THE JKC CRYPTOCOIN POOL IS TESTING.
Registration is open, however the testing mining port is not public.
This allows the JKC community to watch the test.
I will open the public mining ports when the pool is ready.
Topic: CryptoCoin Mine - Goldcoin - page 2. (Read 4216 times)
JKC CryptoCoin Mine:
Returning Soon
Many issues came up when I tried to migrate the PPLNS Database into a PPS database for a smooth transition.
The JKC pool will be coming back as a PPS pool with a fresh database.
As part of an apology to the JKC community, I will run this PPS pool at a 0% fee for a couple of weeks.
The disastrous results of trying to do a inline upgrade have taught me a valuable lesson.
I cannot apologize enough for issues with the JKC pool. I can only hope that my actions when dealing with issues such as uncounted shares and payouts, shows that I take miners concerns seriously.
Returning Soon
Many issues came up when I tried to migrate the PPLNS Database into a PPS database for a smooth transition.
The JKC pool will be coming back as a PPS pool with a fresh database.
As part of an apology to the JKC community, I will run this PPS pool at a 0% fee for a couple of weeks.
The disastrous results of trying to do a inline upgrade have taught me a valuable lesson.
I cannot apologize enough for issues with the JKC pool. I can only hope that my actions when dealing with issues such as uncounted shares and payouts, shows that I take miners concerns seriously.
The JKC mine will be shutdown indefinitly.
More then likely I will be shutting down all the pools.
The pool software has on all the pools has some kind of bug I cannot trace and makes no sense. It usually effects just one account where the shares just stopped getting counted and archived. They just sit in the live share table. There is no rhyme or reason to which accounts get effected. The developer can not duplicate it and says nobody else has the problem. So I guess I must be the idiot that somehow causes random accounts to go haywire.
The new version, well lets just say it is bringing on even more problems.
I will go through and manually pay everybody out.
My apologies to all the miners.
More then likely I will be shutting down all the pools.
The pool software has on all the pools has some kind of bug I cannot trace and makes no sense. It usually effects just one account where the shares just stopped getting counted and archived. They just sit in the live share table. There is no rhyme or reason to which accounts get effected. The developer can not duplicate it and says nobody else has the problem. So I guess I must be the idiot that somehow causes random accounts to go haywire.
The new version, well lets just say it is bringing on even more problems.
I will go through and manually pay everybody out.
My apologies to all the miners.
I have opened up the JKC PPS pool for a paid testing phase.
If all goes well It will just stay up..
If all goes well It will just stay up..
THE JKC POOL IS SHUTDOWN FOR MAINTENANCE. IT WILL BE BACK UP LATER TODAY AS A PPS POOL!!
All the coins owed from the Proportional pool will be paid out by tomorrow at the latest.
All the coins owed from the Proportional pool will be paid out by tomorrow at the latest.
I have a new updated version of the pool software that has the PPS Payout scheme built it along with some other changes and fixes.
I am setting up a test pool now and if all goes well, I should be able to at least switch to the new version on all the pools today or tomorrow.
For the pools where I do not have enough reserve I will run them as RPPS which simply means PPS but payout is delayed until the block is confirmed.I will be moving funds into the crypto coin system to get to pure PPS on all the pools, and well you know what that is like.
There will be a brief interruption (5-10 minutes) of mining when the switch-over takes place. All funds owed in the proportional pool will be transferred to the new PPS pool after the switch over. There will be some manual work involved in this, but I will get it done ASAP right after the switch-over.
I do have an idea however, that might just automate the whole thing. Be assured, you will receive everything!!
The Goldcoin pool will be switched over sometime after block 21000.
I am setting up a test pool now and if all goes well, I should be able to at least switch to the new version on all the pools today or tomorrow.
For the pools where I do not have enough reserve I will run them as RPPS which simply means PPS but payout is delayed until the block is confirmed.I will be moving funds into the crypto coin system to get to pure PPS on all the pools, and well you know what that is like.
