Network that's based on merit could help farmers. Good Ideas could come from honest global participants who have unrestricted/less-restricted access to a decentralized community that is meant for farmer.
The problem with the current world model is the use of unqualified people to help farmers in lots of areas. The system is centralized, ridden with corruption, not very Transparent , not truely based on merit etc...
We can make a difference.

actually, cryptocurrency can applied on many method, the problem is the local know about crypto or just use it as investment. of local use the other crypto as payment or developing their place, im sure it can run properly.
that sector can be great on developing because of who handle it, management will die if they never know to step forward. its good if people who know about crypto and farmer, join and make progress, developing their local business with cryptocurrency

It can be developed but that does not imply that it can be useful. Anyone can create a new coin without any regulation but that needs to be done with a feasible vision with proper hindsight and not a cannabis-induced hallucination.

Like I said, there is a lack of follow-up. Truely there has been many projects that have put in agriculture as a cornerstone and developed only to end up as a shitcoin. Point is that clicking some pictures of a farm or some farmers does not mean they are going to get big. It needs to pitched properly with direct communication between investors and the representative of the farm, report updates about the farms expansion and growth cycles and how the token holders can spend their tokens for their own benefit.

All these things are lacking in almost every ICO based coin that have been launched.

Cryptocurrency will save farmers ... Cryptocurrency will save Venezuela ... Cryptocurrency will save ...
Cryptocurrency will not save anyone! Why doesn't a caterpillar tire or cowrie shells or a microscope save farmers? For the same reason - they cannot help them Cryptocurrency is not a panacea, cryptocurrency is the same financial / technological tool, like many others. It has both advantages and disadvantages. And you just can't help anything simply by taking and adding cryptocurrency there! And therefore, anything will help farmers, but certainly not cryptocurrency. They will be helped by profitable loans, state support will help them, and we ourselves can help them by increasing the consumption of their products by 10-20% ...