There will be a brief interruption (5-10 minutes) of mining when the switch-over takes place. All funds owed in the proportional pool will be transferred to the new PPS pool after the switch over. There will be some manual work involved in this, but I will get it done ASAP right after the switch-over.
I do have an idea however, that might just automate the whole thing. Be assured, you will receive everything!!
The Goldcoin pool will be switched over sometime after block 21000.
There has been some confusion about how PPLNS works. When one starts to mine in a PPLNS pool, payout is delayed, when one stops mining the pool payments continue until PPLNS has run its course. This system was designed awhile back to discourage pool hopping. I do not believe there are many pure proportional pools anymore and almost all run some variation of PPLNS.
This confusion has also caused me to make the decision to convert the pools to PPS (Pay Per Share) only when I convert them, instead of offering PPLNS and PPS.
This page is on:
http://jkc.cryptocoinmine.com/index.php?page=about&action=pplns
http://dgc.cryptocoinmine.com/index.php?page=about&action=pplns
http://gld.cryptocoinmine.com/index.php?page=about&action=pplns
These pages also have a graphic that helps explain it.
Thank you for your Support. The pools have really been picking up and I appreciate it!!!
This confusion has also caused me to make the decision to convert the pools to PPS (Pay Per Share) only when I convert them, instead of offering PPLNS and PPS.
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About PPLNS Payout system, Facts and myths
First of all if talking about PPLNS it is important to understand how it works. PPLNS is short for “Pay Per Last N Shares”. The current proportional reward system is round based. One round is the time between the first share after the last found block and the share which solves a block. PPLNS however means that we no longer consider valid shares of one round but we consider a number N of shares. No matter if they are part of the round or not. The number N is currently for each blockchain twice the difficulty (actually rounded down to an easy to calculate integer value).
Let me illustrate PPLNS using the image below. One round has an arbitrary number of shares which is solely based on sheer luck. On proportional reward system only shares of one round are considered for calculating rewards. However with PPLNS a quite constant number N of shares is considered for calculating rewards. This number N changes only with the difficulty.
As you know the number of shares needed to solve a block within a round is different. Round one and three needed (difficulty * 2) shares to be solved. Round two and four are quite short rounds. There were less than (difficulty * 2) shares nessecary to solve them. Round five however is a very long round which means the pool needed more than (difficulty * 2) shares to solve the block. From this follows that:
Rounds one and three are like proportional rounds. All of your shares from the given round are considered for reward calculations.
For rounds two and four shares from the previous rounds are considered for calculations as well (marked green). In other words: regardless of round boundaries we always consider the last (difficulty * 2) shares. Your portion of the amount of shares is used to calculate your reward.
Round five however is very long. In this round your lowermost shares (within the marked red part) are silently dropped if they are not within the last (difficulty * 2) shares.
Why do we need to switch the reward system at all?
PPLNS favors constant and/or occasional loyal pool members over pool hoppers. As you might have seen each time we find a LTC block the pools hashrate peaks instantly. This is due to pool hoppers starting to mine. They are betting for a “quick win” (like round two above) with low shares per round. If the round exceeds a certain amount of shares they “hop” to another proportional pool which started a new round more recently trying their luck on the other pool. This assures better rewards for pool hoppers over occasional or constant miners which are loyal to their pool. Pool hopping however implies that pool hoppers need to know when a round is started and how much shares are considered for reward. This is very easy with propotional reward system. Using PPLNS this is no longer true. On long rounds (like round five above) the pool hoppers shares won’t be considered for reward calculations in favor of loyal miners. This is due to the fact that pool hoppers only mine on the beginning of rounds. On short and normal rounds pool hoppers won’t loose their shares. But due to the fact that shares from previous rounds from loyal miners are considered twice (or even more often on extremely short rounds) the pool hopper won’t get the same reward as from proportional reward system.
I’m only an occasional miner. Will I loose shares if playing/being offline?
It depends. Even if you are a constant miner you’ll loose shares on very long rounds. On the other hand if you for example stop mining shortly before the end of round three from the image above you’ll be rewarded for round three. If you then start mining on the mid of round five you’ll be rewarded a bit for round four (despite the fact you haven’t submitted any shares as some of your shares from round three are considered for round four as well) and you’ll be fully rewarded for round five (you won’t loose any shares as you “skipped” the “red part” of shares which have been cut off due to the length of the round). The point however is no one (and thus the pool hopper as well) knows when a round ends in advance. Thus you deliberately can’t avoid cut offs. Sometimes you are lucky sometimes your are not. This however levels out over the time for non-hoppers. The important point is, that you as loyal pool member have an advantage over pool hoppers. Even if you are mining only occasionally in order to enjoy the silence within your mining room.
Isn’t it that you as pool operator earn more from PPLNS?
Short answer: No. As a pool operator I’ In fact for a pool operator it doesn’t matter at all which reward system is used. I expect rounds to become a bit longer after PPLNS is activated as the pool hoppers will start to avoid the Pool. Thus revenues for me will be lower. But there were some loyal pool members who clearly stated that they want to get rid of the pool hoppers and I respect their wish. Furthermore I’m too an occasional miner on the Pool as I don’t want the miners to be running at night and from time to time I need them to test new Pool versions on development systems. Thus being a miner like you I like PPLNS better than proportional. But speaking as pool operator there is no difference between the reward systems.
Thanks to g2x3k/Poolx-eu for PPLNS description
First of all if talking about PPLNS it is important to understand how it works. PPLNS is short for “Pay Per Last N Shares”. The current proportional reward system is round based. One round is the time between the first share after the last found block and the share which solves a block. PPLNS however means that we no longer consider valid shares of one round but we consider a number N of shares. No matter if they are part of the round or not. The number N is currently for each blockchain twice the difficulty (actually rounded down to an easy to calculate integer value).
Let me illustrate PPLNS using the image below. One round has an arbitrary number of shares which is solely based on sheer luck. On proportional reward system only shares of one round are considered for calculating rewards. However with PPLNS a quite constant number N of shares is considered for calculating rewards. This number N changes only with the difficulty.
As you know the number of shares needed to solve a block within a round is different. Round one and three needed (difficulty * 2) shares to be solved. Round two and four are quite short rounds. There were less than (difficulty * 2) shares nessecary to solve them. Round five however is a very long round which means the pool needed more than (difficulty * 2) shares to solve the block. From this follows that:
Rounds one and three are like proportional rounds. All of your shares from the given round are considered for reward calculations.
For rounds two and four shares from the previous rounds are considered for calculations as well (marked green). In other words: regardless of round boundaries we always consider the last (difficulty * 2) shares. Your portion of the amount of shares is used to calculate your reward.
Round five however is very long. In this round your lowermost shares (within the marked red part) are silently dropped if they are not within the last (difficulty * 2) shares.
Why do we need to switch the reward system at all?
PPLNS favors constant and/or occasional loyal pool members over pool hoppers. As you might have seen each time we find a LTC block the pools hashrate peaks instantly. This is due to pool hoppers starting to mine. They are betting for a “quick win” (like round two above) with low shares per round. If the round exceeds a certain amount of shares they “hop” to another proportional pool which started a new round more recently trying their luck on the other pool. This assures better rewards for pool hoppers over occasional or constant miners which are loyal to their pool. Pool hopping however implies that pool hoppers need to know when a round is started and how much shares are considered for reward. This is very easy with propotional reward system. Using PPLNS this is no longer true. On long rounds (like round five above) the pool hoppers shares won’t be considered for reward calculations in favor of loyal miners. This is due to the fact that pool hoppers only mine on the beginning of rounds. On short and normal rounds pool hoppers won’t loose their shares. But due to the fact that shares from previous rounds from loyal miners are considered twice (or even more often on extremely short rounds) the pool hopper won’t get the same reward as from proportional reward system.
I’m only an occasional miner. Will I loose shares if playing/being offline?
It depends. Even if you are a constant miner you’ll loose shares on very long rounds. On the other hand if you for example stop mining shortly before the end of round three from the image above you’ll be rewarded for round three. If you then start mining on the mid of round five you’ll be rewarded a bit for round four (despite the fact you haven’t submitted any shares as some of your shares from round three are considered for round four as well) and you’ll be fully rewarded for round five (you won’t loose any shares as you “skipped” the “red part” of shares which have been cut off due to the length of the round). The point however is no one (and thus the pool hopper as well) knows when a round ends in advance. Thus you deliberately can’t avoid cut offs. Sometimes you are lucky sometimes your are not. This however levels out over the time for non-hoppers. The important point is, that you as loyal pool member have an advantage over pool hoppers. Even if you are mining only occasionally in order to enjoy the silence within your mining room.
Isn’t it that you as pool operator earn more from PPLNS?
Short answer: No. As a pool operator I’ In fact for a pool operator it doesn’t matter at all which reward system is used. I expect rounds to become a bit longer after PPLNS is activated as the pool hoppers will start to avoid the Pool. Thus revenues for me will be lower. But there were some loyal pool members who clearly stated that they want to get rid of the pool hoppers and I respect their wish. Furthermore I’m too an occasional miner on the Pool as I don’t want the miners to be running at night and from time to time I need them to test new Pool versions on development systems. Thus being a miner like you I like PPLNS better than proportional. But speaking as pool operator there is no difference between the reward systems.
Thanks to g2x3k/Poolx-eu for PPLNS description
This page is on:
http://jkc.cryptocoinmine.com/index.php?page=about&action=pplns
http://dgc.cryptocoinmine.com/index.php?page=about&action=pplns
http://gld.cryptocoinmine.com/index.php?page=about&action=pplns
These pages also have a graphic that helps explain it.
Thank you for your Support. The pools have really been picking up and I appreciate it!!!
dgc.cryptocoinmine.com
Would start making much more coin for both the miners and CCE, if more people would throw some hash power at it.
It is at 0% fee (for now) and the bigger it gets, the more encouragement I have to get it switched over to PPS.
I have seen people ask about a PPS pool, but I need a large enough reserve of DGC to run that kind of payment system.
Would start making much more coin for both the miners and CCE, if more people would throw some hash power at it.
It is at 0% fee (for now) and the bigger it gets, the more encouragement I have to get it switched over to PPS.
I have seen people ask about a PPS pool, but I need a large enough reserve of DGC to run that kind of payment system.
FYI: I've been mining the pool for about 12 hours now (alot more in the past) and my dashboard and account don't show any recent credits. And the dash shows about 1/2 the shares compared to "pool top hasher" list which matches my CG miner report. The pool has worked great in the past and the block luck fantastic but the dashboard and payout issue may scare away other miners.
The dashboard only shows the shares of the current round. I will get to work on displaying total unpaid shares now.
Payout issues? This is the first I have heard of it. Please tell me what issues you are having so I can fix it.
Dashboard makes alot more sense knowing its per round but I've been mining about 500khs for the past 6 or 7 blocks and don't see any payouts. Is there a certain time of day the server pays out? My miner name is the same as my screen name if you want to check.
edit: seems to be a dash display issue (under work). Pool is still counting my shares. The pool has great luck, just want to be sure I'm not missing out.
you had to say we were having great luck? going on 5 hours without a block now
Come back luck
Update: nice, found one while i was writing this
In response to some of the confusion about the sidebar user stats, I have rearranged the sidebar and labeled it more clearly.
To change the display accounting looks to be as much work as to switch the pools to PPS, so i will work on changing over to PPS instead.
To change the display accounting looks to be as much work as to switch the pools to PPS, so i will work on changing over to PPS instead.
Thanks for making a gldcoin pool!
CryptoCoin Mine now has a Goldcoin Pool!!
gld.cryptocoinmine.com
port 6060 Stratum
port 6339 LP
The pool is a normal 1% pplns pool for now. Please register and create a worker to start mining.
I plan on switching all the pools to PPS, when I feel the pool software I am using (A current and actively developed mmcfe), has been through the bug shake down.
gld.cryptocoinmine.com
port 6060 Stratum
port 6339 LP
The pool is a normal 1% pplns pool for now. Please register and create a worker to start mining.
I plan on switching all the pools to PPS, when I feel the pool software I am using (A current and actively developed mmcfe), has been through the bug shake down.
It's working now
That is great.Dam stratum log is about 1gb and takes forever to search..
Needless to say after the d/l I cleared it.
Whoo hoo, Block number 2
It's working now
The CryptoCoin Mine Digitalcoin pool is now up with the new software base
dgc.cryptocoinmine.com
port 7070 for stratum
port 7339 for LP
You will need to re-register as the database structure is different, and much more efficient, then the old database.
I am offering 0% pool fee till Wednesday 06/12/2013. If response is high enough I may extend it.
I will lower the confirms on the Digitalcoin pool as soon as I have enough reserve built up or bought.
(On that note, I am looking to buy a "bulk" amount of DGC, just shoot me a PM.)
I want to really test out this software base before I make a major change to the payout system. Both pools will remain PPLNS for now, until I am comfortable with changing them over to PPS.
dgc.cryptocoinmine.com
port 7070 for stratum
port 7339 for LP
You will need to re-register as the database structure is different, and much more efficient, then the old database.
I am offering 0% pool fee till Wednesday 06/12/2013. If response is high enough I may extend it.
I will lower the confirms on the Digitalcoin pool as soon as I have enough reserve built up or bought.
(On that note, I am looking to buy a "bulk" amount of DGC, just shoot me a PM.)I want to really test out this software base before I make a major change to the payout system. Both pools will remain PPLNS for now, until I am comfortable with changing them over to PPS.
I get pool 0 json stratum auth failed
I am d/l the stratum log now. Lets continue this on the CCM thread as not to take this thread off topic.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptocoin-mine-goldcoin-215642
Wierd,
Yes i registered workers, i will try to move one of the machines at my office, maybe a firewall issue here at home.
UPDATE: Yup that worked.... Verizon must be blocking 7070 for some reason. Will set up another proxy and throw some hashes your way.
Yes i registered workers, i will try to move one of the machines at my office, maybe a firewall issue here at home.
UPDATE: Yup that worked.... Verizon must be blocking 7070 for some reason. Will set up another proxy and throw some hashes your way.
Thank You!!
It is very much appreciated.
Wierd,
Yes i registered workers, i will try to move one of the machines at my office, maybe a firewall issue here at home.
UPDATE: Yup that worked.... Verizon must be blocking 7070 for some reason. Will set up another proxy and throw some hashes your way.
Yes i registered workers, i will try to move one of the machines at my office, maybe a firewall issue here at home.
UPDATE: Yup that worked.... Verizon must be blocking 7070 for some reason. Will set up another proxy and throw some hashes your way.
Good to see your pool back online.
I am very confident in the new software base. It is almost a complete rewrite of mmcFE and is actively being developed.
The database structure is close to half the size of the original, and the code is much cleaner and compact.
I found it out of frustration in trying to follow the original code and figure out where the bug was occurring. PHP is not one of my primary programming languages, although I do understand it and can make modifications, I would not want to write a whole site from scratch.
Anyway, I am determined to make CCM work as I believe it is the best way to fund CCE without resorting to advertising or offering premium services for a fee.
Can't connect on the listed port doe stratum, 7070
Hmm, that’s odd. I just switched the rig I am using with that pool to the stratum port and it worked.
Code:
cgminer version 2.11.2 - Started: [2013-06-08 14:56:38]
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(5s):1.118M (avg):1.133Mh/s | Q:1169 A:3061 R:21 HW:0 E:262% U:16.1/m
ST: 2 SS: 0 DW: 177 NB: 576 LW: 5078 GF: 0 RF: 0
Connected to dgc.cryptocoinmine.com diff 64 with stratum as user xxxxxxx
Block: 31ecfcd6c70e18bd... Diff:229K Started: [18:07:00] Best share: 2.18M
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[P]ool management [G]PU management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
GPU 0: 71.5C 75% | 376.9K/376.8Kh/s | A:1034 R: 4 HW:0 U: 5.43/m I:15
GPU 1: 65.5C 75% | 374.2K/375.2Kh/s | A: 966 R:10 HW:0 U: 5.07/m I:15
GPU 2: 64.0C 3719RPM | 381.8K/382.0Kh/s | A:1061 R: 7 HW:0 U: 5.57/m I:15
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0: Enabled Alive Priority 0: http://dgc.cryptocoinmine.com:7070 User:xxxxx
1: Enabled Alive Priority 1: http://dgc.cryptocoinmine.com:7339 User:xxxxx
Current pool management strategy: Failover
[F]ailover only disabled
[A]dd pool [R]emove pool [D]isable pool [E]nable pool
[C]hange management strategy [S]witch pool [I]nformation
Or press any other key to continue
Select pool number:
Have you registered a worker? http://dgc.cryptocoinmine.com/index.php?page=account&action=workers
Perhaps we should take this over to the https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptocoin-mine-goldcoin-215642 thread.
I would rather not take this thread off topic.
The majority of my rigs are 6950's with about half with shaders unlocked (6970).
I use config files vs command line, but it looks like I have mine at 256.
Scrypt really needs to be tuned for your system, there is really no one answer that works best for all set-ups. Just try different work size settings (64,128,256) and see what works best for you. Much of it depends on how much time one has to tinker with settings to get them just right for their rig. As you can see I just use the shaders option as I just do not have the time to tweak the concurrency directly. (though the shaders value for card 1 is tweaked a bit).
For example miner-2: (1 unlocked 6950 and 2 normal 6950)
I use config files vs command line, but it looks like I have mine at 256.
Scrypt really needs to be tuned for your system, there is really no one answer that works best for all set-ups. Just try different work size settings (64,128,256) and see what works best for you. Much of it depends on how much time one has to tinker with settings to get them just right for their rig. As you can see I just use the shaders option as I just do not have the time to tweak the concurrency directly. (though the shaders value for card 1 is tweaked a bit).
For example miner-2: (1 unlocked 6950 and 2 normal 6950)
Code:
{
"pools" : [
{
"url" : "http://dgc.cryptocoinmine.com:7070",
"user" : "xxxxxx",
"pass" : "xxxxxx"
}
]
,
"intensity" : "15",
"vectors" : "2",
"worksize" : "256",
"kernel" : "scrypt",
"lookup-gap" : "2",
"thread-concurrency" : "0",
"shaders" : "1564,1440,1440",
"gpu-engine" : "850",
"gpu-fan" : "0-75",
"gpu-memclock" : "1300",
"gpu-memdiff" : "0,0,0",
"gpu-powertune" : "0,0,0",
"gpu-vddc" : "0.000,0.000,0.000",
"temp-cutoff" : "95,95,95",
"temp-overheat" : "85,85,85",
"temp-target" : "75,75,75",
"api-port" : "4028",
"expiry" : "120",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"hotplug" : "5",
"log" : "5",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"queue" : "1",
"scan-time" : "60",
"scrypt" : true,
"temp-hysteresis" : "3",
"shares" : "0",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin"
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